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Wow, Richard Haydn Didn't Look or Sound Even a Little Japanese!


They'd never get away with that today! Also somewhere along the line someone for reasons unknown to me decided the word "Oriental" was offensive and even Japanese and Chinese are questionable and everyone must say Asian. Apparently "Oriental" was still acceptable in the 1960s.

I guess it's a bad word, I dunno. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/05/13/the-long-history-and-slow-death-of-a-word-used-to-describe-everyone-from-turks-to-the-chinese/

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It's a lot different today.

In the old Charlie Chan movies circa 1940, two white actors played the esteemed detective, Warner Oland and Sydney Toler.

If you ever watched the original Hawaii Five-O or MASH, the same group of actors played "generic Asian". An actor would be Korean one week and Chinese in another episode. I've seen Japanese actors portray Chinese characters.

I think Hollywood subscribed to the notion that all Asians are indistinguishable to Caucasians!

Heck, Elizabeth Taylor played the Egyptian Cleopatra.

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As far as facial appearance and accents are concerned, all Asians are pretty much indistinguishable to Caucasians. There's nothing wrong with that. If I went to China, Korea, Japan, or any other Asian country, chances are that nine out of ten people there, just seeing me and hearing my accent, wouldn't be able to distinguish whether I was an American from Canada or the U.S., an Englishman, a Scotsman, an Irishman, a Welshman, an Australian, a New Zealander, a South African, or, for that matter, a German, a Frenchman, or a Czech. I certainly wouldn't be offended or accuse them of racism if they guessed wrong. And if I were a Caucasian actor working in Japanese or Chinese film and tv, I would have no problem being cast one week as an Englishman and the next week as a Russian.

As for Cleopatra, she was of Macedonian Greek ancestry, so Elizabeth Taylor was perfectly acceptable casting, as was Claudette Colbert in the earlier movie. To have cast an Egyptian actress would have been an inaccuracy.

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Yeah I think some people take it too seriously. Like John Wayne playing Genghis Kahn, Mongolian actors were probably hard to find at the time in Hollywood and even if they found one would they draw an audience and would that also mean the rest of the cast would have to be Mongolian too to avoid contrast?

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If I went to China, Korea, Japan, or any other Asian country, chances are that nine out of ten people there, just seeing me and hearing my accent, wouldn't be able to distinguish whether I was an American from Canada or the U.S., an Englishman, a Scotsman, an Irishman, a Welshman, an Australian, a New Zealander, a South African, or, for that matter, a German, a Frenchman, or a Czech. I certainly wouldn't be offended or accuse them of racism if they guessed wrong.


Excellent point.

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"Also somewhere along the line someone for reasons unknown to me decided the word "Oriental" was offensive"

That started in the 1990s, or at least, that's when I first heard of it. People started saying things like, "Objects are oriental, like an oriental rug, not people." Like all instances of irrational, whiny, moving target, "political correctness," it's utterly absurd. "Oriental" simply means, "from the Orient," which itself means, "from the East" (from the Latin word oriens, which means "east").

There's no rational reason why "Asian" is "politically correct" while "Oriental" is not, since they are both geographical terms.

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And I thank you for that.

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Like all instances of irrational, whiny, moving target, "political correctness," it's utterly absurd.


"'Moving target"? If history has taught us anything, it's that lunacy never rests.

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"Oriental" is just Latin for "Eastern", nothing more. The adjective was first used by Europeans, to whom Turkey, India, and the farther reaches of Asia were in the east. There is absolutely nothing racist about it.

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I wonder who actually became offended by "Oriental". Was it Asians or was it sensitive Western "do-gooders" who want to right all the world's ills by changing definitions?

It's like Latinex. The percentage of Latins who are NOT offended by the term Latinex is small.

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