When are people going to realize that mediocrity is subjective. Vin Diesel, Kevin Hart and The Rock are mediocre and yet they're all really famous. Also, when you're from a county where black people are a minority, you're more likely to see white people being mediocre in certain jobs.
So why complain about places that have a white majority population. I doubt white people are getting more opportunities than black people are in Rwanda.
Agreed. We all know it. You have to be an asshole to claim otherwise.
This guy is clearly an asshole. A racist asshole. And he just let his target auidence know that.
Good move on his part. If I was his boss(es)...no. Clearly his bosses don't give a FUCK about doing their jobs, or they wouldn't have done a black doctor....
NO, if I was one of his CO-WORKERS who's pay check depends on the show surviving, I would...
thank him for making that much less likely. And maybe tell him that if he keeps it up, and he costs me my job, I might kick his fucking ass.
>Good move on his part. If I was his boss(es)...no. Clearly his bosses don't give a FUCK about doing their jobs, or they wouldn't have done a black doctor....
There's nothing in the description of the Doctor that means it can't be black.
>NO, if I was one of his CO-WORKERS who's pay check depends on the show surviving, I would...
Tell me you know nothing about the BBC without telling me you know nothing about the BBC
1. True. But all of them, till the last one, were all white men. That strongly suggested that that individual was a white man.
2. Are you saying that the UK BBC is so socialist that they don't care about viewership at ALL when deciding how to spend tax payer money? That is... very sad if true.
1. No, it suggested the UK was a white majority country who tends to cast white leads in things.
2. The BBCs remit isn't commercial in the same sense as a typical streamer or broadcaster. Doctor Who is safe as houses anyway. He was a pretty popular pick. No-one has any problem with him.
2. i seriously doubt that. I am not as tuned in as I was during the first WOMAN doctor, but I have heard of a lot of push back from fans and a lot of declining viewing numbers.
1. In this case, it's really that UK was white majority. Still is, although lesser now and there was no issue with casting a black person as Doctor Who. There's nothing in the description of the Doctor that requires a regeneration to be a white male. Idris Elba was also a popular choice for the next James Bond (when he was younger).
2. I live here. You don't. You are not representative of how British people think. Jodie Whittaker was not terribly popular, but that was considered a writing issue more than anything else.
And all viewing numbers of all BBC programs are in decline. It's not specifically a Doctor Who thing.
2. ANd now the black doctor will be "not terribly popular" and you can pretend that it is an unrelated "writing issue".
3. Across the board failure? Well, that certainly... what? Shows that the people making the decision to race flip the Doctor are incompetent across teh board? OK, I will buy that.
2. THe actor is an anti-white racist in a white majority country. He just insulted the majority of his potential viewers. That type of stupidity, seems to be almost always present with wokeness. YOur support of this shit, is not good.
3. Sure. Just keep disrepecting the fan base, and hiring anti-white racists in a white majority country and letting them insult the viewers, none of THAT is a problem, it's "streamers". LOL.
2. His comments here came AFTER he was cast as Doctor Who. When did I say I supported his comments here? I simply noted he was a fairly popular choice. Although I would note the article misrepresents his comments. He doesn't insult white people at all really.
"Yes. I was very, very emotionally avoidant. I strictly emotionally avoided everything my whole twenties. I was catching up with my sister the other day, and I was like, “I think from the way that we were raised, I think we were taught that we have to earn love.” Instead of it being an unconditional thing or that being an unconditional entity. I’m not saying it is that. I don’t know whether that comes from that African upbringing, that strict upbringing: get your grades, get into a good uni, become a doctor, become a lawyer. Start overachieving. It was like you have to prove why you’re lovable. We’re trained to be like, ‘If I’m not exceptional, I won’t be loved.’ Certainly, I think that was my thing. So, yeah, I think I’m just learning now like, ‘Oh, you are allowed to be loved.’ You don’t have to be excellent or aspire to that term, ‘Black excellence’. What the hell? There’s so much white mediocrity that gets celebrated, and Black people, we have to be absolutely flawless to get half of [that] anyway. So, I’m slowly training myself out of that and being like, ‘No shit. You deserve love just for existing.’ And that has taught me to be a lot more loving as well, in a weird way."
3. I'm speaking about why BBC viewing figures are declining GENERALLY. It's struggling to compete with Netflix, Amazon, Apple etc and many of its programs are directed at older audiences who are slowly dying off.
2. This isn't day one. The problem of leftard actors/actresses who feel a need to insult their fan base, has been well established. Any casting director at this late date that does't check for various types of crazy, such as being a leftard asshole, anti-white racist or a tranny, or something like that, is an incompetent fucktard. You don't want a major production to be dependent on a fucking whack job.
