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Trump: Protector of Women — or Predators?


Donald Trump proclaimed that he would be the protector of women.
That seems to involve anointing creeps from whom women need protection.
If you want to see women flying high, dominating the landscape and unmasking a fake wizard, see “Wicked.”
In Oz, women are defying gravity. In America, many have been grounded, under the thumb of a wicked wizard.
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In putting forward three men [Matt Gaetz, Pete Hegseth, Vince McMahon aiding wife Linda McMahon] Trump is conveying that men like himself are the perpetual victims of lies, so it should not be disqualifying.
He is turning what he told Billy Bush on the “Access Hollywood” tape into a presidential mantra: “When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.”


Compliments of Maureen Dowd, NYTimes

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Protector of women. The Democrats only pretend to care about women when they think they can score political points from it. If Democrats truly cared about women they’d have more to say about Laken Riley being murdered by an illegal immigrant or Riley Gaines being kidnapped and threatened with death but a violent mob of radical trans activists.

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And Democrats should totally reverse their position on immigration because of Laken Riley? One exception to the rule doesn't make someone believe something completely different. A lot more Americans are murdered by other Americans than by immigrants, illegal or otherwise.

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Yes, if it weren’t for the open border policies of Brandon and Kamala she would still be alive, not to mention that the “immigration policies” they are promoting are literally illegal. We have borders for a reason and because of Brandon and Kamala drug dealers, terrorists and child traffickers are coming across our borders unchecked. Both Brandon and Kamala are murderers and they are responsible for Laken Riley’s death. She would still be alive if Kamala had secured the border or better yet just let the Trump policies that worked stay in place.

I love the counterargument the left keeps pathetically trying to assert, “but Americans also kill Americans so we should allow illegal immigrants to kill Americans also”, wtf kind of backwards ass logic is that. The scumbag shouldn’t have been in the country in the first place, had Kamala and Brandon done their jobs Laken Riley would still be alive. They murdered her. These people don’t deserve to be in the country, they are illegals. Why is that so hard for you people to understand?

Every single illegal immigrant they allowed to come over are literally criminals; they broke our laws by crossing the border illegally, and many of them are violent criminals. Trump has quite a mess on his hands thanks to Brandon and Kamala but I’m glad he’s serious about the border and is going to deport all of these illegal immigrants back to where they belong.

Oh I see so we should ignore the “exception to the rule” that sure wasn’t the lefts stance when it came to the police and that lowlife thug George Floyd.

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Not "many" are violent criminals. They've actually done studies on this, and very, very few are violent criminals. In fact, US Customs and Border Protection tracks these numbers:

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics/criminal-noncitizen-statistics

As you can see, most of the illegal aliens who commit criminal acts are simply guilty of "Illegal Entry, Re-Entry". Various others, such as drunk driving and illegal drugs fall under that, and murder is in last place, with currently about 29 murders a year.

The reason it is so hard for me to understand (I can't speak for the "you people" that you're referring to) is that I don't believe Jesus would care about our borders. Only how we treat others. Jesus welcomed immigrants. Leviticus 19:33-34: "When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself". Exodus 23:9: "Do not oppress a foreigner; you yourselves know how it feels to be foreigners, because you were foreigners in Egypt". Now do you understand why I don't hate immigrants? That's why.

As for George Floyd... he tried to use a counterfeit $20 bill, and was murdered for it. Are you happy about the cop killing a "scumbag" over that $20?

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"I don't believe Jesus would care about our borders. Only how we treat others."

Unfortunately some of those "others" dont want to treat people kindly, hence the need for borders. Jesus might not have cared about borders but in the year of our lord 2024, we do.

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Studies show
Sources say
People familiar with that way of thinking
People close to
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Into the trash it goes.

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You must throw away 90% of what Trump says then. He's always saying "people are saying" and "everybody knows."

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No I mustn't and no he doesn't.

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He says that all the time!

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No he doesn't!

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Comical.

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So was trying to convince the world that J6th was somehow a terrible insurrection but it didn't stop you retards from attempting it, luckily Americans aren't as dumb as you and saw straight through it, hence the complete humiliation the Dems just faced in their overwhelming defeat at the elections.

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You're pretty confused. I didn't attempt the insurrection. That was YOU guys.

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Comical as I said. Only your mentally ill allies believe that bullshit, luckily the sane Americans voted correctly when they crushed the Dems comprehensively in a landslide electoral victory, simultaneously ousting you lying woke retards from the zeitgeist. Seethe about it loser.

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He barely won. That's not a landslide. The number one search on Google the next day was "what is a tariff?", showing once again that most of his voters are ignorant, to put it nicely.

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Mmmm 99.1% pure distilled cope, you're the Heisenberg of coping.

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They all are criminals , they all broke our laws, and many are violent, just as any of the families of the women/little girls who have been raped and murdered. And I don’t give a shit if only one girl was raped/murdered, one is too much and all of them would still be alive had it not been for Brandon and Kamala. You don’t care about women; you are fine if they are raped and murdered so illegal immigrants can pour into our borders.

Oh I’m sorry did I hurt your feelings by saying “you people”. Get over it snowflake and quit acting like a victim which you aren’t.

Ummmm telling an illegal ok immigrant they have to go back and go through the proper channels to legally immigrate here isn’t “mistreatment”. Allowing them to come in unvetted where they abuse women is mistreatment. That was such a gross distortion of the Bible, you are not a Christian.

George Floyd was a scumbag drug addict criminal and you totally dodged my point. You people rioted , burned cities and killed people because of the “exception to the rule”, so why was that ok? Too bad Laken Riley was a law abiding citizen, had she been a thug like George Floyd you might actually give a shit about her.

