luciok says > there´s a lot of little details, like the way he looks and had instant fascination for Zorba, the passive style etc. someone had this impression too or think it´s possible?
All the details you speak of are in you own imagination. The impression I have is that you need help! Hopefully during the past ten years you've been able to get that help.
But talking with friends, nobody seems to see that way...
Your friends don't see things the way you do because the points you presented don't support your conclusions. What your comments suggest is that you don't have a clue about friendship and you lack a clear understanding of what constitutes normal human behavior and interactions.
the movie is about a relation between they too.. but dont seem to me just a ordinary friendship. is more than that. There´s kind of a sensitive way in their interaction, and lot of scenes that show a unusual jealous...
Oh, I see, it's okay to bash straight men. They couldn't possibly have close friendships; they can't be sensitive; or even jealous of each other unless it involves sex. Do you even know how absurd that sounds? No, I guess you wouldn't or you wouldn't think the way you do. If you had suggested they couldn't possibly be gay for those same reasons, all the politically correct types would be in an uproar. Where's the outrage in defense of straight man?
Alan bates is clarely gay in the movie (at least in today´s eyes). Is that a proposital choice? The actor is realy good or really bad? ;)
I'm pretty sure Alan Bates was not gay but this raises a good point. If a gay actor had been cast in that role and was attracted to Anthony Quinn, that might show up in his performance and lead people to think the character was supposed to be gay too. I can see how that might cause a lot of confusion. Movies are make believe but if we have to question every single detail it's a fail. The reverse is also true, if a gay actor is cast opposite a female lead who is his love interest, the lack of attraction would show. Not all of us can pretend away everything and accept things as they are not. Our brains simply won't allow it.
Bate´s character avoid the contact with the widow justifying himself with the phrase "i´m different", but when he decided to curve to the pressure of zorba, the relation with the widow is clarely maternal.
So now if someone says they're different it automatically means they're gay. Nonsense! What I understood him to mean when he said 'I'm different' is that he's not in the habit of having casual, meaningless sex with a random woman even if that's what she wants. Sleeping with miscellaneous women was Zorba's thing; he even said it was a sin for a man to let a woman, who wanted him, sleep alone. Basil also sensed there might be trouble if he took up with the woman all the other men in town wanted. He knew their frustrations would lead to violence. It turns out he was right.
When he finally went to her it was because he was feeling low, defeated, broken. He wanted to be comforted and was beginning to take into consideration some of the things Zorba had been telling him about life.
I´m not homossexual or homofobic, but i find in this film some homossexual conotation (by the way, that´s cool, because at that era put anythinng gay in a movie was almos impossible)
Yeah, you're probably in denial. The things you say reveal more about yourself than you're willing to admit or accept. Why would it be 'cool' to put anything gay in a movie then or now? I'm not saying don't make those movies. I'm sure they have an audience but it doesn't include everyone. What I don't approve of is doing what you're trying to say happened with this movie; sneaking it in. People should be able to opt out of watching things that don't interest them.
If I knew some movie was about gays or had a gay subtext, it would not be on my watch list. I know people may not like hearing that but that is just too bad. There are many other genres I have no interest in seeing and wouldn't appreciate them being slipped into movies either. No one ever calls me a bigot or insensitive when I say I don't like horror movies or westerns or when I say I don't appreciate gratuitous violence or sex in a movie. So get over it!
Woman, man! That's the way it should be Tarzan. [Tarzan and his mate]
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