Is Tina Turner really rock?
After almost fifty years in the music business, Tina Turner has become one of the most commercially-successful international female rock stars to date.
I always considered her r&b and soul. share
After almost fifty years in the music business, Tina Turner has become one of the most commercially-successful international female rock stars to date.
I think you can make a case for a lot of her stuff being rock. She definately has a "rock" voice.
Nutbush City Limits, & her duet with Bryan Adams It's Only Love come to mind.
EDIT: Another one that I just thought of is Better Be Good To Me, from her Private Dancer album. That also got a lot of airplay (along with It's Only Love) on AOR radio at the time.
Oh, she definitely has a rock edge. But that doesn't mean she doesn't do some of the other genres as well.
shareI was surprised though that IMDb labels her as rock only. They don't even mention r&b. But IMDb does some shady stuff. I don't always trust their write-ups on people. They call Joe Biden an "actor". That's just silly.
shareAnybody can do the write-ups on IMDb and Wikipedia. You just sign in, click on the edit button, and write what you want to write. It gets reviewed and it'll either be published or rejected. But anybody that has an account with IMDb can write whatever pretty much. And it'll stay that way unless someone else edits it.
shareOkay, thanks April. That explains IMDb's shoddy write-ups and the inconsistency. I know of course Wikipedia can be edited by anyone. Trolls love that.
We can add that to the list of IMDb's crimes, beginning with how they shut down their message boards and threw away years of cutting edge commentary on film and entertainment. Luckily we have MovieChat which preserved it.
I foolishly thought IMDb's plot summaries and synopses were professional and authoritative. I stand corrected.
Anybody can do the write-ups on IMDb and Wikipedia
Just like Cher she’s dabbled with rock over the years.
shareI was curious to investigate the difference between rock and r&b. They are separate styles.
What Is R&B Music?share
Rhythm and blues, commonly known as R&B, is a musical genre developed by Black Americans in the 1940s that’s been continuously refined through the present day. R&B derived from gospel, jazz, folk, and traditional blues music and emerged in tandem with rock ‘n’ roll.
R&B notably diverged from rock music in later decades. Contemporary R&B is often driven by keyboards, synthesizers, strong bass lines, and looped drum beats. In this sense, it has more in common with hip hop than rock music.
https://www.masterclass.com/articles/r-and-b-music-guide
As someone else said, she definitely has a voice for rock. I wouldn't call most of her music (what I know of it) rock.
shareSteam Windows, steel claw, I wrote a letter...many hard rock songs
shareOkay, I was unfamiliar with some of those so I had a listen. You are correct. She did some strong rock n' roll.
But she did begin as r&b, a different genre than rock. I would edit the IMDb profile to say "female R&B and Rock stars".
She’s both. She was R&B first when she was with Ike Turner and backed by the Ikettes. This is when I liked her the best. “I Idolize You” was one of my favorites. I loved Ike Turner and the Ikettes. But something happened in the 60s where a lot of R&B artists kind of connected with rock due to the times and when British rock embraced American Blues. And with her, probably because of Jagger. She opened a Stones’ concert with The Yardbirds in 1966. Later in early 70s, when she sang Proud Mary, that was memorable. She was still with the Ikettes at this point. And then, when she separated from Ike and went solo in the 80s, she was now a Rock queen with “What’s Love Got to Do With It.” And then later, she moved to Switzerland and got married in the 90s.
shareInteresting analysis. So she evolved into rock after she left Ike.
shareIn the 80s for sure. But British rock loved American R&B - in fact, the whole world loved American jazz and R&B. So there was a lot of concerts that say Rolling Stones had with someone like Stevie Wonder or another Motown artist. And that’s also why you get Van Morrison, Tom Jones, Eric Burden, and Eric Clapton playing with BB King and Led Zeppelin playing Willie Dixon, Yardbirds playing Smokestack Lightning. It goes on. But with Tina, I think Jagger had a big influence on her success as a rock singer. But it was David Foster who launched one of the biggest comebacks ever.
shareYes, and I really admire the British. Though all the relevant music genres were born in the U.S. with African-Americans - blues, jazz, r&b and rock - the Brits really made rock n' roll. All the best bands are British.
shareBut then there’s Elvis. A lot of American greats literally ended. Really early. Like Hendrix, Janis, Jim Morrison, Kurt Cobain. And one of my favorites, Layne Staley of Alice In Chains. And let’s not forget great American folk music and country that influenced rock. Music is fluid. But there is nothing like the early British bands and British blues. Rock started with Black church gospel that then became blues and then the beginning of rock and the Brits took that and made the best music ever. And many belonged to more than one great band. Steve Marriott was in Faces and then Humble Pie. Not to mention Jeff Beck, Clapton, the list goes on and on. And also let’s not forget the first two British bands that changed the world.
shareSure, lots of great American bands. But lets not forget Neil Young is Canadian!
