Don't deport us?


U.S. farm industry groups want President-elect Donald Trump to spare their sector from his promise of mass deportations, which could upend a food supply chain heavily dependent on immigrants in the United States illegally.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-farm-groups-want-trump-spare-their-workers-deportation-2024-11-25/

Nearly half of the nation's approximately 2 million farm workers lack legal status, according to the departments of Labor and Agriculture, as well as many dairy and meatpacking workers.

Farmers have a legal option for hiring labor with the H-2A visa program, which allows employers to bring in an unlimited number of seasonal workers if they can show there are not enough U.S. workers willing, qualified and available to do the job.
The program has grown over time, with 378,000 H-2A positions certified by the Labor Department in 2023, three times more than in 2014, according to agency data.
But that figure is only about 20% of the nation's farm workers, according to the USDA. Many farmers say they cannot afford the visa's wage and housing requirements. Others have year-round labor needs that rule out the seasonal visas.

Some people I talk to feel that they are entitled to have an easy to exploit "underclass" of people who perform cheap labor for them to keep prices low. This is why they are opposed to raising the minimum wage or having any minimum wage at all.

Growing, producing, harvesting and moving food is extremely important, a living wage should be paid for all of those people who do that kind of work. Don't want to pay someone a living wage to make your food, then make it yourself, right?

Regardless of what side your on, do you want to see every illegal farm worker deported?

I think Trump will fold on deporting all illegals just like he did on prosecuting Clinton and building the wall. Does anyone think Trump will actually go through with farm worker deportations?

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I am asking for a MTGA hat for Christmas.

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Illegal? Deported, it's very simple to understand and it doesn't need any additional qualifiers after illegal.

Illegal farm worker - Deported
Illegal factory worker - Deported
Illegal office worker - Deported
Illegal delivery worker - Deported

De-por-tations.

https://x.com/MiyagiDo_78/status/1861697187215749358

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Is that be cause you wanted that farm job?
or ... whats your motivation?
how does mexicans working illegally on farms for peanuts actually affect you?

just curious.

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I'm not here to teach economics to retards.

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Yes, deport illegal aliens. But my question was, do you think Trump will side with the law as it is written, or side with the farmers that want cheap labor and keep the illegals in the country?

I think Trump will keep the illegal work force in place on the farms.

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Illegal? Deported, it's very simple to understand and it doesn't need any additional qualifiers after illegal.

Illegal farm worker - Deported
Illegal factory worker - Deported
Illegal office worker - Deported
Illegal delivery worker - Deported

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This is a tough issue with no easy answers. I live in a small town surrounded by farms. I know some farm owners personally. They have a very hard time getting people to actually work. They show up drunk or high or not at all.

If illegals are willing to work, put a system in place to get them their green cards. Make farmers pay them a decent wage.

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well dont expect any solutions from mr miyagi he's " not here to teach economics to retards." apparently

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I could explain it, the question is would you understand it, and the answer to that question is a resounding no.

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Is that how you tell us that you do not actually understand it yourself?

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Illegal? Deported, it's very simple to understand and it doesn't need any additional qualifiers after illegal.

Illegal farm worker - Deported
Illegal factory worker - Deported
Illegal office worker - Deported
Illegal delivery worker - Deported

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You said you "could explain it", but all you have done is repeat the same thing over and over.

What do you think Trump will do?

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Illegal? Deported, it's very simple to understand and it doesn't need any additional qualifiers after illegal.

Illegal farm worker - Deported
Illegal factory worker - Deported
Illegal office worker - Deported
Illegal delivery worker - Deported

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You are a one trick pony and a broken record. Is this your A game? Probably. :)

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No need to re-record when he nailed it on the first take.

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Why does he feel the need to re-post? None of his duplicate posts come close to addressing the OP.

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Does anyone think Trump will actually go through with farm worker deportations?

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This MAGA username is just trolling when he spams that. Obviously he doesn't care enough to actually discuss his support of deporting illegal aliens.

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Did you read what this idiot just posted? He is seriously trying to claim that Kamala is tougher on the border than Trump. Does he really think anyone is going to believe his bullshit?

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There are millions of Americans who would do farm work for good wages despite your anecdotal evidence. You say it yourself, make farmers pay a decent wage. Why aren't they already paying them a decent wage? Because cheap labour provided by illegal workers have driven the wages down to a level not considered decent. Deport illegals, pay decent wages , entice American workers.

