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Why do people think Leopold and Loeb were gay?


I realize that Rope isn't directly about the murder committed by Leopold and Loeb, but since the killers in Rope were inspired by these real-life individuals, it influenced me to look them up online. Admittedly, I've only read their Wikipedia article thus far, but I was a bit surprised to see no mention of their alleged homosexuality in there. Particularly since every mention of Leopold and Loeb I've heard (since reading about Rope) has made comments on how these two men were homosexuals. Where is the evidence for this?

Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not directly refuting the claim. As I said, I'm rather new to the story. But while reading about them, I began getting the impression that perhaps this was just a rumor that's persisted for so long due to it having made an already interesting story even more interesting (especially for that time period). And now it's just being blindly accepted as a fact.

You see this type of communal reinforcement happen very often for a large variety of things, particularly in regards to popular news stories (to this day people mistakenly presume Anne Bony and Mary Reed were lovers), so it seems highly plausible that this could be what's happened in this instance, as well. I noticed when reading about Loebs death, at the hand of a fellow prison inmate, that rumors circulated that perhaps Loeb had put the moves on the prisoner. However, both Leopold and the prison's chaplain (who Loeb often spoke with) scoffed at this idea and I didn't see any other evidence that corroborated Loeb behaving in this way prior. This, though, was the only "evidence" of homosexuality that I'd read about. A rumor which the news, apparently, was quick to run with and spread.

As I said, though, I'm far from an expert on this topic. And I have zero stakes in whatever their sexuality is. I'm just curious, is all, about what the actual truth is and if there's any evidence that I've overlooked. Perhaps something was mentioned in court or in Leopold's autobiography?

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Do people think that? I know some people believe Brandon and Phillip are gay but that’s probably queer-theory bollocks.

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Actually they were gay. The film is based on a play where their homosexuality is much more in evidence. But Hitchcock had to play it more subtly in the film.

Jimmy Stewart’s character is gay too.

It all plays a part in the subtext of another Hitchcock classic.

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"Actually the were gay", and the evidence you cite is that they were gay in the stage play?

There is absolutely no evidence, in the movie, that Stewart's character is gay.

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He just told you it was based upon a play where the homosexuality was much more explicit.

I think it was Montgomery Clift or some other gay actor who turned down the role because it might tend to out him.

There is very little controversy about this aspect of the film.

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Actually I’m a she. But no matter. You can easily find out this information for yourself about Rope. It is on-line, liscarcat.

Well, the role of Brandon did not “out” Farley Granger who was gay.

I think all of Hollywood knew who was gay in the industry. But nobody talked about it.

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Both Cary Grant and Monty Clift turned it down, because they didn't want to be too closely associated with a queer film. Granger probably needed the work more, or cared less about the 'risk'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR_08mjrDQs

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Bullshit was James Stewart’s character gay.

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According to what I've heard, the police found letters in one of the men's room indicating they were lovers. It is mentioned on the wiki page :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_and_Loeb

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