I will say one thing. Though folk and country are great genres in their own right, I think they have influenced American rock often to its detriment. I think that's why the British have a larger number of epic bands for their smaller population. I mean the UK has 70 million people and the U.S. has 330 million people, U.S. almost 5 to 1. Yet I dare say over half the great rock bands are British.
Not a Dylan fan then? Or Johnny Cash? I was never a Grateful Dead fan - maybe you mean this one? I take it this is what you mean by those genres influencing American rock to its detriment. Today I was out to see World Cup and the music was really good where I was. I had forgotten how good Bobby Womack’s California Dreamin’ was - and that’s one of the greatest soul artists singing a song by John Phillips of the Mamas & Papas.
I do agree with you about British bands. I think there were time periods where American and British were both great, and that was a long time ago. Music always marches on, but there was a golden age. Maybe a couple of them.
Actually no, not a Dylan fan. Hate his whiny nasally voice. Can't stand Grateful Dead. I have issues with both acts because I have an ex who loved them and I was forced to listen to them. Lol. Johnny Cash and Mamas & Papas I have much respect.
But I really wasn't bashing country and folk. I just think they are such strong influences in American music, that they adulterated rock. Whereas in England without country and folk, the rock was purer. Also, American top 40 tends to push pop, not rock.
Elvis in the 50's was when American rock was dominant. But then in the 60's there was the Beatles and the Stones and the British invasion. Then in the 70's there was the British punk invasion.
Dylan was/is big here?? US. His writing is good. I love All Along the Watchtower by Hendrix not Dylan. Hated the Dead except for Me and My Uncle - written by John Phillips. I too had an ex that was a dead head and it was extreme torture.
shareHaha. My ex was a deadhead too. He revered Bob Dylan which was a little bizarre because he was black. And he hated soul and hip hop.
Yeah, I'd say Bob Dylan was a megastar here.
That’s funny. I have always loved music like Esther Phillips. Gil Scott heron. And Nina Simone but no one else I knew did. There was also reggae moments going to the islands. I did really like the British bands and I know quite a bit about them and all American. But just so so with hip hop. It amazes me how a lot countries have their hip hop and watching French or Icelandic is kind of funny too. This column is getting really narrow.
shareInteresting. My black ex told me about Nina Simone. "Mississippi Goddamn!" That really cracked him up. But I had never listened to her. Years after we split, I heard her and love her!
I hate to keep emphasizing his race. But it's just that my ex hated popular black music so intensely. But he exposed me to rock music inside and out and taught me all about classic rock.
For a black guy to like The Dead is about one in a million. That’s really rare. I wonder who his favorites are. I discovered Nina early on. I don’t know how. But I think it was her version of I put a spell on you. Very NOLA. It’s funny. There are different songs you associate the person you are with at the time. when you hear a song, it brings it all back. I have that with a few songs but one in particular. And it’s not a popular one so when I do hear it, I stop everything.
shareTo duplicate the vocal stylings of Bobby Zimmerman, I mean, DYLAN—yeah, that’s it: Dylan, ‘cause he never changed his Jewish name or anything—insert an alley cat tail first into an active Cuisinart.
“The poet of his generation”!!?? No. That would be Jim Morrison. Dylan was puke.
The Jewish conspiracy!
Dylan was a good lyricist though.
Ike Turner's "Rocket 88" is proposed as a candidate for the "first rock-and-roll song" for forever...
shareHmmm. The genesis of rock.
shareIke was a great and underrated musician.
shareIke was also vilified and his reputation destroyed over domestic abuse as well. This may be one reason why he's underrated and often forgotten.
shareI know. But I think people didn’t know him first or at least that well before the abuse. Maybe because he was in the background and Tina and the Ikettes were out front. Whereas James Brown you knew first and then you heard really bad things later. Same with Rick James. So, the abuser who is a musician vs. the musician who did some stuff. And it didn’t go very well having the movie become really famous and you see this guy - Lawrence Fishburne doing Ike. It was probably a lot worse for Tina - maybe - and she managed to do this great comeback because she had very little money but a lot of music friends who helped her. And I am glad that she’s known for being a great performer and not someone famous because they suffered abuse. She made money and left for Europe never to return. Her son committed suicide recently and that was a huge loss. Her health isn’t that good but she did get to live a better life whereas Ike I think ended up in San Marcos. I think he OD’d after being sober for 10 years. He had a crazy life and he had a crazy start being from Louisiana. It was never going to go better for him. As far as music goes, I liked when she was with Ike more than later. Flawed geniuses everywhere.
shareShe has done rock songs. So yes.
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