3. "Older audiences"? LOL. All the more reasons to do gender and race flips and to insult them on racial grounds. That will help convince the ones still alive to stick with them. Ooooh, oooh, don't forget to insult their religion too. VERY WOKE to be anti-christian.
1. There's nothing to say he could not be a suave Black british person. Fits the character fine. James Bond is more importantly *British* than anything else.
2. Are you suggesting "being a leftard asshole" should mean one gets blacklisted from all possible jobs in the media industry? This was a relatively mild interview, all things considered.
Are you also suggesting that the industry should blacklist any and all transgendered actors?
3. Correct. BBC programming is mostly watched by 50-60 year olds. The average BBC watcher is intheir 60s. The BBCs existential crisis, in so much that it has one, is due to younger watchers abandoning them. The 50-60 year old generation won't live forever.
Is the BBC insulting their religion? Also, you might not know this but the UK is not a christian majority country anymore. Church attendance is less than 10%. Most people even in the 50-60 year demographic don't give a fuck about christianity.
1. I don't "support it". I'm indifferent. I'll ask again: There's nothing to say he could not be a suave Black british person. Fits the character fine. James Bond is more importantly *British* than anything else. Why would it be a problem in terms of James Bond should it happen?
2. And who are these brilliant right-wing actors and entertainers willing to fill the void? What are the notable right-wing TV shows and films? The entire industry in the UK and USA is predominantly populated with actors who are broadly left-wing. Almost every single TV show and film of any repute is heavily produced, written by and acted in by them. Right-wingers are absolutely NOWHERE in entertainment.
Are you also suggesting that the industry should blacklist any and all transgendered actors?
3. It doesn't "rely" on him. He is one incarnation, he will not be the doctor forever - and there will be more. This is not a big news article in the UK. It's just an interview.
2. MMM, are you suggesting that leftards have been blacklisting right leaning actors and writers? All the more reason to start reversing that, and getting non-partisan non-assholes in those slots.
3. He is the star of this show, for several seasons. If he insults the fanbase, that will hurt the show.
1. I don't "support it". I'm indifferent. I'll ask again: There's nothing to say he could not be a suave Black british person. Fits the character fine. James Bond is more importantly *British* than anything else. Why would it be a problem in terms of James Bond should it happen?
2. No, I'm saying that the right-wing media world is mostly garbage and unable to achieve anything of note at any kind of scale. But the reason proper is irrelevant: almost all notable actors, writers, producers etc are progressive, left-inclined etc. Those are the facts on the ground. Are you expecting a mass blacklist?
Are you also suggesting that the industry should blacklist any and all transgendered actors?
3. He is the star of the show currently. This will be only the case for a couple of seasons, unless he does really well and wants to keep doing it for longer. And he didn't insult the fanbase. Not really.
4. Not an answer. How does the BBC insult christianity? Examples now.
2. And that doesn't seem supicious to you? LOL. Of course not.
3. And during that time, he is THE DOCTOR. Any casting director that does NOT check to see if the actor in question isa fucking flake that will flake out, is completely incompetent.
1. I don't "support it". I'm indifferent. Whether they do or not doesn't bother me. I'll ask again: There's nothing to say he could not be a suave Black british person. Fits the character fine. James Bond is more importantly *British* than anything else. Why would it be a problem in terms of James Bond should it happen?
2. Not at all. The right have always been devoid of entertainers in comparison to the left. There's a lot of money in the right-wing ecosphere that could've been turned to build an alternative entertainment apparatus. But it never really happened.
Are you also suggesting that the industry should blacklist any and all transgendered actors?
Answer this fucking question you cowardly sack of shit.
3. How can they check if he is a "flake that will flake out" exactly?
4. Not an answer you sackless wonder. You made specific claims about the BBC. Back it up. How does the BBC insult Christianity?
That's not what I asked you. You said "Any casting director at this late date that does't check for various types of crazy, such as being a leftard asshole, anti-white racist or a ****tranny****, or something like that, is an incompetent fucktard. You don't want a major production to be dependent on a fucking whack job."
Are you also suggesting that the tv/film/entertainment industry should blacklist any and all transgendered actors?
1. Ok. Now show me evidence of his othewise good mental health.
2. Well, yes, because you people abuse any authority you are given. This is a completely different issue, dealing with avoiding public assholes and violent crazy people. I am assuming a significant population of lefties who are not dangerously crazy and can keep their mouth shut when ordered to.
2. So you are a pro cancel-culture hypocrite who wants political purity tests for all actors. And you describe anyone who is left-wing, or expresses left-wing values as inherently crazy without basis. Because you are a hateful prejudiced piece of shit.