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I am not saying that no Americans would not do farm work for decent wages. Don’t know that there are millions. Where is your evidence?
I actually do not even know what these farmers were paying. I was just trying to point out that many Americans have crappy work ethics. Or maybe it is just where I live.

I have “anecdotal evidence” from all the jobs I have held in this town. Besides my regular job, I have a part time restaurant job. I cannot even remember in the past two years how many employees have come and gone. They call in sick or do not show up at all. Many Americans just do not want to WORK. There are plenty of able bodies people in this town with EBT cards, just hanging out with their cell phones, tattoos and cigarettes.

As much as Americans should come first, many do not want to work. If people want to come here and work, there needs to be a way to help them. Of course do it legally. One of our cooks at the restaurant just got his citizenship last summer. He did it legally. And the man works incredibly long hours. I admire that.

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You ask for evidence of my claims yet provide nothing but anecdotes yourself. Where's your evidence? I don't think your anecdotes are enough of a reason to let millions of illegals stay in the country.

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Do you seriously want me to name names?😊

My evidence is in what I observe and deal with at work. Or doesn’t personal experience count for diddly squat?

I don’t think we are on opposing sides. I definitely want legal immigration.

But the reality is that immigrants ( in any country) are the ones who do the boring, dangerous or hardest menial jobs. I live in what was coal country. Who do you think the miners were back in the early 1900’s? A lot of my ancestors from Central Europe, the Irish too.

I do not believe in giving welfare benefits and everything else to illegals. But there has to be a middle ground. Many people come here desperately looking for work. There should be a way to admit them and allow them to take the jobs that, face reality, many Americans refuse to do.

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The middle ground is they enter the country legally, get a green card and work legally like you said. If they've already entered the country illegally then they are willing to break other laws.

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Yes you are right. My problem is sometimes I can be contrary. I was 100% behind deportations during the campaign.

But when it comes to reality, I get a bit wishywashy. I think I start to play devil’s advocate just to hear what people will say.

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Yeah I get you, there nothing wrong with playing devil's advocate and I do it fairly often myself. Sorry if I came off as a bit hostile, it wasn't really my intention but I can get animated and be a blunt twat occasionally.

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No problem. Didn’t seem hostile.

Sometimes I try to take an opposing argument to find out if people will stick up for my original argument.

I should have more confidence.

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All good.

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You're a broken record. What do you think Trump will do? Why do you think Trump will drive up prices by getting rid of cheap labor?

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Illegal? Deported, it's very simple to understand and it doesn't need any additional qualifiers after illegal.

Illegal farm worker - Deported
Illegal factory worker - Deported
Illegal office worker - Deported
Illegal delivery worker - Deported

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Every single illegal is going back. What part of that don't you understand?

Every. Single. Illegal. Is. Going. Back.

Tell me which word you're stuck on and and I'll try and help you out.

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No they are not. Trump will allow his big business buddies to exploit illegals instead of paying a living wage to Americans. Don't be so naive.

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Sounds like far left conspiracy theories. Utterly pathetic.

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Not at all. More illegals entered the USA while Trump was president compared to the number deported by Trump. The same president who refused to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it will not deport a significant number of illegals. It will make him look bad to his big business buddies if he takes away their cheap labor.

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"Refused to build a wall"? That's pure Democrat lying. Every obstacle--legal, political, and financial--was thrown in Trump's way by Democrats to prevent a wall being built. Then they lie and say he "refused" to do build it. Democrats live in a psychological fantasy world of lies.

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Trump promised to build a wall. Trump did not promise to build a wall as long as the democrats allowed him to do so. Trump's failure obviously meant that Trump lied.

Do you really think Trump was so stupid as to think no one would stand in his way when it came time to build the wall and make Mexico pay for it?

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Again, your political predictions are worth less than the dump I took first thing this morning. They're all going back.

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Ranb is a very special kind of stupid. He/she states that he/she cannot vote for Trump because Trump apparently isn’t conservative enough yet openly defends far left policies.

