Others lilke the former marionette President of the Ukraine fled from the people who demonstrated against him. Zelenskiy is still in office knowing he will die there in the war.
Other leaders should be inspired by the courage he has got.
Interestingly he announced he would stay in Ukraine after the news of Kyiv has been surrounded and Antonov International Airport of Kyiv has been captured by Russian forces broke out.
So it is hard to say.
What's hard to say?
shareWell, when "Kyiv has been surrounded and Antonov International Airport of Kyiv has been captured by Russian forces". that means no way out.
If you were a politician, what would you say?
he could be smuggled out of the country among the crowd of refugees. c'mon . think.
shareThere is still hope to re-gain control of the airport, CNN has reported Russian troops stationed there were under attack.
There is also a chance Ukrainian army could fight a way out, then he let down his pride, "reluctantly" left, even forced by his supporters, for the sake of Ukraine's future. And wept as he was leaving his beloved country. Come on that is a beautiful narrative.
I mean there are safer ways, better ways.
Also his face is well known, what you said is more of a risky last resort.
He also could have left earlier, before it got to this point, if that was what he wanted to do.
Much respect to the man.
Nobody expected the Russian attack, all the media circus is mostly for the sanction of Nord Stream 2 pipeline. That is why the sanctions happened a day before the war.
He did not believe the Russian attack, he said so publicly before. To be honest I could not believe it either even as the attack already started. I thought it was the continuation of the media charades.
But once the attack started all that happened in hours, by then it is too late to leave.
Of course he could really be a brave man, but that is not something I would bet on.
Believing politicians, are there still people that naive? Or is that just another propaganda narrative preparing for his exile?
The good news is that the Ukrainian army fought a way out. It was reported he has already left Kyiv since yesterday and en route to Lviv, which is very close to western border (about 50km), so he would be in a position to leave the country much more easily.
I mean Lviv just one hour car ride to Poland, and 10 minutes on helicopters.
I told you there was a better way.
The Afgan president left right quick with 100's of millions in his swiss bank account.
THIS is how you get your people to fight.
Taliban attacks were expected, Russian attacks were not, at least not to this extent.
shareExpected or not, staying fighting and possibly being a martyr for Ukraine will be an example for millions of men in that country.
Just as fleeing is also a example.
In his case fleeing was too late. The Afghan president could have prepared his exit months before.
Him, I don't think he prepared at all. Nobody had thought Russia would attack the entire Ukraine, most people expected shelling at borders at most.
Be a martyr for Ukraine, politicians? Are there still people that naive?
I think you’re exactly right. fc31 is too cynical. Zelenskiy’s example is clearly rallying Ukrainians. He made some mistakes early on when he mocked the U.S. for warnings about the imminence of the invasion but he has demonstrated fantastic courage and leadership since then. I also read where the White House offered to get him out of the country and he refused. I thought that was a regrettable offer by the U.S. and when combined with the Afghanistan withdrawal, gave the impression that this administration is constantly looking for options for evacuating
shareSo US offered to get him out, how?
When the city is surrounded and airport is occupied, how exactly to get him out? Even the airport was not occupied do you think US would send a plane into a war zone, with Russia?
You see I am not someone just accept a narrative. I think about it, did you?
I am not arguing about the feasibility of a U.S. rescue. I am saying that I disagree with your suggestion that Zelenskyy remains because he’s entrapped. There are images even this morning showing Ukrainians by the tens of thousands evacuating the country by a variety of routes. The Russians have publicly offered surrender terms that would allow him to survive and depart safely. My point is the same as Redsfan: Zelenskyy remains in Ukraine because he is defiant. And unlike the cowardly fleeing of Ashraf Ghani from Afghanistan, Zelenskyy is quickly becoming an international hero.
shareActually it was reported that he already left, and en route to Lviv, which is on the western border, 50km to Poland, about an hour car ride.
That is your defiant hero right there.
Are you working for US government? That looks very much like a press release.
I notice that when you can’t convince someone of your position, you resort to personal attacks. You reference a completely uncorroborated report from the Russian state owned Sputnik News that is sourced to the Speaker of the Russian State Duma. Give me a break. I stand by my position.
shareSo you think working for US government is personal attack? I was actually seriously asking that question.
Things like that are easy to verify, it will become apparent in a matter of time.
I noticed you did not answer my replies of your comment here: https://moviechat.org/nm1269884/Vladimir-Putin/621a264557d2055f2fd43aa6/No-different-to-what-the-CIAAmerica-has-always-and-is-doing-around-the-world?reply=621a51cb57d2055f2fd43c25
Those are with more direct evidence.
Why didn't you stand your position there?
What is easy to verify? You sound a little threatening man. I’m not willing to follow your hyperlinks. Maybe you can just tell me the point of all the videos you want me to watch. Who knows, maybe I’ll agree.
shareAccording to Lawrence Wilkerson, there are 3 strategic objectives for US presence in Afghanistan and he said directly & bluntly it had nothing to do with Taliban or terrorism:
1) It's close proximity to BRI of China. If US want to cut it off through military actions, that is the best location.
2) It's close proximity to Xinjiang of China. CIA could use it as base to send operatives there and use Uyghurs to undermine Chinese government.
3) It's close proximity to Pakistan, which is a Muslim nuclear power and the most unstable piles of nuclear weapons there is. So US want to monitor & do something about it, that is where US should be.
In the case of Kuwait, US started military operation mostly due to a Kuwait girl Nayirah's teary testimony of Iraqi soldier killing babes in a hospital.
It was later revealed that Nayirah's last name was Al-Ṣabaḥ (Arabic: نيرة الصباح) and that she was the daughter of Saud Al-Sabah, the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United States. Furthermore, it was revealed that her testimony was organized as part of the Citizens for a Free Kuwait public relations campaign, which was run by the American public relations firm Hill & Knowlton for the Kuwaiti government. Following this, al-Sabah's testimony has come to be regarded as a classic example of modern atrocity propaganda.
There is a wikipedia page about it, just search "Nayirah testimony".
It is often shocking how brazen these lies are, and how real they look.
You called me cynical before. Tell me what you think after looking through that.
The second video is called "Debunking A Century of War Lies", it was a very popular documentary on youtube, the Kuwait lie is a chapter of it.
It is later censored by Google, the entire channel was gone. I was surprised when I found that out. They also have their own web site, the video on that web site was tweeted before and I re-tweeted as well, then I found out the original tweet was gone, censored by twitter as well.
Interesting, isn't it?
As for easy to verify. I mean Ukraine has no chance to win the war against Russia.
If he is really a hero as you said, he will either die or be imprisoned soon.
But I bet that is not going to happen.
People are going to lie, especially politicians, by that I mean the both sides, but the result can't.
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Sorry this is happening. Putin /Russia deserve a fate full of bad karma .
shareHe will fight until the very last ukrainian.
I don't see that as being brave, with him hiding in the bunker, while everyone else is exposed - lol