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If girls werent borderline hookers...


There'd be no victims.

Truth is they liked the money, the swanky lifestyle and probably even the sex.

I'm sorry to say this but they were complicit.

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Wow

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Yeah I know right? Like all hookers, they can't walk away from the money/lifestyle.

Hard to earn minimal wage after making bank.

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So Ghislaine Maxwell was found guilty because other women were borderline hookers? And underage girls too? Your argument makes no sense.

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Takes two to tango! She didn't recruit them at gunpoint. They got seduced by money and prestige.

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So she was found guilty because...?

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Under your logic, someone had anal sex with your mum for the right price…

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Underage = legal is almost every country on the planet.... don't be ridiculous. They are not pedophiles, the girls they were supplying were hot.

"underage" Britney Spears
https://www.rollingstone.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/BritneySpears2.jpg?w=838

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Having sex with someone underage is illegal.

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its a good thing no teenagers... anyone under 18, has ever had sex in their life, ever. that will never happen in reality because sex before age 18 is unnatural, not a normal thing any sub 18 person would ever be interested in.

our laws are a total refection of exactly how humans really operate, therefore, no one under 18 has ever had sex, and never will.

teen pregnancy doesn't exist. it was simply a show MTV created for the fun of the fiction of it.
We all know this is all true.
Thank god we have LAWS to keep the world on the right path. Laws work every time.


(do you smell it??)

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If two teens have sex, then it's not underage sex, it's just regular sex. Underage sex is illegal, immoral and gross.

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Personally, I'm not a big fan of pushing moral views onto others. But the fact is, older/younger relations happen. In fact, it's the topic of discussion in dozens of our books, movies, music etc..

I mean, in the book 'Lolita' the girl is only 12. In that movie, American Beauty, I think she's supposed to be 16.

In that movie, Diary of Teenage Girl, which is based on a true story, she's 15.

The list of examples is a mile long. Funny how this has been a part of storytelling for decades and somehow we pearl-clutch when it actually happens. Go figure...

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Can you please explain why sex between two 17 year olds is fine, but between a 17 year old and a 20 year old is immoral and gross?

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A 3 year age difference is legal. I'm talking more like 25 and 17.

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my last girlfriend was 10 years younger than me. we got along great.
when I was 16, she would have been 6. I'm just immoral and gross.

point is, we didn't decided laws based around the natural factor of when people are normally sexual and can reproduced - a NATURAL timeline. we did it around factory education, and controlling the hidden slavery, in our designed society. but, that makes it all good for the many. :)

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People below a certain age are incapable of making logical decisions and can be influenced unwillingly by someone out of their age group. As much as you could argue 18 as being arbitrary, at some point you have to set a standard. A 36-year-old dating a 26-year-old is completely different from a 16-year-old dating a 6-year-old.

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maybe our society dictated age of when someone is able to make these decisions is not matching with our realistic physiology.

MAYBE this is the primary cause of why our world is so fucked up: we work AGAINST our nature flow of life.

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""3 year age difference is legal""

Depends on what state you're in. In some countries/states 20 and 17 would be illegal.

I remember that story that came out about 8 or 9 years ago in regards to a 17 (maybe 18) year old girl that was sleeping with a girl that was 14. She got arrested for it. She didn't rape the girl, they were actually girlfriends. I wish I could remember their names but that seemed unjustified to me.

Sure, it gets a little strange when you see stories about 40 somethings sleeping with teenagers but what about 25 and 17? Is there really any reason why I should worry? I mean, since it's okay for "some" people to sleep with the underage but not others, I won't lose any sleep over teens sleeping with guys (or gals) in their 20s.


Not that I really care that much about AOC laws as they are now but I do think some adjustments could be made to them. I have no interest in chasing people for sleeping with the willing.

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Whoa, you hit some serious memories here. I remember that couple. I wonder what happened to them.

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I am not sure, I was thinking about this case the other day and wondering the same thing. I know the younger girl's parents got pissed off about the whole thing and pressed charges but I don't think the police really wanted to pursue it but the law said they had to.

I think John Stossel did a report on this case and other similar cases, there was one in regards to a group of middle-school kids going around and slapping each other on the butt and they all got arrested for it. I mean, I can understand when it's some fiend that rapes a young person but putting middle-school kids in jail for playing ass-tag is not something I think we need to do.