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Ranb is as transparent as glass, you'd think the embarrassment of literally every prediction they made about Trump being arse-backwards would send them into hiding but they seem quite proud to make these retarded claims. Adds a whole new spin on the phrase Ignorance is bliss

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What claims are those? Going to man up and actually put them in writing?

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Illegal? Deported, it's very simple to understand and it doesn't need any additional qualifiers after illegal.

Illegal farm worker - Deported
Illegal factory worker - Deported
Illegal office worker - Deported
Illegal delivery worker - Deported

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Which far left policies have I defended? You cannot name a single one and prove it. The MAGA says the RKBA is a leftist policy though, is that what you're talking about?

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They will not if Trump has anything to say about it. Why did Trump let millions of illegals remain in the USA from 2017 to 2021? If Trump was unwilling or unable to do anything about all of them back then, why would he do anything differently in 2025?

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Illegal? Deported, it's very simple to understand and it doesn't need any additional qualifiers after illegal.

Illegal farm worker - Deported
Illegal factory worker - Deported
Illegal office worker - Deported
Illegal delivery worker - Deported

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The thing that irks me is that they're saying they're sending back the ones who are breaking the law, first. I'm sorry, but coming into the country illegally IS breaking the law.

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Exactly, then some will try to muddy the waters and claim they're not illegal immigrants they're seeking asylum, well they can be deported then seek asylum through the correct channels can't they.

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Overstaying a visa or entering illegally (at least for the first time) is a civil violation, not a criminal violation. Do you think the non-violent civil violators should be deported prior to the violent illegal aliens?

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325

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I think Trump's plan for deporting the violent offenders first is a good one.

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Is there an actual plan, or is it just a figment of Trump's imagination? Link?

Why delay the deportation of non-violent illegals while waiting for the violent ones to be deported?

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I think one of the things they're going to do is make it illegal to employ illegals again. They used to do that. We'll see what happens. You want specifics, and I'm not part of the transition team, so I can't help you. I only know that someone who actually sees violent illegals and illegals driving down wages as a problem is better than Biden/Harris. You are either argumentative for the sake of being argumentative, or you think otherwise.

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It is useless to make it illegal to employ illegal aliens, unless it is enforced. There are verification laws that are routinely ignored.

https://www.uscis.gov/i-9-central/form-i-9-resources/statutes-and-regulations

Verification of status has been a thing since 1986. But even Trump ignored the law so he could hire illegals. What makes you think Trump is going to do anything different this time around?

I made it very clear that I think Trump will do little or nothing to address the problem of illegal immigration.

If Trump thought hiring illegals was a problem, then why does Trump hire illegals?

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It goes without saying that it would have to be enforced. That Thomas Homan guy sounds like he doesn't intend to mess around. Trump doesn't have to pussy-foot to make liberals happy this time around. Again, that Homan guy sounds serious!
"But how can we do this and not separate families?" a reporter whined.
"Deport the children with the adults," Border Czar Homan said.
He sounds serious.

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What was Trump doing last time to make anyone happy? I think Homan is mostly talk. We will see.

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The one thing I will always remember about the pandemic was someone posting about a couple of people in his office when they heard about the upcoming lockdowns. They were seriously jumping up and down with glee: "There goes Trump's economy! The only thing he can get elected on, and it's going down the tubes!"

So there's that -- even intelligent Democrats knew that before the pandemic, he had a great economy. He listened to Fauci and Birx and flushed it. But until then, we had cheap gas and a booming economy. Too bad for the Dems, the minorities that they love to set against one another and claim they're going to help -- then don't, because they need to claim they're going to help them in another four years -- were awakened to the fact that whatever The View or MSNBC told them, they and their families did better under Trump.

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So remember when Trump said he could do anything per the Constitution? This included forcing the governors to keep the economy open and prohibiting lock downs.

The cheap gas you're remembering is from the time of the lock downs when prices fell due to greatly reduced demand.
https://www.energy.gov/sites/default/files/styles/full_article_width/public/2023-07/FOTW_1297.png?itok=IDUjXblg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._state_and_local_government_responses_to_the_COVID-19_pandemic

I was doing better prior to Trump's election and after Trump left office. Primarily because of the pandemic that Trump mismanaged. My net worth is increasing every month, even in retirement.