In addition, as I've said, since the right-wing are prominently creatively non-existent and can only complain about media, it would mean the devastation of modern media.
1. I only read the first one. NOthing there to show that that guy is sane or non-violent.
2. I expressly stated that I believed that there a significant population of lefties that were sane and able to keep their mouths shut. So... what you said is the opposite of what I said.
1. I like that you pretend to forget what group we where dsicussing. When you pretend to be stupid, it makes you look stupid.
2. I like that you pretend to forget that I was discussing the way this actor racistly insulted his would be viewers. Pretending to be stupid, makes you look stupid.
1. So your assumption here is guilty until proven innocent because of your prejudice against transpeople. Do you think Indya Moore and Hunter Schafer should be blacklisted from the industry for no reason other than they are transgendered?
How would they even somehow disprove the notion that they are mentally ill?
In addition, do you think anyone who suffers from any kind of mental illness should be banned from acting? Because that would be A LOT OF actors who suffer from drug abuse, alcoholism etc.
2. He did no such thing. And I live in the Uk. It was a brief story in our media. And now it's gone.
Some of us agreed with him, some of us did not. But overall we don't care. You are not British. You don't get to tell us how how we feel.
Who do Americans want to play James Bond in the future? While nearly half aren't sure, those with an opinion are most likely to select Idris Elba (24%) as their preferred future Bond when presented with a list of 10 possibilities — as well as an option to write in a name not included in the list of options. The selection includes names that have been mentioned as potential Bonds on multiple lists published by entertainment news sources. Henry Cavill and Tom Hardy take second and third place among Americans with an opinion on the next Bond, respectively. Women who provided a response (30%) were more likely than men (17%) to say Elba is their preferred future Bond. Among Black Americans, 43% choose Elba — a Black British actor — while no other contender is chosen by more than 12%.
At one point, Idris Elba was the plurality choice for the next doctor by both Americans AND Brits.
>A population terrified and indoctrinated into comfortity to the point that htey self censor their own thoughts.
Online polls dude and all answered anonymously.... you think people would be scared to say anything about their preference for who should depict the next incarnation of bond?
You know Idris Elba is a highly successful and popular actor in his own right in both the UK, and USA, right?
>BOND IS WHITE.
Historically, yes, but there's no reason why him being recast as a Black Briton could not work. Fits the character fine. James Bond is more importantly *British* than anything else. Why would it be a problem in terms of James Bond should it happen?
1. It's baseless speculation. There's nothing to address. You pulled the claim out of your ass. There's nothing to say to it other than that it's bullshit.
2. Historically, yes, but there's no reason why him being recast as a Black Briton could not work. Fits the character fine. James Bond is more importantly *British* than anything else. Why would it be a problem in terms of James Bond should it happen?
1. I was talking to a young woman about a year ago. Her work had just hired a tranny. She admitted to being "afraid" of the hammer that would fall on her, if she did not use the correct pronouns for the tranny. I was symathetic to her plight. Then she started walking back her own words, trying to spin it to herself, that it was ok. I pointed out what she was doing, that she had admitted to being afraid, that after that, pretending that she really supported the policy was... being a slave. A wiling slave.
2. Keep your filthy hands off of our stories, you filthy commie.
1. I simply don't believe you, nor do I believe your anecdote is remotely relevant.
Also, Yougov samples people ANONYMOUSLY. People said that they wanted Idris Elba, or a plurality did, ANONYMOUSLY.
2. There's nothing in the James Bond character that would mean he couldn't be black. Suave, womanising, arrogant, british. But the race doesn't matter. And that's the wider opinion.
1. That's a you problem. IN the real world, that is the fucked up way you people have been conditioned. To conform out of fear and to be willing slaves.
2. Do you think that black actors can't establish a character by themselves?
1. It's a single anecdote by from a source (you) that I consider worse than shit. It's also not data. It's dismissible bullshit, and your overall position is completely unfalsifiable.
Also, Yougov samples people ANONYMOUSLY. People said that they wanted Idris Elba, or a plurality did, ANONYMOUSLY.
"Slaves" for holding the opinion that Idris Elba would make a good James Bond.
1. You are not me. You get no say over what I think. I think you are repulsive fascist piece of shit who justifies lying about people who they don't like. The literal tactics of scientology. You have expressed prejudice towards women on multiple occasions with your diatribe about single women and their depiction in media. You have wished violence on me.
Nothing about you can be described as "good". You are a hateful vile scumbag.
2. Answer my question, fuckface. When did I say anything approaching that?
When did I say that black people can star in nothing but hand-me-downs?