However, sex crimes have become a pretty big thing for law enforcement. It's considered a good way to fill up prisons now days. I wish I could find that video of Stossel doing a report on this but I can't find it.

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What a surprise, usually it's yourself that doesn't make sense.
The women haters section of MC always has to invent some kind of BS angle or they'd never post ... and they post a lot.

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No, their post doesn't make sense.

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people are annoyed with you, BECAUSE you usually speak truths and realities that make them uncomfortable to face, or they simply can not conceive that it is really true.

that's their problem to deal with.

keep up the good work. :)

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I agree. Few people say it, but it's true. They were getting paid a lot and kept coming back for more money. They mostly weren't held against their will. Some regretted it later when they grew up, but others just wanted a settlement.

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That's why the offence is called "corruption of a minor" in some countries. They pulled them into the seedy world of prostitution and even helped recruit more girls. That's messed up.

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This is a really messed up case. In the end we have laws and both Epstein and Ghislaine knew them and broke them anyway. I think Epstein was far and away more sick than Ghislaine, I think she was more into the lavish lifestyle and if that meant pleasing Epstein to the point of breaking laws so be it. Epsteins money fueled his sicko desires and he made up his own rules in stark contrast to American law.

Heck, I've been in poor countries where young ladies have very little rights but the country makes the law simple. If the young lady is 18 or older and has her I.D. card there is no crime. If she does not have I.D. NO excuse they will prosecute. Also, if she shows a fake I.D. they won't prosecute.

My whole point is to follow the laws of the country you reside in. If not, prepare to suffer the consequences.

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THIS POST SCREAMS UNLAID CRETIN TYPING ONE HANDED.

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Young women fucking their way into 9 figure lifestyles... even if its only temporary, they are not victims... many of us will never know such luxury.

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Yup. They got seduced by the lifestyle. Yeah it was a con job, "oh come and get paid $500 to learn to give a back rub". But most would know that if it's too good to be true, you need to keep away.

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hence why we dont let impressionable young kids do this sort of work., they are dumb, impressionable and dont understand consequences. good to see conservatives though here making excuses for pesos.

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She broke the law and finally she got punished. She deserves what she got.

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I haven't studied this case that much. Some of them probably were willing to do it and some of them not so willing but were coerced into it. I'm not sure that it's worth 20 years in jail though.

I think we do have knee-jerk reactions to older/younger relations for the most part. I could name at least 4 sexual things off the top of my head that I find way more depraved/disgusting than just some guy having consensual sex with an underage girl.

Forcing someone to do it is rather horrible though, no matter what the age is of the victim.

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Yes, locking people up for decades is a very expensive and cruel punishment.

No doubt what she did was evil, basically converting girls into hookers, but two years in jail would be long enough for her to think about what she has done.

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I completely disagree. Two years? That's not a deterrent, which is what the long sentence is about. There's no way Maxwell would ever traffic minors at this point after being caught, but she's not being incarcerated to keep her off the streets.

A two year sentence virtually guarantees anyone dealing in child sex trafficking is risking little compared to the money they are making.

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Do you think prison is a deterrent? Studies say it's not.

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Two years is a pretty light sentence for basically selling people.

But 20 years is also a bit of a stretch if the girls involved were willing to do it. I'm not sure how many, if any, were willing.

I would think 10 years in prison and maybe 500 hours of community service would be enough. Chances are that's all she'll do is about 10 years. She's a woman and they usually get better treatment and lighter sentences in these sexual cases than men do.



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I agree.

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Do you think prison is a deterrent?


Yes.

Studies say it's not.


The only alternative then is to summarily execute every convict to end recidivism.

One of my best friends served over 20 years for murder committed when he was 18. I met him a couple of years after he got out of prison. He hated it, and said he would never go back. He hasn't even had a parking ticket since he was released.

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You're right, sentencing Ghislaine to 20 years serves a two fold purpose. First, it punishes her for the crimes she committed. Second, it sends a stark message to anyone thinking about committing such heinous crimes.

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Take away the "borderline". They were prostitutes and extortionists.

20 years is too much, but that's the federal system for you. It's like Congress got bored when writing the laws (ok, the lobbyists who write the laws got bored) and just set 20 years for most federal crimes.

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