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America's incel problem..


Look I know that a lot of people wanted this attempt on Trump's life to be some grand conspiratorial assassination attempt perpetrated by the left; or some ridiculous stunt perpetrated by the right to make Trump look cool or whatever.. But the truth of the matter is that Crooks was just an incel who was tired of being alone and picked on by everyone around him. He wanted to die; and wanted to be forever remembered for the killing of a president.. That is what all of the evidence shows. If Biden had been on that stage then Crooks would have been shooting at him.
The real thing that this nation needs to be talking about is what in the hell are we going to do with all the damn incels who are social awkward; can't even make friends with anyone, let alone have a girlfriend. They are dangerous because they are tired of life and only want to see the world burn..

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Actually according to classmates who knew him, he was never bullied, but merely stayed to himself or a small group of science nerds

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Classmates said that Crooks was bullied almost every day when he was in school
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVMtQ4piGR8

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Hmmm, Ok.. What makes it worse is both parents are Professional Counselors at that and couldn't even read their own kid which does make me suspicious the parents know more than Counsel will allow the Public to know

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That was one kid, anther kid, a young girl said that he had friends, was highly intelligent, quiet and kept his political views to himself, even as an assertive contributor in his political/history class. And she said that he wasn’t overtly bullied, teased maybe, but what high school kid isn’t teased from time to time, we all were.

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When I was a kid in school, several decades ago, bullying meant being physically assaulted by a stronger kid, or a group of kids. Today "bullying" goes absurdly beyond that, to include teasing and name calling, which we used to just regard as an annoyance.

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Exactly, and yes from time to time I was teased and my feelings were hurt, but ya know what, I always told those kids to fuck off and then some, and they usually if not always shut up and never bothered me again.

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Exactly, teasing and name calling meant you were getting picked on, bullying was when it turned physical. Neither one is good, but they are different levels. When you call everything bullying, it just conjures up the worst images possible, and it’s not always accurate.

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That person did NOT know him, they just wanted to be on TV. He had a small circle of friends.

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Ok.. That could be.

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Lol anyone who looks like that is bullied. Unless he was kept completely isolated from society by his parents growing up. That's just the reality of it.

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It's up to our young women to save America! If this kid was getting laid regularly, this would not have happened.

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Fuck off. Guys aren't entitled to sex.

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That entitlement is the reason you exist, so be thankful that your caveman ancestors had it. Also, keep in mind how ashamed they would be of you.

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hit em with that ether

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True. He would have something to live for, someone like that would not have gone to a suicide mission.

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what in the hell are we going to do with all the damn incels who are social awkward

Well stopping bullying them would be a good start .
It would be unreasonable to make people be friends with them , let alone lovers
but not bullying them doesent seem like a big ask.

Well actually it does - bullying seems to be human nature and we have thus far been unable to bring it under control.

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Bullying isn’t going anywhere, people are nasty little shits through and through, the answer as it relates to bullying is to prioritize raising children to know their worth and to stand up for themselves, even if it means kicking a bully in the dick and/or vag and being suspended for it.

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in reality thats probly true , its odd though that things like rape and murder are controlled with crime & punishment - AND are culturally stigmatised and classed as evil

Bullying however seems to get a "oh well boys will be boys" (or girls), nothing we can do and culturally tolerated / put up with.

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Agreed, and that’s a very sad and troubling truth.
In recent news a 13 year old boy stomped the head of an another kid during a basketball game and his parents are doing everything BUT taking responsibility, just excuses and deflection.

https://abc7news.com/post/13-year-old-basketball-player-stomps-opponents-head-bay-area-game/15083987/

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The fact that they are even talking about this as a basketball play is crazy. They jumped him. The first kid wasn’t scrambling for the ball, he doesn’t even see it when it rolls away at the end.

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We have been talking a lot of shit about cracking down on bullying and violence in schools, but every now and then we get a story that shows that the talk is bullshit.

So, what's going on?

I think we need to shit can the protections for minors so we can have a real look at shit that the lefties are doing in our schools.

I would be money that a good part of the problem is that the racist administrators and teachers are not willing to do what they need to, to keep non-white bullies in check.


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They mention bullying in the article, but only as far as the stomper getting bullied by adults. I guess we are supposed to feel bad for him?

I’m not sure what removing protections for minors would mean, but I think the lack of consequences is a problem. They said that he was getting anger management, and he wasn’t currently with the team. He should’ve been immediately kicked off of the team, and the kid that started it should’ve received a suspension, because no part of that was basketball. He started a fight, and his friend jumped in. The that kid seems to be getting pass, and they gaslighting what happened. You don’t get to scramble for the ball after you throw someone down, and it’s obvious he wasn’t even looking or the ball.