Quite minor and not really that strong of an example. Show me a role that's big like Bond where there was a swap and you were ok with it. That example doesn't work it's not that well known.
1. I am not telling you what to think, I am just pointing out what you already know. You're the bad guy. Everyone hates you. You're a troll. I'm the good guy here.
2. Your actions show it. If you thought that black actors and actresses could create adn support strong, lasting characters and stories you would want them to have their own characters and stories instead of always wanting to give them characters and stories where white people already did the hard work.
1. You *assume* I "know" this. I know of no such thing.
Moviechat is an obscure niche forum primarily populated by authoritarians and fascists banned from almost everywhere else online who want to persecute other people, and who were banned for saying so most likely. Scumbags such as yourself. Being hated by someone who openly endorses the tactics of scientology would constitute an honour, if anything. You have also suggested that you wish to physically assault me. You don't think I should get to express my opinions online. You want to stop me by force.
You have more in common with repulsive communist dictatorships than I ever could, shitbrains.
2. I do want them to have their own characters, and they do. I just don't see any problem, specifically when it comes to an example like James Bond, if a black actor was chosen to replace Daniel Craig. It fits with the character fine.
1. You *assume* I "know" this. I know of no such thing.
Moviechat is an obscure niche forum primarily populated by authoritarians and fascists banned from almost everywhere else online who want to persecute other people, and who were banned for saying so most likely. Scumbags such as yourself. Being hated by someone who openly endorses the tactics of scientology would constitute an honour, if anything. You have also suggested that you wish to physically assault me. You don't think I should get to express my opinions online. You want to stop me by force.
You have more in common with repulsive communist dictatorships than I ever could, shitbrains.
2. I didn't "insist" on anything. I just don't see any problem, specifically when it comes to an example like James Bond, if a black actor was chosen to replace Daniel Craig. It fits with the character fine. They may not choose any such actor. Either way is fine by me.
1. It's not an assumption. I've seen the thread you started talking about yourself. Everyone not a leftard troll boi, agreed with the consensus. YOur response showed that you had NOTHING to refute that with. ALL you had was the most sad form of denial.
So, you know. Drop the shit talk.
2. If that was true, you wouldn't be here trolling like a fag whenever someone who does care, complains about woke fags being woke fags and race fliping characters.
1. Most of the thread was you, Craig and Melton. That was it. 3 people.
And what they think on the subject doesn't really matter to what I think. All three of them are hateful pieces of shit like you.
You *assume* I "know" this. I know of no such thing.
Moviechat is an obscure niche forum primarily populated by authoritarians and fascists banned from almost everywhere else online who want to persecute other people, and who were banned for saying so most likely. Scumbags such as yourself. Being hated by someone who openly endorses the tactics of scientology would constitute an honour, if anything. You have also suggested that you wish to physically assault me. You don't think I should get to express my opinions online. You want to stop me by force.
You have more in common with repulsive communist dictatorships than I ever could, shitbrains.
2. James Bond is a British franchise, and most people in this particular case would have no problem with a black male taking up the role if one was there.
I have watched plenty of things with original black characters in. Unlike you, I don't just watch capeshit.
1. Most people are so disgusted with people like you, that they wouldn't even give you the respect of an answer. Those poeple you mentioned? Those are the ones here that have the HIGHEST opinion of you. You do realize that, right?
2, FUnny, I never hear you talkinga bout them. All I get from you is standard leftard swill.
1. No reason to believe this. It's complete conjecture on your part. Moviechat is an obscure niche forum primarily populated by authoritarians and fascists banned from almost everywhere else online who want to persecute other people, and who were banned for saying so most likely. Scumbags such as yourself. Being hated by someone who openly endorses the tactics of scientology would constitute an honour, if anything. You have also suggested that you wish to physically assault me. You don't think I should get to express my opinions online. You want to stop me by force.
You have more in common with repulsive communist dictatorships than I ever could, shitbrains.
Not "favourites" as such, but notable original black characters across content I've watched (going by memory)
Black Sails: Mr. Scott, Madi
Mr. Robot: Leon
Severance: Milchick
The Expanse: Fred Johnson
Snowpiercer: Layton
Westworld: Jeffrey Wright
Silo: Robert Sims
From: Boyd Stephens
The 100: Thelonious Jaha
Handmaids Tale: Luke, Moira
Counterpart: Ian Shaw, Naya Temple
Altered Carbon: Vernon Elliot
The Lazarus Project: George (the lead)
2. Yeah, I very rarely hear you discuss them. For someone who supposedly cares so much about that, and not about what I was discussing, you spend a lot of time discussing the race flipping of white characters and not the original black characters. your actions do not support your claim.
