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Fellini is so over rated


Fellini is not a great film maker. He's not even a good film maker. To place him on the same level with the greats is an insult to the greats. He is completely self-indulgent. His films are pretentious, smug, and worse of all boring. He is not a visionary, but a phony. This movie is just a clear example of that.
La Dolce Vita has no plot and is exceedingly dull at a run time of 3 hours long. Gone With the Wind, the Godfather, and Titanic-- I can see as deserving of 3 hours, but this piece of triviality could have been told in 10 minutes. It's been a long time since a movie has inspired so much hatred in me for what was on the screen. I would rather be subjected to a Jennifer Lopez movie marathon, starting with Gigli than to go through another viewing of this never ending tortuous meaningless journey through Marcello's vapid existence. In fact, throw in a Ben Affleck marathon while you are at it starting with Surving Christmas and I'd still gladly take that torture then another Fellini "classic." I've tried to like Fellini and this about the fifth movie I've seen of his and I'm sorry but he is not brilliant. Fellini should take lessons from Goddard on what a cool movie is supposed to be like.

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OP likes twilight and all that crap ..

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He's a very good director.

Gone With the Wind was OK, Godfather sometimes pretentious (compared to Donnie Brasco), but Titanic was awful. The rest of the titles given are even worse.

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LOL no.

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I mostly agree. He made four good movies : La strada, Le notti di Cabiria, I Vitelloni and Il Bidone. And they're not even masterpieces in their style, they're just "good stuff", Rosselini in drama has made much better and many others (Risi, Scola...) in comedy have made MUCH better.

From La Dolce Vita (1960) on, he "betrayed" everything Italian Neorealism was and became a stylist. In other words, a professional crook, an "art contemporain" cacksucking bourgeois.

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Betrayed? He never was about neorealism in the first place idiot.

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Why do you think movies require a plot to be interesting or valid? a film has a plot when there is a clear identifiable problem that the characters of the film must work towards to solve. It's funny that you mention The Godfather and Titanic as movies that are worth three hours of viewing but they don't really have a plot either, or at least not a consistent one. The Departed has a plot and is in fact the first movie Scorsese has ever made with a clear plot (he even said so himself and for reference you can look on this website under Scorsese's quotes for that). 2001: A Space Odyssey, Raging Bull, There Will Be Blood, Pulp Fiction, etc. don't have actual plots but they are traditional and modern classics. In fact, Raging Bull reminds me of La Dolce Vita ("the sweet life") in that they are both just stories about a man told through various events and sequences that beautifully give light and depth to their characters. Raging Bull is only about the rise and fall of a famed boxer, Jake La Motta, but the story is interesting because it only focuses on Jake La Motta and how he falls. There isn't a clear problem for him to solve and thus no plot. Just a story. The interest is sparked through the characters involved and their own personal, moral, and emotional failings and discoveries and how they develop or even fail to develop, not necessarily in some grand overarching problem that (something which is certainly true in The Godfather). If your argument is that a film is not structured if it has no plot then that is a poor argument indeed because you disregard some of the greatest movies ever made and their best aspects and many of Fellini's films operate in this manner.

