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Santa is so nasty and non-understanding


Watching this now on CBS. I always hate Santa Claus for a supposedly jolly good guy he sure is so nasty and dismissive of Rudolph, especially in this show. Perhaps he deserves a little coal himself!

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Santa is the worst in this show! He is such a dickhead to poor Rudolph until he needed Rudolph.

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Like most people are to other people in today's society.

"Mama, I'm in with a criminal."

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What is it with our society nowadays? With a bunch of people disliking this special (not the majority most likely) do you think we're becoming overprotective wimps?

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Exactly. That's like a bully picking on the brainy kid until he finds out that she can help him with his homework. This special is just full of wonderful lessons for children!

The more people I meet, the more I get why Jane Goodall spends all of her time with chimps.....

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Well it is the way things work sometimes. Ain't it?

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I've always loved this special, but when I saw it as a kid, I didn't put too much thought into the fact that most of the adult characters were cranky and selfish and thoughtless because I pretty much thought most adults were like that anyway, the rare exception being somebody like Yukon Cornelius, and I hate to say it, but these days I kind of feel as though I was right. I know it's probably not the message they wanted to put across, but I remember as a kid watching this and getting the idea reinforced to me that when the chips are down, there are only going to be just a very few select people you'll be able to count on to stand by you, if you're lucky.

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I don't know if I ever saw it that way.

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hahaha i watched this last night for the first time since i was little, and the whole time i was like, "omg, santa is kind of a DB". actually, almost everyone in the town was. i mean, i know they're supposed to make fun of rudolph, but wow, the writers really didn't hold back.

like when comet (or one of the deer) says "let's not let rudolph join in any reindeer games" i was like what?! i mean, it's one thing for one's peers to be nasty, but when an instructor says something so obviously demented, to a child, that's attention grabbing. i was like...wow. i'm used to my coach's demanding we all get along.

and then when santa was like, gee, rudolph is obviously a prodigy, being as young as he was and able to fly so well, but i'm still not going to put him on my sleigh team. his nose is red. i was like whatt? lol. he exceeds at the job you need him to do, but you're not going to use him...because of something that's completely irrelevant to the job? i could understand if he had a flesh eating disease or something, but wow lol.

did anyone else notice when the elves were excited to show santa their routine, he just wanted to get it over with, and looked bored, and at the end told them that they weren't good enough. that wasn't a very jolly thing to do.

i don't know if it was just the time period, or whether they were really trying to express how removed from society rudolph's nose made him, but it was a little shocking to me lol. put in rudolph's shoes at the end, when asked to guide the sleigh, i probably wouldn't have been a good champ about it like rudolph. i'd be like *beep* you santa", even if they all apologized already.

I'll make it to the moon if I have to crawl <3 RHCP

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I only think Comet was a jerk at all. And I don't think Rudolph would ever say anything like *beep* you Santa", because that's not his character.

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Actually, now that I look back on this, I see Santa's mad outburst at Donner as Santa calling out on Donner for how he was treating his son. You wouldn't like it if you saw something like that, and nor would Santa. And at least Donner realized how bad he was acting despite his good intentions. I feel a lot of people misinterpreted that scene though.

Oh well, it's just a kids' special, and a darn good tootin' one too.

I can understand why you'd feel that at the end.

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worse than that, he wears a dear-stalker hat, and wears it in the first scene he appears in when he visits donner and the baby rudolph, talk about tact-less

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That's a deer-stalker hat? Oh deer! 

But I did read that that type of hat is popular to wear because of Sherlock Holmes, and they must have thought Santa would look cool in that.

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"All of the other reindeer used to laugh and call him names. They never let poor Rudolph join in any reindeer games"

The reindeer are suppose to be mean to Rudolph... a lot of this movie is taken from the song. The whole film is about being a misfit and how misfits can overcome. True to real life - people will make fun of others who are a bit different.

Santa? He's just a grumpy old man that gets his Holly Jollies out of Christmas - but maybe not until that time! Hahaaaaha 





"I am invisible, understand, simply because people refuse to see me." ~ The Invisible Man

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True, but this was Rankin-Bass' first attempt at the big guy. Their later specials showed Santa in a much more positive light. I think they were just focusing on Rudolph and not giving enough thought to who Santa was supposed to be. It's all supposed to be continued, but it's hard to think of this Santa as the same nice guy in Santa Claus is Coming To Town or many other specials. In Rudolph and Frosty's Christmas in July, I think they attempted to explain this discrepancy when he and Mrs. Claus talk about how he gets in a bad mood when it gets close to Christmas Eve.

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That kinda makes sense there, but honestly I think most of Santa's crabbiness (like "That elf song is driving me crazy!") is more for comedic effect. I'm guessing Santa gets in a bad mood close to Christmas Eve because getting ready for Christmas Eve and being an extremely busy man can be very, very stressful (though I heard an "Iron Man" song parody where they said Santa "only had to work one night each year!" ), I actually felt it this year as I've had to work a lot and I didn't even get my tree decorated until just round about an hour ago today. Santa's probably skinny because he took his busy side to an unhealthy degree...

I can see them as the same Santa, to me shows even he's only human despite having his magical powers and sometimes we don't always act, well, perfect. Then again, the two Mrs. Clauses are different...

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No kidding. He was rude and dismissive to his wife and the elves and all but discarded Rudolf as he as saw him! What is the deal?

Santa's a busy man with an extreme responsibity. I get that, but would it have hurt him to be a bit appeciative of the effort everyone else was going to?

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It is because this movie was made in 1964 before snowflakes and safe spaces.

My son and I laughed when Donner told Rudolph that he should be ashamed for having a red nose.

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Wasn't that actually Santa telling Donner he should be ashamed? I laughed at that too when I first saw it, but now that I look back on it, there I believe Santa was calling out Donner for what he did to Rudolph.

Donner was telling Rudolph what he needed was self-respect, just wanted the best for his son, had good intentions but came off as too harsh.

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Well, REAL snowflakes were in (the kind that fall from the sky). Merry Christmas, and happy 55th to this special! AND..
"Have a Holly Jolly Christmas, and in case ya didn't hear/Oh my golly/have a holly jolly/Christ-mas...this year!"

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Well, near the part where Rudolph pulls the sleigh, he does complain about elf songs..

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