1. No reason to believe this. It's complete conjecture on your part. Moviechat is an obscure niche forum primarily populated by authoritarians and fascists banned from almost everywhere else online who want to persecute other people, and who were banned for saying so most likely. Scumbags such as yourself. Being hated by someone who openly endorses the tactics of scientology would constitute an honour, if anything. You have also suggested that you wish to physically assault me. You don't think I should get to express my opinions online. You want to stop me by force.
You have more in common with repulsive communist dictatorships than I ever could, shitbrains.
2. I don't discuss actors full stop on here generally. I'm more interested in shows than the actors within them.
Are you suggesting I'm somehow opposed to black actors being in new roles?
1. No reason to believe this. It's complete conjecture on your part. Moviechat is an obscure niche forum primarily populated by authoritarians and fascists banned from almost everywhere else online who want to persecute other people, and who were banned for saying so most likely. Scumbags such as yourself. Being hated by someone who openly endorses the tactics of scientology would constitute an honour, if anything. You have also suggested that you wish to physically assault me. You don't think I should get to express my opinions online. You want to stop me by force.
You have more in common with repulsive communist dictatorships than I ever could, shitbrains.
2. I don't discuss actors full stop on here generally. I'm more interested in shows than the actors within them.
Are you suggesting I'm somehow opposed to black actors being in new roles?
I'm not going to be lectured about morality from someone who openly libels me, suggests I should be assaulted, and suggests I should have censored online.
"3. "Older audiences"? LOL. All the more reasons to do gender and race flips and to insult them on racial grounds. That will help convince the ones still alive to stick with them. Ooooh, oooh, don't forget to insult their religion too. VERY WOKE to be anti-christian."
I replied: "Is the BBC insulting their religion? Also, you might not know this but the UK is not a christian majority country anymore. Church attendance is less than 10%. Most people even in the 50-60 year demographic don't give a fuck about christianity."
You replied: "4. Good. THey insult away. Hey, want to insult Islam? Double dog dare you."
Anyone insulted by the casting choice of a literal regenerating alien is a pathetic manchild. It's an insult, they need to touch grass and stop being such babies.
So my other qustion. What does casting a black person as James Bond have to do with communism, as you alleged?
Oh, that. It wasn't an insult. It was a single comment about his belief white actors/writers are celebrated more than black people.
"Yes. I was very, very emotionally avoidant. I strictly emotionally avoided everything my whole twenties. I was catching up with my sister the other day, and I was like, “I think from the way that we were raised, I think we were taught that we have to earn love.” Instead of it being an unconditional thing or that being an unconditional entity. I’m not saying it is that. I don’t know whether that comes from that African upbringing, that strict upbringing: get your grades, get into a good uni, become a doctor, become a lawyer. Start overachieving. It was like you have to prove why you’re lovable. We’re trained to be like, ‘If I’m not exceptional, I won’t be loved.’ Certainly, I think that was my thing. So, yeah, I think I’m just learning now like, ‘Oh, you are allowed to be loved.’ You don’t have to be excellent or aspire to that term, ‘Black excellence’. What the hell? There’s so much white mediocrity that gets celebrated, and Black people, we have to be absolutely flawless to get half of [that] anyway. So, I’m slowly training myself out of that and being like, ‘No shit. You deserve love just for existing.’ And that has taught me to be a lot more loving as well, in a weird way."
Full context.
So my other qustion. What does casting a black person as James Bond have to do with communism, as you alleged?
Dude was a lead in the TV show Sex Education, and in Masters of the Air. I don't agree with how he frames this at all, but he is an accomplished actor in his own right.
When i first saw it my first thought was: "Oh dear. Noting to bury your career and that tv show you do as attacking viewers and being racist. Why are some people so stupid?"
Like that Star Wars actor who kept whining and being racist. And then... where is he now? I don't think I saw him in one movie after Star Wars. I don't even hear about him anymore. Literally destroyed his career thinking he is "it boy of the moment" and can say whatever he wants and attack everyone.
I liked this guy in Barbie. He was fun. It's sad to see him being another performative woke racist. Have zero desire to watch his projects after this.Actors really don't understand that people read what you say and they don't like you anymore when you are whiny annoying prick.
Everyone loves and respects Idris Elba because he does not behave like that. This actor has been semi famous, like C- for few months and already there is that entitlement and he thinks he can school everyone. Sit down boy.
Vi Diesel, Kevin Hart and The Rock. Arguably three of the least threatening most mainstream and accessible/acceptable black actors/comedians to white folks.