The increased inflation during Biden's term limited the increase in my net worth, but it never went down. While inflation was lower during Trump's term, it is hard to inflate prices when the economy is so depressed by the lock downs that Trump so willingly allowed.
https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-inflation-rates/

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How nice for you that your experience was different from the majority of Americans.

Biden had a government and a media devoted to gaslighting the public. "Don't believe your lying eyes," those of us who went to the store were told. "The economy is fantastic!" Unfortunately, those of us of the Great Unwashed were hit by sticker shock.

But you did well. Mazel tov.

I will agree with you that Trump never should have listened to the Dems, Fauci, and Birx. They kept screaming that if we didn't lock down, keep kids home, wear masks, etc., we were all granny killers. He should have fired them all.

But the way you argue, you'll probably tell me you don't remember any of that, and find articles and government stats that claim it never happened. Ah, well. The rest of us lived through it and remember it. And the insistence on telling us that we didn't experience what we did, or because you were one of the lucky ones who were doing so well you weren't touched by it, is something conservatives are hoping y'all will continue to say for the next four years. It's what got Trump elected.

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I can't believe people actually arguing about things like that.

Isn't the solution quite obvious?

U.S. farm industry groups should ask government to grant seasonal short term work visas to migrant workers, so they can work in US legally.

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Why not make the pay good enough to attract Americans instead?

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The wages will rise when we deport the illegals, glad you've finally caught up.

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That is the point. Trump will not deprive businesses of their cheap labor. Trump refused to deport them all the last time he was in office. He will not do so this time. Why do you think Trump is going to do anything different?

Are you going to get a farm labor job after the deportation starts? If they start that is.

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Democrats are the ones who seem to want the slave labor. They're now howling that their guacamole and avocado toast is going to cost more. 🙄

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So Trump is one of those Democrats hiring illegals then? https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/trump-organization-undocumented-workers

Are you claiming that all of our food, that is harvested by illegals, is on farms owned by Democrats? https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/farmers-beg-trump-not-to-deport-the-immigrants-they-use-for-cheap-labor/ar-AA1uJPRA

Let me guess, you only eat pure MAGA food that is unsullied by illegal immigrant hands?

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I'm just saying that the whining I'm hearing now is coming from Democrats who want their slave labor. Not a good look, btw.

"Let me guess, you only eat pure MAGA food that is unsullied by illegal immigrant hands?" That's a silly argument. I'd say it was beneath you, but obviously it isn't.

I live on a farm. I grow much of my own food. Even disabled, I can do it.

Quite frankly, we don't actually need all the illegals picking the crops. It's gotten this way because of bad laws barring minors from the fields, and people who sit at home with a "Beulah, peel me a grape!" attitude about how they should get their produce. Once upon a time, people went out to farms and picked their own. Beulah may not be around to peel your grapes anymore.

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Then why do people like Trump and other wealthy people want easy to exploit illegals working for them instead of hiring more Americans?

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Why did Biden/Harris leave the back door to America open to get so many illegals into this country? You're blaming Trump and stupidly saying that Trump won't deliver on his border promises because he wants slave labor. It's the DEMS who've let so many illegals in. They appear to be the ones who want the cheap labor. And when we talk about deportations there's always folks like you saying no one will pick the crops or do the work in housing, etc. if we don't have illegals to do it for us because they're not high-paying jobs. But as I told you, folks like you are going to have to lose that, "Beulah, peel me a grape!" attitude. There are lots of white people have done those jobs and continue to do them. They just don't expect to be living high off the hog while they're doing them.

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I am also blaming Trump for doing the same things that most other president do.

Of course Trump is not going to deliver on his promises. He proved that during his first term. What promises did Trump deliver on? The wall is not complete, Clinton is still not in prison. Illegals are still in the country.

The desire for cheap labor transcends party lines. It of course Democrats and Republicans who want cheap labor. But this is the Trump section of the forum, so I'm talking about Trump. Trump just got re-elected and is making more promises he has no intention of keeping. But I might be wrong.

Are you telling me that Trump hires illegal aliens because the Democrats want him to do so? https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/trump-organization-undocumented-workers

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I've lived long enough to know that the second term is different from the first, because the President in question won't be seeking reelection.

He won't keep all his promises, no. The Dems will give him fierce pushback, and he doesn't have such a commanding majority in either House. Some bills he wants passed will likely be defeated. But he'll damage his party if he doesn't finish the wall and at least get out the illegals who are dangerous criminals and who are taking jobs from Americans.

