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This has to be a joke...


I'd heard about this as being off-the-wall even for Hitchcock. The plotting is absolutely ridiculous. To wit...Cummings swims away from cops while still handcuffed AFTER jumping off a bridge--Richard Kimble would be proud. Then, with fortune still looking over him...comes across a house owned by a blind man! Talk about lucky! But wait, the blind guy has some hyper sensitivity which allows him to judge a man's character simply by the way he talks. The blind man also knows Cummings has handcuffs on because...ummm, well he just does.
Later, Cummings manages to splice the handcuffs off...with the fan from a car
enginethat is still running. The same car by the way, which he drove from the passenger side--while still handcuffed and fighting off a woman. He's Macgyver!

Without getting into who got where and how (anybody who knows NYC would immediately see things as being logistically impossible) there's also the over-the-top patriotism.

At the time of filming, The US hadn't entered the war in Europe. Perhaps Hitchcock, whose native England was being bombed daily wanted to scare some Americans while still making them feel patriotic? That would account for the plot and the superpowers of Cummings. See? Even an average Joe can save the world from totalitarianism!!!

A truly bizarre film that should be put in a time capsule. After this, Hitchcock had to believe American audiences will fall for just about anything.

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sc-d wrote: "At the time of filming, The US hadn't entered the war."

Wrong! The film was made after Japan had attacked Pearl Harbor and Germany had declared war on us. By the time this was made, German U-Boats were torpedoing American merchant ships within sight of the US coast (many cities didn't carry out black outs, so subs could target ships against the lighted coast). Germany had spies operating in the US, even landing some by U-Boat shortly after war was declared. The FBI was actively seeking out German spies.

...So your comment about the "over-the-top patriotism" is idiotic.

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Yeah, it's almost as if Hitchcock didn't care for realism.

It's a total departure from all his other movies that are completely realistic.

Completely realistic.

All of them.

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"Yeah, it's almost as if Hitchcock didn't care for realism.

It's a total departure from all his other movies that are completely realistic.

Completely realistic.

All of them."

Funny, Singlwhitemale! And so true.

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First hour was good if unbelievable. After that it fell to pieces. The scene in the house at the ball was quite ridiculous, and after that, it just got worse. Almost as though Hitchcock stopped caring and was just keen in getting it all over with.

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Hitchcock himself said that the script lacked discipline. But I liked the film.

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scd-2 - did you see the film?

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'At the time of filming, The US hadn't entered the war in Europe. Perhaps Hitchcock, whose native England was being bombed daily wanted to scare some Americans while still making them feel patriotic? That would account for the plot and the superpowers of Cummings. See? Even an average Joe can save the world from totalitarianism!!!'

The US had entered the war in Europe when this movie was made. In the last third of the film when the New York docks are seen, you can clearly see a damaged ship on its side. This ship was the 'Normandie' a liner that had recently been converted to a troop carrying ship, and was about to be used when it was sabotaged and set on fire by Nazi agents.

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This is MacGyver!


Um, MacGyver came on forty years after this was released.

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Hope you are the one joking, Movie Guy. I thought the above reference exact and hilarious.

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Completely false. The ship wasn't sabotaged and set on fire by Nazi agents. Nor had the ship been converted to a troop-carrying ship. It was in the process of being converted for that purpose when a welder's torch started a fire, which spread, and due to the amount of water being pumped in to fight the fire, the ship capsized.

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Your comments are funny and right on target! I saw the movie last night for the first time, and spent the whole time shaking my head. WHY didn't the girl turn him in, before she fell madly in love him, that is. WHY would a man send his niece off alone in a car with a strange man (with handcuffs)?

WHY didn't Tobin kill Barry the first time he saw him? The ship slid off the dock at about 500 miles an hour! The girl walked up the zillion steps to the top of the Statue of Liberty in high heels without breathing hard. The bad guys dressed her up in gown and furs at Mrs. Sutton's party!?

Apparently it takes about a minute to get from downtown NYC to the exact shipyard where the ship is being launched, and about a second to locate the bad guy who's about to blow it up. When Barry chased after Frye up to the torch, he didn't take the time to yell to the FBI where he was going.

We could go on and on. I thought it was a horrible movie, but maybe just dated. Maybe patriotism was so high back then that people loved any movie where an American Joe single-handedly pulverized the mysterious, nameless bad guys.

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WHY would a man send his niece off alone in a car with a strange man (with handcuffs)?

Blind Man believed that Barry Kane wasn't guilty. So the blind man wanted her to take Barry to the blacksmith to remove the handcuffs.

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Yes, I know that's what the man said, but would you send your daughter off with a strange man (with or without handcuffs)? I wouldn't.

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Blind Man completely trusted Barry. He knew that Barry is a completely innocent man.

And I think you have to watch the movie again, because Pat isn't Blind Man's daughter. She is his niece.


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he knew he wasn't the guilty one, because he knew whom really was involved.

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- The girl didn't turn turn him in because despite her hostility towards the idea he may be a traitor to his country she a) holds great respect for her uncle (hence not telling her Uncle he was a mad old fool and ringing the police there and then) and b) knows that she feels something for him.

- As others have said the old man completely trusts Barry and wants to help him. It's also clear as the film goes on that the girl can look after herself and naturally her unlce would have known this.

