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what was deanie's mental illness?


i liked the film, but this part always got to me. what was wrong with her? why did she become all crazy after that incident in the water? i think it's probably a dated notion that a woman can go crazy cuz of her sexual angst. she wants bud, but feels guilty about wanting to have sex with him, so guilty that it drives her mad? it's the 60s, maybe people still believed in this medical nonsense, that one can die from a broken heart or just go clinically crazy...whichever comes first. it is the only part of the film that doesn't ring true to me and it's a bit offensive. like a woman's sexuality is dangerious to her own mental health.

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Do you think there was a world before you were born that maybe you don't understand, or are you that one dimensional that you could possibly believe that the ideas you find "offensive" were always offensive? Wait to hear what your Grandkids have to say about the way you lived your life in 2005!

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It's the only part of the film that doesn't (never) worked. I saw it on its initial release. Even then, audiences thought: "Huh? She goes that nuts 'cause she got laid and didn't get married?" Unfortunately, that "part" of the film motivates everything else.

William Inge (wrote the play) was a product of his time in more ways than one. He was a closeted homosexual whose plays almost always involved repressed, forbidden sexuality and their "penalties."

"Splendor in the Grass" is a beautiful, even electrifying film, in places (Barbara Loden's interaction with her father, hinting at incest?). But it was fundamentally flawed then, and now. Sexual "hysteria" is so antiquated a notion as to be laughable. We're not talking sexual psychopathology. We're talking the quaint notion that getting laid out of wedlock (no other explanation for Deanie's degeneration is ever indicated) is sufficient cause for hysterical behavior and institutional confinement. That didn't hold even in the late '20's, in which the story is set. It only held in Inge's sexually hysterical imagination.

But the film and play are brilliantly constructed to utterly ignore that central flaw. Most notably in the direction, cinematography, performances and writing (forget the silly, even then, central premise: there is some magnificent dialogue and character evolution here).

By the time Deanie (Natalie Wood), after her release from the mental institution, visits Bud and Angelina Stamper (Warren Beatty and Zorah Lampert), the emotional undertow is magnificent and wrenching.

It's just that the core of the piece is constructed around an adolescent, conformist, inexperienced sexuality and acquiescence to social repression and convention that was childish even then -- as critics of Inge have remarked of virtually all his plays.

Still splendid, though.

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The ending is so sad and just like real life. Time has passed, both Bud and Deanie are older, perhaps a little wiser and a touch wistful coming to terms with their romantic history. When they discuss the irony of dreams versus reality ...gets me everytime. I remember my "first love". I need a tissue STAT!

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It seems so unbelievable and unrealistic in some ways. Especially when a bit of liberation had occured with the roaring 20s and the flappers and all. (And not just drunk floozies.)

I mean sex is goooood and healthy and important; but didn't their lives have other facets, activities, goals, and ambitions to balance out the horomones? Your life is just beginning when you're 18, it's not the culmination.

I understand being young (it wasn't THAT long ago) and also the intensity of passion when you're in love. Your perceptions are very different with that limited experience, and the world seems to revolve around you and your desire.

But the young couple didn't seem to get any advice that was helpful in any way. That was the most horrible part to me. Kids always need guidance and reassurance. There didn't seem to be one healthy character in the community.

And there was no reason in the '20s or the '60s or now to believe life is over beyond youth. You can have splendor in the grass at any age. We carry our ideals throughout our life (we better hope so, anyway); and yes, experience changes our outlook, invites cynacism, and allows us to learn and keep enriching our own story. Despite the ongoing WORSHIP of YOUTH in the US. Get over it people. Who wants Barbie to be the ideal? I mean she was always plastic to begin with. We're HUMANS--let's celebrate that!

And wow, we sure have swung to the other extreme in sexual hysteria, haven't we?

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She told her mother she didn't want to eat and just wanted to die. It was depression.

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Actually she did NOT get laid--that is a crucial plot point. Whether it makes sense in terms of actual psychology or not, her breakdown seems to be based at least in part on her repression of her sexuality, she doesn't have sex with Bud because she is a "good" girl, she then feels horribly portrayed and humiliated when he goes off with a "bad" girl, she then tries to be a "bad" girl to get Bud back and fails, and then is nearly date raped by Toots.

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I think she had a nervous breakdown because she knew that Bud slept with somebody else,and the looks she got from schoolmates overwhelmed her.Sometimes people have fantasies about losing virginity with the one you love (and he's losing his with you).Deenie wanted that and the fact that someone beat her to it,that she couldnt handle.