I'm saying that it isn't conservatives who are saying every field worker needs to have a "living wage," and we need our little brown underclass to keep us in avocado toast. Of course, when the lovelies on MSNBC say it, it isn't racist at all. Not a bit.

We've gotten to the "Too silly! Too silly!" part of the argument, and the big foot from Monty Python has come down.

Glad you did so well for the last four years. Trump's victory must have been a complete mystery to you.

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Illegal? Deported, it's very simple to understand and it doesn't need any additional qualifiers after illegal.

Illegal farm worker - Deported
Illegal factory worker - Deported
Illegal office worker - Deported
Illegal delivery worker - Deported

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https://x.com/MiyagiDo_78/status/1861697187215749358

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They used to come in on Green Cards for seasonal labor.

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It has to be done and Trump better deliver. The appointed border czar is a man of steel, I cannot wait to see him in action! Starting with the governor of Denver lol

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Why would Trump deliver? What is the MAGA going to do, refuse to vote for him next time? Trump did not deliver last time he was in office. Only the chumps think he will do better this time.

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No, the chumps thought he was going to jail. Remember how you thought that? And what happened? Oh yeah he got voted POTUS elect and is now in a stronger political position than he's ever been lol

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So Trump will keep his promises the 2nd time instead of the 1st time he was in office? Why does that make any sense to you at all?

Trump can still go to prison in 2029. He is more likely to leave the country or eat himself to death instead.

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Try to be more positive dude. Trump is obviously very popular and he is a strong figure, look at the world Outlook, markets are going crazy over Trump's victory, corpse Biden meanwhile is trying to drag us all into a war in the middle of nowhere

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Trump was very popular when he refused to build a wall and get Mexico to pay for it and when he had a gun grab instead of supporting our civil rights. I will not be positive in the presence of such a downer of a person.

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Head ups, when Ranb uses the term “gun grab” he is referring Bump Stocks which is not a gun. In the meantime Kamala openly said she was in favor of a mandatory buy back which Ranb suspiciously doesn’t really seem to express a lot of outrage towards.

Ranb is a liar, don’t believe his bullshit.

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"Ranb is a liar, don’t believe his bullshit.

Most of us already dont.

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Trump and said bump stocks are guns. Are you calling Trump a liar? How is it that you don't understand how gun control works in the USA? Here is the proof that bump stocks were legally classified as firearms from 2019 to 2024, thanks to Trump.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2018-12-26/pdf/2018-27763.pdf

bump-
stock-type devices—meaning ‘‘bump
fire’’ stocks, slide-fire devices, and
devices with certain similar
characteristics—are ‘‘machineguns’’

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Definition of gun: a device that propels a projectile using explosive or pressure force. Can be rifles, handguns and shotguns or they can be larger canons.

And no I’m not calling Trump a liar, I’m calling you a liar.

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Oh, so you're one of those people who claims that they decide what a gun is and not the government? You are more powerful than Congress or the president?

I supplied the definition of a machine gun as far as bump stocks go, do you believe it or not?

Trump had the authority to define a bump stock as a firearm. Do you think that is not true?

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No I’m using the literal definition you doofus. Oh I see so if the federal government says something it must be true? Do you have any idea how moronic that sounds? Everyone on here thinks you’re a joke, Kamala is a joke, your cult is a joke and you people are going to be out of office and in the backseat for a while unless you get your heads out of your asses and ditch the cult behavior.

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So if Trump or any other president (they are part of the federal government) defines a firearm, then it is moronic?

Why do you claim that your definition of a gun is better than the definition provided by the government as stated in federal law? Unless you're quoting the US code to define a firearm, your claim is just something you made up, accurate or not.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/921

(3) The term “firearm” means (A) any weapon (including a starter gun) which will or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive; (B) the frame or receiver of any such weapon; (C) any firearm muffler or firearm silencer; or (D) any destructive device. Such term does not include an antique firearm.

As you can see, in the USA a firearm is more than something that "propels a projectile using explosive or pressure force".

The feds also include silencers and various gun parts in their definition of firearms.

Firearms are also defined here; https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/5845 It also includes machine gun parts all by themselves.

