Remake


I hate to see movies remade simply for the act of remaking them. However, I think the novel Catch 22 deserves a better film version than the Mike Nichols/Buck Henry production. Though the 1970 film has many highlights I have always felt the film is too murky and unclear in both filmmaking style and in message. Also the film goes from comedy to drama with little in between. Hopefully one day some director choses to remake the work and push it more towards a Dr. Strangelove style of satire.
The film is helped by an all-star cast and I would like to see some of the "Frat Packers" (Vince Vaughn, the Wilson brothers, Will Ferrell, Jack Black, Ben Stiller) in it. I think Vaughn has the deadpan sarcasm and broding charisma to play Yossarian. Vaughn has had great as a dry comedian but is also skilled in dramatic work. I'd also like to see Luke Wilson as the Art Garfunkel part and Owen Wilson as Arfy with Jack Nicholson as Dreedel or Cathcart. I don't know who would direct perhaps someone like David O. Russel or Spike Jonze (though neither seems like a perfect choice).

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I definitely think there should be a remake but i think it should be adapted to suit this generation. Instead of world war 2 it'd be the iraqi war, i think that'll fit perfectly especially since many of the troops are being sent back after already doing their tours of duty (hence the raised flight missions yossarian complains about etc.)


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^no...just no..Making it Iraq just.......well I can't see it... It's a differant war.For a start bomber crews arn't in much danger in Iraq and if they become grunts then it would destroy the point that in the movie or book the Axis troops are never seen which helps convey that it is the top brass who are the real enemy.

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Yeah Yossarian is a bombadier and there are some key scenes that take place in those planes that were flown by like 4 or 5 people.

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Yeah, that seems like a good idea at first, but it really wouldnt work. A huge thing is that Yossarian has to put his life into the hands of people he doesn't trust when he flies a mission.

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Anyone who has read the brilliant book by Joseph Heller (who, IMHO, worte a better book in 'Picture This") knows that the movie script and is a very rough adaptation and the movie is it's own thing. Noone can make a straight script from Catch 22 and Buck Henry essentially wrote a script that very much captures spirit of the book but was it's own thing entirely. This was a brilliant script all by itself and I'm not sure it is altogether different in satirical style than Dr. Strangelove.

As far as the cast, in the historical perspective of when the film was made you couldn't ask for better. Alan Arkin will always be Yossarian to me. Noone has remade this movie because to do so would be immediately seen as trying to cash in on old greats. It'd be like trying to rewrite the bible (no offense to any mormons out there). The cast and directors you suggest would underscore the sycophantic nature of any attempt of such a remake.

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While I am normally against remakes, the book deserves a better adaption than this slightly less that mediocre film. I can see where the original poster was coming from when he/she suggested Vince Vaughn as Yossarian. I was reminded very much of Vaughn when watching Arkin in Catch-22. However, I think that that a remake should not base itself on this film but on the book, and, in my opinion, Arkin did not capture the spirit of Yossarian from the book.

I, for some reason, when reading imagined Yossarian as almost a young Michael Douglas. Obviously Douglas would be too old to play the young bombadier now. I think that it would be best not to choose someone well known to play the lead, and take someone that really doesn't know what the hell is going on in some ways.

I will try to draw up a list of the major cast members, excluding the ones I cannot figure out (like Yossarian), for my dream cast.

Yossarian- ????
Cathcart- Robert Deniro
Danby- Colin Hanks
Nately- Jesse Eisenberg
Doc Daneeka- Woody Allen
Korn- ????
Major Major- Ben Stiller
The Chaplain- Matthew Broderick
Duckett- Renee Zellwegger
Dobbs- ????
Milo- Jack Black
Dreedle- John Goodman
Orr- Will Ferell
Nately's Wh*re- ????

That is as far as I am going to go. I don't now, obviously no one would have enough money to pay all those stars, just my dream cast. Any ideas?

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It's a good film on its own but in reference to the novel it leaves out way too much. I believe the biggest mistake of this movie was leaving out Dunbar, Clevinger, Wintergreen, Chief White Halfoat and Major de Coverly. They should've been in the film because some of the funniest dialogue/scenes are between them, like Yossarian and Dunbar in hospital and the conversation between Clevinger and Yossarian how about he says they're wanting to kill him and Clevinger thinks he's crazy.
To me Yossarian has the biggest connection with Dunbar, so not having Dunbar is a big dissapointment. It would also add to the downfall in the end when also Dunbar gets "dissapeared".

Joseph Heller's story is definately NOT a Ben Stiller-Will Ferell comedy. To me it is NOT a mindless popcorn fest and that's because it's a satire. Sure, it's very funny BUT the subtext is still war so it is also still tragic (after Kid Sampson gets cut in half and McWatt flies into a mountain the whole story becomes dark) and there's NO WAY Stiller & Co could make it work.

What about:

Yossarian: Edward Norton (bulked up as in American History X)

Edward Norton would be excellent. For anyone who has seen Fight Club, he can do dry humour and can act completely hysterical for, for instance, the plane-scenes (the chemical burn, anyone?)

Dreedle: Jack Nicholson

Major ---de Coverly: Malcolm McDowell

Can't think of any more actors right now that would suit the parts but the remake (if there'll be one) should not be a big Hollywood/only famous actor festival.

Well, that's my opinion.

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While I do see your point about Ben Stiller and Will Ferell, I think you are not giving them enough credit. Yes, Ferell would have to play it down a good many notches, but I think he could really play Ore. Ben Stiller I really feel would be a good Major Major. The only problems with either of them, is that they would be very familiar faces in supporting characters, and possibly just have to much star appeal, especially to fans of the Frat Pack and such. I do agree that it should not be a "only famous actor fesitival", and I don't think that the entire cast I said should even be looked into, but individually they are the best actors that I know of for those roles. The catch-22 (no pun intended) of the situation is that most of the actors that I know of, are of course going to be on the more famous scale.