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She went insane because she was broken hearted! Haven't any of you ever fallen in love when you were very young....the feelings so strong that nothing else mattered but being with that other person? It's intense, stong, and passionate beyond words....as we age we are able to control these feelings but when we are young....nothing will do except for the first and best love of your life. The movie was very well done, I felt that way once and I know I am not alone. I barely escaped Deanie's future...perhaps watching the movie helped me avoid the looney bin? That twist of fate still scars me after all these years, try 13 now. I will always wonder how things could have been, would have been...

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Thank you superhot30!
You hit the mark, and said pretty much the same thing I did! I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw it this way!

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Deanie didn't go insane because she was getting laid or because her sexuality was dangerous to her mental health.

Obviously many have you have not experienced a severely broken heart.

Coming from someone who has had their heart severely broken; this movie is accurate in terms of what some people go through. I watched this movie about a year after the incident and realized that much of my actions were similar to Deanie's. I couldn't eat, I couldn't sleep, I yelled at every little thing that bugged me, I cried at ANYTHING that reminded me of him. At some points, I literally wanted to die, because I didn't feel I had any reason to live and I blamed myself because the boy dumped me for the same reasons Bud dumped Deanie. To some degree, my dad came in and mentioned him and I literally went crazy. I got up, started screaming, crying, yelling, hitting my father. (Please keep in mind that I was about the same age Deanie was when this happened to me as well).

The only reason I didn't go mad, like Deanie had, was because my mother wasn't nearly as psycho as her's and I was able to go to my parents when feelings like this arose. Back in the 1950's, many thought that teenagers as young as Deanie and Bud couldn't have such strong feelings of love, sex, etc. But, in today's society, it is acknowledged, even expected that teenagers develop feelings of romantic love in their relationships. It's more accepted in society so, unlike Deanie who had to keep her feelings to herself because of her psycho mother and the society at the time, just had a nervous breakdown and thats why she went mad. Pressure from society, holding in feelings she really needed to let out, her psycho mother, and complete and utter heartbreak of losing her first love.

I promise you, there is no other pain like losing a first love.

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You're so smart...:)

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"She went insane because she was broken hearted!...as we age we are able to control these feelings but when we are young.."

I totally agree with you Superhot.

"The only reason I didn't go mad, like Deanie had, was because my mother wasn't nearly as "psycho as her"'s'"
"'why she went mad. Pressure from society, holding in feelings she really needed to let out, her "psycho mother"'"

Deanie's mother was NOT psyco. Her mother only was worry about Deani. She knows Bud and his family very well. You are NOT a mother and you never understand it.

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no i have never given birth to a child but i am a legal guardian to my godchild so I do understand. how dare you judge.

and yes...her mother was nuts.

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I didn't realize there would be such differing opinions about this subject. I thought it was obvious and understandable that Deanie went insane because she was in love with Bud and she crumbled from the heartbreak and pressure she was feeling. I don't think you have to be a Baby Boomer to know that your reputation was everything in those days (I wish people still cared nowadays!) and yes, if you slept with someone before marriage your reputation would be marred. You wouldn't be a "nice girl" anymore. So with the combination of being confused over her sexual arousement and societal pressures, knowing that Bud cheated on her, having parents that didn't understand her, and everything put together---hey, I've been there. And yeah--it will make you go crazy.

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Sorry to come so late to the party but I just had to respond to the notion that Deanie's mother was nuts. Of course she wasn't nuts. She said it quite clearly herself. She raised her daughter the only way she knew how, the way her mother raised her and so on and so on. What many of you younger people don't realize, i suppose, is the notion of sex being pleasurable for women as well as men is a relatively new concept. Women of that era—again, as Deanie's mother states—were taught that sex was for procreation only and not to be enjoyed by "good girls".
Now, that's not nuts. She was merely a product of her environment and upbringing is all.
Thank God we came up in a different time, right?

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I don't think the mom was any more 'psycho' than any other parent at the time. Households were not as child-centric as they are today, and she just passed on what she had been told. She did the best she knew how, I think.







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Actually it started before the water scene, beginning with Bud being involved with another girl who was in her class. This film is a personal favorite of mine, but it so sad that they end up not together after all....

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I think she had a nervous breakdown.

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Plain old nervous breakdown. As for your other points, I think the film is a deliberate portrayal of dated ideals that had potentially tragic consequences, but is not dated itself in it's portrayal of mental illness. If you're going to pull the gender card, keep in mind that Bud almost dies of (for lack of a better term) blueballs. I suppose you could make the argument that his illness being physical and hers being mental is steeped in dated conceptions of gender, but why bother. The fact is, emotionally strenuous situations, heartbreak, grief, etc...can have tangible mental and physical affects on a person. It has happened before and is still happening today. Was her reaction extreme? Yes, but it could have realistically been even more extreme.

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