In this case, Marcello is an interesting character because this story is essentially all about his search for happiness in "the sweet life," the new culture of post-war Italy and the wave of modernity following it which is concerned with movie stars, playboys, and high society aristocrats and intellectuals. He looks for happiness in love with women who will never love him back (not like Emma does) and by associating himself with the high class members of society. He cannot be happy with his career as a gossip columnist, cannot love Emma, cannot develop a relationship with his distant father, and has no real friends other than Steiner (who was a part of the farce of high society and self indulgent happiness all along). By the end of the movie the allegory is clear: happiness cannot be found in this manner. Happiness in "the sweet life" is nothing but a farce. The film is as tragic as it satirical, because by the end of movie it is apparent that Marcello has missed that, making the ending in which the girl who genuinely likes him waves goodbye (and he doesn't even remember who she is) all the more bitter and saddening. It is a cautionary tale about a man told through elaborate,exquisite, and extraordinary sequences of events spanning a week and it is structured by dawn, day, and night sequences over those seven days. It is a unique style of storytelling and just because you don't care for it or the way Fellini crafts his films does not mean he should be discounted as an influential filmmaker because of your inability to appreciate his style of storytelling. This film has something of all our lives in it: lost ambition; inability to find love (with Emma, the swedish actress, Maddelena, etc); alienation from loved ones (Steiner, Emma, Marcello's father); the loss of a role model (Steiner); idolization of a person (the swedish actress and Steiner), in some cases only to discover you were delusional or wrong about them causing a readjustment of your perceptions; a general wish to belong; and feeling purposeless and lonely. It has tragedy, satire, comedy, drama, and introspective analysis all wrapped into one film. And if you think there was none of that in the movie nor any of that in life itself then to put it bluntly "if you can't find that stuff in life, then you, my friend, DON'T KNOW CRAP ABOUT LIFE" (Adaptation 2002).

I don't see how you think Fellini was smug or pretentious because if anything his movies are humble and introspective in the way he tells a story. Ironically, you are the one being smug and pretentious by claiming that just because his storytelling style does not suit your tastes or your limited definition for what makes a film he is consequently invalid as a influential filmmaker. Your arguments are shortsighted and poorly developed and I can see no valid reason you've given to dismiss Fellini as a filmmaker. I've only read that "Fellini sucks" and "his movies have no plot" and "this movie was too long" (which really that's an argument? come on man. Seven Samurai probably could have been wrapped up in 2 hours instead of 3 and a half and i wouldn't trade that extra hour and a half for anything). Give me a real reason and we'll talk.

P.S. I love Goddard's films and Titanic is among Cameron's best films and gets too much unnecessary and rather irrelevant criticism if you ask me.

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go watch batman you little piece of junk.

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Alfred Hitchcock also overrated

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It reminds me of the time when a reporter asked Sharon Stone what her favorite movie was and she yelled out the pretentious answer of "Shine." Out of all the directors, Fellini seems to attract the most amount of phonies pretending to love his work. You notice how defensive the Fellini "lovers" get, when you say you don't like his films? Look at how many smug answers are on this thread. Threads for most other filmmakers just have differing points of views--love it, hate it, whatever. But, here you get a lot of pretentious remarks like--if you don't like the movie, you just don't get it or you're not at the right age...or countless excuses for why this movie is so boring. Or some snide remark about a commercial director that sells a lot of tickets....as if they're so above it all. And, when asked why they actually like this film, like parrots, they merely repeat the same catchphrases lifted off of some film critic's review.

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You must be really thick. You call people pretentious yet you pretend to know that people only act to like Fellini's films.... Really, you know that I pretend to like La Dolce Vita? Have we met before? No one has accused me for faking my love for Fellini in real life... maybe they were pretending to accept my taste? Do you do this too? Say one thing in real life but act like a knob on the internet?

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You're kidding right? Almost every one of your posts comes off pretentious.

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Still no explanation of what everyone are pretending. But then again when have megalomaniacs of the hoi polloi variety ever been about clear thought instead of self aggrandizing populist blabber?

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God you're so pretentious.

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If you keep repeating it do you actually believe it somehow becomes a real?

But no, I'm not pretending anything, I do believe you're a populist *beep*

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I think my honest opinion is: Fellini really is a genius, and a select few actually understand and fully appreciate his work, but there are a lot of people who probably pretend to like him because of his status. And also because his movies always have fluid camerawork and nice cinematography to keep people interested purely from a visual perspective. I read a post from someone once who told someone they only like [those movies] cos it's easy to like them on a superficial level, without having to understand what's actually going on.

I've tried before with Fellini, Kurosawa, Bergman, Tarkovsky, and many others, and I've failed with them all, cos I just don't get them. I'm not ashamed to admit I'm not that bright at all, so it's no wonder.

No expectations, no disappointments.

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