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What I mean by that is hte protections for minors to have their identity protected.

Administrators use that to stonewall on giving information to parents about the situations in our schools.

I worked with a woman who's daughter was being bullied by a "girl" who was wearing an ankle bracelet to school becasue she was on probation for crimes.

What crimes? We don't know. What was her criminal record? We don't know.


We have seen school administrators and teachers who have been happy to force children to go to school with danerous and violent thugs and crazy people.

And every time, they try to spin it, as though this was an isolated incident that came out of nowhere, adn we have no information on that, because all the information is hidden because the thugs and crazy people in qeustion are minors.

That needs to be undone. I don't trust them to have any concern for the well being of mine/our children.

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Let's be honest, none of this makes sense, because this retard more than likely didn't fire a shot. The democrat ran investigation into the assassination of a president will be about as clear as their pronouns.

Normally we'd have all kinds of deep investigations into who he is, what he thought, yet we're told nothing and the case is being shelved. clearly a democrat and deepstate hit.

But i don't think it's an incel problem, it's a liberal problem, these people are mentally disturbed. brainwash some whacko into believing that people want to stop him being non binary or identifying as a rabbit for long enough and these things happen.

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This is a problem that does not adhere to or have anything to do with political ideologies. It is not just a "liberal problem" as you are alleging. It is a societal problem that does not care which "side of the aisle" a person sits or leans toward. It's opinions and statements like this, from people like you, that give the Republican party a bad rap (and I can and will say this because I am a lifelong Republican, not an opportunist Republican like Trump who changed affiliations in order to run for POTUS). Think for yourself for once, instead of repeating the same nonsensical drivel that has become so commonplace with the GOP of today. The party of Lincoln deserves better than everyone who simply parrots back everything that Tucker Carlson or MTG spouts off.

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Yeah you're not a republican. you're doing that old trick where you say "i'm a republican but...."

so your argument has more weight to it.

"well even this republican says so!"

I've been online for more than a week, it doesn't work.

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Yeah you're not a republican. you're doing that old trick where you say "i'm a republican but...."


Oh bless your heart you poor misguided thing. You may be able to pull that card with some people out there, but not this Kentucky boy from the hills. I have cast Presidential election votes for George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush, Bob Dole, John McCain, Mitt Romney and Donald Trump (how far back can YOU say you've voted Republican?). My parents have voted Republican since 1960, and their parents voted Republican before them. Nice try though. You can now return to your mother's basement and play behind your computer some more.

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You SOUND like a Kentucky hillbilly. Thanks for confirming it.

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Trump definitely knew the crowd to inspire for votes.

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Why? Because I used a phrase that is commonplace in the southern U.S.? I wouldn't classify myself as a "hillbilly" however. I bettered myself and left that area of the state. I know my roots and I make no apologies for it.

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That guy was a registered Republican, but by all means, blame liberals because you hate them and think they are weird. You sound really ignorant.

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Lets see, why would a republican shoot another republican?

Why did the shooting come just after biden happened to do the worst debate ever and refused to step down?

Why did LE and the secret service refuse to do something about the countless people saying that someone was on the roof?

Why was the secret services handling of the situation so bad, that people have stepped down?

Clearly something is wrong, and if you had an IQ above 25 you'd see it too.

You more than likely think the covid vax makes you immune. some people have nuance and can read between the lines, some can't.

i've made my peace with the fact i have to live on the same planet as inferior people.

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Why would a republican shoot another republican? I don't know, that doesn't change the FACT that he was a registered republican. He was mentally ill obviously. That's enough of a reason.

Why did the shooting come just after biden happened to do the worst debate ever and refused to step down? What does that have to do with this kid's mental illness? He lived in Pennsylvania and had the opportunity to shoot a President who had come to his state, he likely thought that killing a president would make him famous, and it did.

Why did LE and the secret service refuse to do something about the countless people saying that someone was on the roof? That's a good question and deserves as much research as possible.

Clearly something is wrong, and if you had an IQ above 25 you'd see it too.
I never said something wasn't wrong. I said that the kid was a republican. It seems like you have reading comprehension problems. Maybe you should address that before saying that someone else has a low IQ, I feel embarrassed on your behalf.

You more than likely think the covid vax makes you immune. some people have nuance and can read between the lines, some can't.
No, I'm sure I believe, like most Americans do, what science shows us about the effectiveness of the vaccine. It doesn't make you immune, it is not 100% effective, no vaccine is. It's our best tool in protecting us from having a more severe case of the virus because it works with our bodies RNA to build up defenses against it. I'm really tired of people who know nothing about the vaccine or how it works complaining that it isn't a total cure.


i've made my peace with the fact i have to live on the same planet as inferior people.
How noble of you. You don't seem very tolerant but then again, I don't know you personally. Maybe you are better than you portray yourself to be here.