In 2006, Bush banned spring loaded bump stocks by classifying them as contraband machine guns. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/ruling/2006-2-classification-devices-exclusively-designed-increase-rate-fire/download This ban is still in force.

In 2019 Trump banned the rest of the bump stocks the same way. https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2018-12-26/pdf/2018-27763.pdf

In 2022 Biden banned forced reset triggers by classifying them as contraband machine guns. This ban is still in effect. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/open-letter/all-ffls-mar-2022-open-letter-forced-reset-triggers-frts/download

In 2024 the Supreme Court struck down Trump's gun grab. The court said the ATF (by Trump's order) was wrong to classify bump stocks as machine guns. That was the job of Congress. https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/garland-v-cargill/


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No Trump can't still go to prison in 2029 because to deter that the entire corrupt DOJ is going to be replaced and those who engaged in corrupt lawfare are going to jail for a long time.
And any other predictions about Trump you care to make may as well have a streaky skidmark across them from where I wipe my arse on them.

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If Trump can replace the entire corrupt DOJ in 2025, the next president can replace them again with people who comply with the law instead of kissing Trump ass, like the new ones that Trump brings in.

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Aw that's cute, he thinks there won't be a MAGA candidate in the White House for the next 3 cycles! 😂

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Yes if you are an illegal immigrant you should be deported because you are here illegally. Whatever repercussions that has on the “farm workers” that you’re inventing are the faults of Brandon and Kamala who allowed the illegals in in the first place.

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On that we agree. Do you think Trump will deport a significant number of illegals? Why or why not?

Illegals have been part of the the American landscape since long before Biden and Harris were elected. More illegals entered the USA than Trump deported while he was president. This makes Trump part of the problem and not part of the solution.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/03/02/how-border-apprehensions-ice-arrests-and-deportations-have-changed-under-trump/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/329256/alien-apprehensions-registered-by-the-us-border-patrol/

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Whether or not they have always been here is irrelevant you dishonest little shit. They are not supposed to be here, they should be deported. No one is above the law.

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Then why did Trump allow them to stay or continue to enter by the hundreds of thousands while he was president?

What did I say that was dishonest? Why is a personal attack the best you can come up with?

Trump says he is above the law.

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Whether that’s true or not is irrelevant. Illegal immigration was much much much lower under Trump than Kamala and Brandon. Trump did not endorse illegal immigration unlike Brandon and Kamala, the fact that it did occur on his watch behind his back is irrelevant.

We had record low illegal border crossings under Trump, if he just gets the numbers back down to the levels of his first term that will be good enough for me.

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How much lower? Got any evidence at all to support your claim?

Trump whole heartedly endorsed illegal immigration and employing illegals when he hired them to work on his properties. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/trump-organization-undocumented-workers

Trump says he will deport them all. Merely lowering the levels to what he was happy with when he was president last time is not good enough. Trump is just telling another lie.

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https://usafacts.org/articles/what-can-the-data-tell-us-about-unauthorized-immigration/

Yep right there, they all of a sudden started going up a lot in 2021.

Oh I see, so if Trump doesn’t lower rates enough that’s no good? So we should have just stuck with Kamala who would not have done a thing about illegal immigration? I refuse to believe you are stupid enough to believe that.

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If Trump does not keep his promise he is a liar. If Trump keeps on employing illegals, then that's no good. If Trump keeps on protecting those who employ illegals instead of putting them in prison, that is no good. Get it now?

Why do you think Harris would have done nothing? Under Biden, lots of people were deported. https://usafacts.org/answers/how-many-people-were-deported-from-the-us/country/united-states/

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For crying out loud, are you seriously trying to assert that Kamala and Brandon were tougher on illegals than Trump? That’s a load of shit and I think you know that. I just showed you that illegal border crossings skyrocketed under Brandon, all you’ve perpetuated are irrelevant conspiracy theories. We were safer under Trump, man up and admit it you coward. Tom Homan is actually seriously about enforcing border laws and Kamala needs to be held accountable for her role in Laken Riley’s murder and every other innocent, law abiding citizen who was murdered and/or raped by one of Kamala’s illegal immigrants.

Illegal immigration was at record low levels under the Trump administration. Kamala and Brandon destroyed all the progress Trump made and actively aided and abetted a foreign invasion at the border, which is literally treason.