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No, no, no I DO think Ben Stiller and Will Ferell are great comedians (they're very funny on Saturday Night Live etc.), however like you said, they wouldn't be right to do a satire like Catch 22 because it's not just a comedy. Especially the last bit of the book has little comedy.
So what do all you think of Edward Norton though, as Yossarian? I can't think of anyone better to pull off that dry sarcastic kind of humour and I have seen his name mentioned before on threads.
I can't help it but I always pictured Dunbar as Johnny Depp. He's great in those off-beat roles and well, I think it's safe to say Dunbar IS off-beat.
And what about Malcolm McDowell as Major de Coverly? Now, HE would be absolutely perfect!
I also think of Lieutenant Nately as Hayden Christensen (FORGET Star Wars for a second and think of films as Shattered Glass and Life As A House) and well, Jack Nicholson as Dreedle.

Damn it! I've just thrown my whole "no famous actor festival" message out of the window.

Okay, Ed Norton as Yossarian, that's what I''m sure of though.
What do you all think?

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I'm okay with the idea of a remake/revisioning of the book (not a remake of the movie, though). Everyone's had good ideas for casting, but if anyone out there has the power and the desire to make a new "Catch-22," please please please please please do not "update" it for "this generation."

I have a couple of reasons for this.

First, as has been noted, World War II and Iraq are very different wars, fought in very different ways in very different settings. For people who complained about the parts of the book that were eliminated/changed for Nichols's movie, I guarantee that a "modern" "Catch-22" would be virtually unrecognizable. It would be a remake in name only.

Second, the book is as good as it gets when it comes to black comedy. Unfortunately, a lot of the subtext is certain to be lost in the transfer to film, but it is what it is. Again, a "modern" retelling would separate it from the original work so much that aside from characters and a few themes, you might as well do one of those "inspired by" movies.

Third, you're already facing an uphill battle in adapting a work like "Catch-22," and that's if you strive to make it as close to the text as possible. The narrator's voice just wouldn't translate if you tried to strike out and make a "modern" version. And I believe that the text of "Catch-22" is as unique as anything Bukowski or Welsh ever wrote. I wrote my senior thesis for my English degree on a comparison of "Catch-22" and Vonnegut's "Cat's Cradle" (I learned during my research that Heller and Vonnegut had fought in WWII practically together), and I was in particular struck by Heller's writing style in "Catch-22." The sentences are often hundreds of words long, with convoluted asides and intrusive clauses--the overall effect being that by the time you finish the sentence you forgot how it started. It's almost a deliberate obfuscation of the simplest ideas, or a mirror image of the military bureaucracy that is the butt of Heller's novel-length joke. In fact, it's a feat Heller never quite managed successfully again, as books like "Good as Gold," "Something Happened" and "Picture This" never captured that special something that made his debut so striking. I did enjoy "Closing Time," though, if for no other reason than it gave me an opportunity to find out whatever happened to the survivors of "Catch-22."

Fourth--this is the last one, I promise--translating "Catch-22" to modern-day Iraq would be too trendy. We've already got movies like "Jarhead" and "Three Kings," and making "Catch-22" too topical would make it look like the filmmakers were simply fishing for Oscars by making "Catch-22" a political football, not the work of art it should be.

To wrap this up (I didn't intend it to be this long), I've got a four-and-a-halfth reason that refers to earlier discussions about the nature of black comedy. Carol Burnett once said that the definition of comedy is tragedy plus time, and that's why "Catch-22" works. Making it modern would remove much of the humor because it would be too close to reality.

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I agree (as I said in one of my first posts here) that Norton would be great.
As for a screen play, I'm 17, and my life goal is to make this movie. I already started the pre-pre production. I started taking every 'event' in the book and writing it down on a notecard. Next Im going to try and put them all in chronological order, so I can see exactly how all the plots and events connect. I do a few every night, and I'm hoping by the time college begins I can have a VERY rough script drawn up.

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This thread reads like fantasy football taken to movie making. Wouldn't it be great to be able to get a list of you're favorite actors and cast them in ficticious films and bet on the outcome of you're film's gross by looking at what the actors actually make that year, or awards they won, etc? A more lucritive dream maybe to actually make such a website and advertise it on IMDB.

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That... is an amazing idea.

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Paul Rudd could make a great Yossarian.


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Coen Brothers.

Woody Harrelson.

end of thread.

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arse hole.

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The way I see it is that rather than remaking Catch-22 someone should adapt Joseph Heller's second novel "Something Happened". It might be hard, but an independant filmmaker would be able to get a budget and thus do it properly rather than for money.

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This proposed remake of your is one of the worst ideas I have ever heard. Vince Vaughn as Yossarian? I don't know maybe this sounded like a good idea in 2004 but the last decade has not been kind to Vince Vaugn as he is a hack who stars in hack movies. Jack Black, Ben Stiller, Luke and Owen Wilson? Are you out of your damn mind. The original cast was great. Timeless legends like Jon Voight, Alan Arkin, Orsen Wells, Martin Balsam, and Martin Sheen to name a few. Would you replace a legend like Jon Voight with Luke Wilson and call it an improvement? Get your head out of your ass.

Mike Nichols did a great job making a movie, that besides for a few scenes, has aged so well I could believe it was made a few years ago. And I thought the film was very Strangelove style, so i don't know what you mean by pushing towards more of a Strangelove style. Any more Strangelove and it would go past the line of inspired by and into rip off territory. Thank god you don't work in show biz.

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