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This is essentially the wolves investigating the chicken murders...

So although it's tempting to believe i'm a nutjob conspiracy theorist... i'm really not! i actuallly think oswald killed kennedy, we went to the moon! the earth isn't flat!

However...party politics aside, do i believe any of this? NO, i don't. i don't believe some kid like this did what he did, i don't really believe he was a republican, i'm not even convinced he fired the shots.

So no, i don't believe any of it, as for the vaccine. it did nothing. my girlfriends parents got a phone call from the travel agent today sayng travel to greece isn't wise, that deaths of covid have took a sharp rise. and masks are back... all that after people are vaxxed and boosted 7 times?

insanity.

don't be silly. it's not "it's not 100% affective, but it did good"

it did nothing, it did less than nothing.

You kinda remind me of those people who appear on these infamous videos where they get asked what the capital of the US is, and they say "france!"

sadly theres a huge gap between what you think you know and what you really do know.

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Do you know anything about RNA, vaccines or viruses?

Because what you just said about the vaccine doing nothing and 'greece' says volumes about how little you know.

Also . . . who uses a travel agent in 2024?!

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People who have so much money they have someone making their travel plans.

while you're engaging in intercourse with men.

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"while you're engaging in intercourse with men."

What are you talking about?

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ok, with boys

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Wealthy people are too smart to pay someone else to do something they can do themselves online in five minutes, but nice try.

Ohhh I see, you were trying to insinuate that I'm a sexual pervert or something?

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Why would anyone kill John Lennon? Because some people are fucking crazy! I don’t see it like a Republican killing another Republican figure, I see it like a crazy person attempting to kill a popular figure.

I can understand why people want to throw politics into the equation, but sometimes, people are just fucking nuts…and they’re not always illegal aliens.

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jink: That guy was a registered Republican

More likely than not, he only registered Republican so he could vote against Trump in the primary. They have no record of him even voting, so more likely than not, he was too damn lazy to go to the polls that day.

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Agreed

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Incels are a small part of a much bigger problem, ie the break down of gender relations, and the institution of marriage, that is hurting nearly everyone in one way or another and doing great harm to our societies and nations.


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Introduce some proper gun control legislation and that would help address part of the problem.

Next, devote more resources to the mental health crisis. Doubtlessly exacerbated the pandemic and by hyper-partisanship.

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I didn't get laid in high school. In fact, I was completely invisible to girls, who never once even spoke to me. Yet, in spite of the fact that I had grown up in a house with handguns, rifles, and shotguns, and owned some myself, I never contemplated shooting anyone or doing anything else psycho. I worked on improving myself and overcoming my shyness. This guy's parents must have known something was off about him, and should have made damned sure he had no access to their guns.

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Exactly.. In eight grade my mom got me a set of weights for my 13th birthday and I really started to working out because I used to get bullied in grade school a lot.. I used to even watch videos of Sugar Ray Leonard boxing to learn as much as I could about how to fight. So, yes self improvement does go a long way and is in fact part of becoming a man.. However, what really needs to happen for people like Crooks is to have the "cooler" kids in school take them under their wing so to speak.. Other boys preferably.. To show the ropes.. How to dress. How to talk to girls.. Try to get them involved in sports, and so on.. If the outcasts start to feel like they are apart of something; then they will have no time to be inside of their own heads plotting how to destroy everything around them.

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However, what really needs to happen for people like Crooks is to have the "cooler" kids in school take them under their wing so to speak.

This was attempted when I was in 8th grade. We went on a school trip to Washington, DC. Four to a room. I was one of the "cool kids". Three of us had requested to room together, so teachers stuck one of these "loner, quiet" kids in our room. We weren't mean to him, but we didn't include him in our reindeer games. Not all kids "think this way" like we do as adults.

It's easy to sit here as adults and think 'perfect world', these kids should be inclusive of the losers in school, but it's just not realistic. Not that kids are all "Mean Girls", but thinking they'll have the morals and ideals that many of us now posess as grown-ups, just isn't going to happen.

I think we are raising kids to be more tolerant of race and sex, but these "quiet" kids fall through the cracks. These kids need more counseling (and his parents were BOTH counselors, ironically!) and force them into groups that will interest them: Chess Club, Math Club, Video game club, whatever. Being surrounded by friends is a huge morale boost for our youth.

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and ironically, both parents were counselors.

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