You are a liar and you are a far left Kamala supporter, don’t even try denying it anymore.

EDIT: Your source is dishonest. Deportations from interior enforcement went down under Kamala and Brandon, the only area where it was higher than the Trump years is border deportations in 2024 https://econofact.org/immigrant-deportations-trends-and-impacts, and geez it’s almost as if illegal immigration goes down, that would mean deportations would go down, derp derp. Dumbass. Under Brandon and Kamala, illegal immigration went up and deportations went down.

Also your other “source” is a blog that does not give any specifics, not to mention it comes from a source that hates Trump. You are really drowning here. Quit spewing your lies and I have legitimate reasons to question your patriotism.

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I didn't say Biden and Harris were tougher, I said they deported lots of people. You claimed they did nothing, that was an obvious lie.

You actually think no one was deported when Biden was in office?

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The data contradicts all of your lies. As for your second comments I never said that and you are arguing a strawman.

We won, you lost and hopefully your idols Kamala and Brandon are put in prison by President Trump. We need to make sure no one as stupid and radical as those two fuckers ever takes power again.

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I do not idolize anyone, least of all any politician. But you are a cult member, so that kind of thinking is alien to you.

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Yes you do, you are a hardcore liberal cultist and you will never go against the nonsense your cult has brainwashed you with no matter how idiotic it sounds. Trump supporters are not cultists, they are just patriotic Americans who want the American Dream to be available to everyone. Trump is a moderate who wants to unite the country. You people are a bunch of butthurt obstructionist, insurrectionist domestic terrorists. CPS should seriously be looking into everyone who voted Kamala to see if it’s safe for their children to be around them.

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How is Trump's gun grab uniting the country? Just like his felony convictions and his rapey attitude?

Why did you vote for Harris?

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The data contradicts all of your lies. As for your second comments I never said that and you are arguing a strawman.

We won, you lost and hopefully your idols Kamala and Brandon are put in prison by President Trump. We need to make sure no one as stupid and radical as those two fuckers ever takes power again.

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Crickets?????

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The advantage of being old:
I'm old enough to know that in the old days there were Mexicans who got Green Cards, followed the crops, and when the season was over, they went back to Mexico to be with their families.

People don't even ask why school isn't year 'round everywhere. Why are kids let out every summer? Because, in the old days, we kids picked crops, too. We picked all kinds of berries and beans. Some picked cucumbers after school in the fall. It was a yearly ritual. Folks wonder how one income supported entire families -- the kids made money enough to pay for their school clothes in the fall.

But it's so important to say that we have to have a "living wage," or that it's impossible to pick our crops without a huge army of illegals, as if we always had that huge army of illegals picking the crops. We didn't.

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So? Then why are farmers hiring illegals then?

Why did Trump let them get away with it from 2017 to 2021? Why do you think Trump will do anything different in 2025?

So how do you get by without a living wage? Are you on welfare?

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In the old days, since kids were allowed to pick in the fields (apparently some lawmakers who wanted to start making illegals the standard for picking crops made a law against minors being in the fields, but that can be reversed), no one expected it to be a "living wage." The American kids were the majority of the folks in the fields back when I was picking, btw. The Green Card holders who followed the crops and then went back to Mexico were supplementing the family income down there. They knew they were going to be on subsistence wages up here so they could send money to their family back home. The exchange rate must have made it worth it.

I never said I wasn't on a living wage, NOW. I'm doing well. God has blessed me richly, even though I'm just a disabled widow.

But again, I wasn't making this kind of money when I was an 8-year-old kid in the berry fields. Nor did I expect to. I got paid by the flat. Nobody was getting rich getting paid by the flat. But the kids -- again, the majority out there -- often made enough to pay for their school clothes for the upcoming year, which helped a lot in the family economy. People wonder how folks got by with just one income and five kids in the good old days, and that's one of the major reasons -- the kids helped with the family economy. Did they, by themselves, earn THE living wage for the household? Of course not.

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Isn't food production in this country one of the most important industries? Picking crops should pay a living wage.

If the very important job of growing, harvesting and transporting food is not worth a living wage, then what is?

Was the job you were doing that earned a living wage, more important than harvesting food? Surely you eat food, right?

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Why should picking crops pay a living wage? It didn't used to, and the world didn't fall apart.