- Tobin couldn't kill Barry on his ranch. Even if Barry was a suspected traitor a shooting on his ranch would mean an investigation and he had more than just a little to hide.

- The ship moving quickly is to do with shooting technology not plot. If it was easy to record it moving very slowly then all Hitchcock would have had to do is have Barry keep the guys hand away from the button a few extra seconds.

- So did everybody else. And there's nothing to say she was tired by climbing all those steps... in fact she leans against the pillar as she decides what to do.

- The 'bad guys' dress her up for Mrs. Sutton's party so as not to attract any attention to her. If she was the only one dressed inappropriately she'd stick out like a sore thumb and it would be easy for her to make a scene.

- When Barry asks the business man the time he says it's 10 to and the launch isn't due to happen till half past. So it could have taken 30 minutes to get there before being made to sit in the office for 5 minutes and then impatiently going off on his own. He knows where the 'bad guy' is because they make reference to the Newsreel Van so naturally he checks it.

- Barry is trying to catch Fry himself as he has to clear his name and knows that the girl is perfectly capable of shouting down some stairs.

- As for the patriotism what do you expect? The country was at war. As a matter of fact most audiences now have a difficult time accepting movies that arn't at least proud about the values of their countries even if the government and others are painted as being corrupt.

I mean no offence but it seems you wern't really paying attention or thinking about what might happen between shots. It is true that it hasn't dated as well as a lot of Hitchcock's work but to say it's a 'horrible movie' seems somewhat over the top.

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MatthewPaulWood,

It seemed unrealistic that Barry would be knocked out and stored in the pantry, but allowed to keep his cigarettes and matches so that he could set off the fire alarm. I understand the captors were amatuers, not trained formerly as law enforcement or military personnel, but still such a glaring mistake surprised me. I guess smoking was more accepted back then. I think Barry asked for a smoke to escape from the car on the bridge too. Cigarettes were important tools for good guys back then.

The silliest thing in this entertaining and thought provoking movie was capturing the girl but letting her keep her possessions. The captor even made her pay 15 cents for her malt, giving her the correct change because all she had was a quarter, as if to say, "We of course shall have to kill you, but meanwhile, sure I'll leave you alone to write escape notes to the police and flick the lights for half an hour until someone rescues you, and I'll even go buy you a treat while you do it, as long as you reimburse me."

After the escape, Barry too had the money to pay for cab fares, etc. It was silly, but so entertaining, because the bad guys did not care about money, and were polite and civil, despite being ruthless, and I could see it happening. Maybe.

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I am sure they checked Pat's bag. But they decided to let her keep the lipstick.

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The ending was kinda abrupt. They didn't explain if Kane got off the hook. I was hoping Fry would take the girl hostage and bring to the torch for an exciting climax. instead somehow the villain loses his gun and the good guy gets it? I woul've had the two tussle then the good guy gets it.

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you guys aren't enjoying the movie enough. quit going nuts over every small detail and enjoy it.

although it did feel like a cliffhanger ending to me, what happened to charles tobin?

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Charles Tobin went out of town.

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I don't think the ending was abrupt.

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i think the ending was pretty hideous though

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Clearly, scd-2 hasn't heard of literary allusion, irony, satire, literary license, social commentary embedded in movies, or - for that matter - fiction. When you watch literary ironic satirical fictional socially-aware cinema, sometimes - just sometimes - your mind is invited to take a leap from the literal and jump up to the imaginative.

It looks like, scd-2, you plunked your head on the diving board during the jump.

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I found myself wondering if it was a satire. Either way, it didn't work for me either with the exception of the Statue of Liberty ending.

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Either you like a movie or not, the choice is yours.
A good swimmer could swim with handcuffs.
The blind man heard the hand cuffs.
The scene where he cuts the cuffs off with the car fan blade was a bit much.
Bottom line the people who rip on this movie probably enjoys modern movies more.
I still prefer this movie and its types, to the dribble that Hollywood churns out today.
This movie did use imagination, something that is in short supply today (2008).
Look at all the remakes that are being spewed out now days, no imagination.
And the remakes are terrible.

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I agree that modern film-making produces too much dreck...but then, that's still no excuse for dreck produced 60 years ago...and I don't agree that this film's blatant plot-howlers are merely examples of Hitchcock's imaginative technique. I had not seen this film before catching it the other night on TCM and did not realize that it was an early Hitchcock effort, but when the odd plot twists brought the protagonist to the cabin in the woods occupied by the kindly old blind man, I began to think: hey, wait a minute...this is a silly rip-off of Mary Shelly's Frankenstein. Then, I noticed elements that were clearly reminiscent of later (and far superior) Hitchcock films...still, it seemed like nothing more than clumsy film-school attempt at a Hitchcockian imitation. That, for me, was best exemplified by the story line premise on which the whole film was dependent: that a saboteur working at a defense plant would feel the need to bring to work an envelope with hundreds of dollars of payoff money and letters linking him to his confederates, their names and addresses...all this in order that he might be accidentally jostled in a crowd and have the incriminating evidence spilled out so that the unfortunate protagonist would know his identity and where to track him down...without that supremely implausible device, the story could not have been advanced.

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Remember, Hitchcock himself said about the problems with Saboteur script. One of the problems was getting the right writer for the script. And Another problem was the casting.



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