You know, you can become a gleaner if this is that important to you, or if you're interested in picking your own food there are lots of U-Pick farms out there. Cut out the middle man. Pick all the food you're going to eat for a year, can it, freeze it, or freeze-dry it, and you're set. I know lots of people who do precisely that if they don't live on a farm and grow their own. Until my disability sidelined me, I grew enough to feed myself and the neighbors. My husband and I would pick it and give it away. People with that Christian attitude aren't as prevalent as I'd like, but there are people like us out there.

You'll be surprised what you'd find if you drove out into the countryside. LOTS of U-Pick places. If Trump actually does deport all the illegals, or, for agriculture, only takes in those who'll come legally and seasonally, U-Pick might become much easier to find for you city folk. Then fewer imported workers would be needed.

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Picking crops should pay a living wage because it is important. Why do you think picking crops is not important enough for a living wage?

I am familiar with the farming practices you speak of.

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Every job is "important" if you want to look at it that way. That's the reason they have people filling those job -- they need them there. The ones I did as a kid, the ones I did as a teen were "important." It's just that in the old days, we realized that some jobs were entry-level, the ones you get when you're living at home with your parents. Some are the jobs you get when you're trying to supplement the family income. As you work your way up the ladder, gaining skills that show you're worth a little more, you'll be paid more. Eventually, you will have secured the skills and knowledge necessary to earn what you call a "living wage."

I know you'll just parrot that the job is important therefore it deserves a "living wage," as defined by you, I guess. But I'll try to make it simpler. One of the first jobs I had was in a print shop bindery. They desperately needed me, because the jobs weren't going to inspect themselves, hand themselves to the trimmer, or pack themselves. But I didn't get a living wage, because it didn't take a lot of skill. The printers made more money, for what ought to be obvious reasons. The fellow who ran the WEB press was the highest paid man on the floor. Bigger printer, more complicated -- even did its own trimming. It was such an old shop that when I first went to work there, they had a man setting type with a Merganthaller. That fellow had very specialized knowledge. I have no idea what he was paid, but since the local newspaper didn't get out without him, I hope it was a lot.

But anyone that they could replace with anyone they could grab off the street was NOT going to have what you want to call a "living wage." I know you don't seem to like capitalism, but that's the way it works.

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I do like capitalism. I profited from capitalism greatly since 1975 to 2023.

I would like to see what kind of hoops you will jump through, in order to claim that harvesting food, that people eat, is not important enough for a living wage.

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How to say you didn't read and comprehend without saying you didn't read and comprehend.

Of course, I did call it that you would just keep repeating that someone who's doing a job an 8-year-old can do should get a "living wage" for it because it's "important." As I said, all jobs are "important." What a person gets paid is by his skill and knowledge. You don't refute this, you just keep saying that field workers are so important they should have that undefined "living wage."

The people who've demanded a "living wage" in the fast food industry have ensured that they've lost their jobs to automation. People like you who think the folks who pick beans should have a "living wage" have pushed seed companies to create beans that put on a single flush of blooms and can be picked by machines instead of people. They'll do the same thing with berries and every other kind of produce if you have your way. So go ahead and demand that "living wage." It's the quickest way to get the people you claim to care about thrown out of work.

Which is better -- no wage or a "living wage"?

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I hope not, the dairy industry here in my county in Vermont is heavily dependent on illegal immigrants...

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I'd say it was heavily dependent on cows not illegal immigrants.

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Oh, you're one of those who thinks the cows milk themselves? You're so sweet.

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Try removing cows from the equation, then come back and tell me if the illegal immigrants still managed to produce anything. Which one is it heavily dependent on?
As if legals couldn't do the work, you people are so pathetic. If an illegal immigrant can walk in the country and do it then it's not a skilled job and anyone at all can do it.

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If illegals are not producing anything, then why are they paid to work on farms?

Why do you think only unskilled people cross the border to find work?

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If illegals are not producing anything, then why are they paid to work on farms?


Why not remove the cows? It would make room for twice as many illegal immigrants then, I bet they will produce twice as much!

Why do you think only unskilled people cross the border to find work?


Who mentioned unskilled people? I said it wasn't a skilled job and anyone can do it. Why do you immediately associate unskilled labour with unskilled illegal immigrants?

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