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Again with the "you people." You seem to have fallen for the Russian propaganda. I didn't riot. I saw a few news stories. This is why our country is divided. YOU PEOPLE are being manipulated by foreign propaganda into thinking your own countrymen are your enemies. Good luck in life, KingBob.

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Your gaslighting routine is old and played out, you guys lost and are on the way out of the door, and the world couldn't be happier about it, sayonara losers.

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Nobody's on the way out the door. It's still our country, too. You're rude and obnoxious, just like your cult leader.

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America is for patriots who love their country, not for shitbag subversive commie useful idiot wankstains. I'm not here to make friends with the side who has been calling me a fascist for 8 years, go fuck off to the other side of the planet and then fuck off some more ok.

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I've never called you a fascist, but you sound like one. You aren't good enough for this country. You should move to Russia.

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And I never called you a shitbag subversive commie useful idiot wankstain, bite me.

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You don't seem to be aware of the damage that unchecked immigration causes. It wrecks a nation, and why are they coming to begin with? What are they supposed to offer when we have people that need jobs here, plenty on the streets, homeless vets etc. This approach is the very same as that of the individual minds of the left- always look elsewhere and never at one's self. You'll have to forgive me if I discount your govt stats when by all appearances they are lying manipulative scumbuckets.

Jesus did care about borders. At many points in the Bible people tried to create a one-world government and God stopped them every time. Most famously perhaps is the account of the occurrence at Babylon. It's easy to quote the Bible and misconstrue, but it's a sin. Sure be nice to foreigners- no one is saying to crucify tourists. Nowhere in those words does it mention anything about borders much less disparaging them.

Geo Floyd- not murdered. Are you actually aware of any facts at all?

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By John R. Lott Jr.
Real Clear Wire

In June, Victor Martinez-Hernandez was charged with the murder of Rachel Morin, a mother of five in Maryland. Police in Oklahoma tracked the accused repeat offender down with a sample of his DNA recovered from a Los Angeles home invasion in which a nine-year-old girl and her mother were assaulted. Police say he came to the U.S. illegally to escape prosecution for at least one other murder in his native El Salvador in December 2022.

“That should never have been allowed to happen,” said Sheriff Jeffrey Gahler, referring to the numerous missed red flags the case presented. His office apprehended Hernandez in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

Like the member of the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua sentenced to life in prison last week for the murder of Laken Riley in Georgia, Hernandez’s case is shining a light on the federal government’s failure to properly vet and keep track of lawless migrants.

These gaps have led to broad claims that illegal immigrants have less involvement with the criminal justice system than native-born Americans. A review of the available data, however, shows that the criminal records of millions of migrants – the ones President-elect Trump vows to prioritize for deportation – remain unknown due to illegal crossings, lax enforcement, and lax data collection by federal and “sanctuary” jurisdictions.

In addition, an analysis of the available statistics by RealClearInvestigations suggests that the crime rate of noncitizens is vastly understated. A separate RCI analysis based on estimates developed by the U.S. Department of Justice’s National Institute of Justice (NIJ) suggests that crime by illegal aliens who entered the U.S. by July 21, 2024 cost the country some $166.5 billion. These criminals disproportionately entered the U.S. during the Biden administration.

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The problem begins with incomplete initial vetting by the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). The criminal histories of migrants from far-flung countries with often shoddy record-keeping are somewhat hard to determine. It is also impractical to hold each person until they have passed a rigorous background check. As a result, ICE routinely releases many illegals into the country on their own recognizance and then discovers afterward that many had criminal records in their home countries.

In response to a request from Republican Rep. Tony Gonzales of Texas, ICE reported this summer that it has released 7.4 million such “non-detained” noncitizens into the U.S. during the last four decades or so. ICE reports that these include 662,566 noncitizens with criminal histories – 435,719 individuals with criminal convictions in their home countries and another 226,847 with pending criminal charges. These precise figures, however, do not say whether the crimes of the latter group were committed in the accused’s home country or the U.S.

In the July 21 letter to Rep. Gonzales, ICE reported that 13,099 of these non-detained individuals have convictions for homicide, with 1,845 facing criminal homicide charges. Another 9,461 have convictions for sex offenses (not including assault or commercialized sex), and 2,659 face pending charges. The convictions include other crimes such as assault (62,231), robbery (10,031), sexual assault (15,811), weapons offenses (13,423), and dangerous drugs (56,533).

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These figures are only suggestive of the extent of crime because they only list the most serious crime committed by each individual. A murderer, for example, who also committed a sex offense, is only counted as a murderer. It does not include the fact that millions of migrants are violating the law because of their presence in the U.S. It also does not account for the lawbreaking involved in working without proper authorization or the widespread use of stolen Social Security numbers to secure employment.

The 662,566 convicted and likely criminals make up 9% of the 7.4 million released noncitizens.

The statistics miss much of the relationship between crime and illegal aliens. Noncitizens in the “national docket data” either surrendered to border agents or were apprehended at the border. Those who avoid surrender likely have reasons to evade authorities, such as a criminal background. But there are others who avoided being caught and won’t be in these numbers. That group includes “gotaways” – individuals observed crossing the U.S. border illegally but not apprehended or turned back. With up to 38% of border agents shifted from monitoring to processing duties and 30% of surveillance cameras not functioning, millions more likely entered the U.S. undetected, potentially including the most dangerous individuals.

The Customs and Border Protection Agency estimates that some two million such “gotaways” have entered the country since 2021.

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The data on migrants who have been processed also understates the problem. Criminals rarely commit just one crime. For example, from 1990 to 2002, in the 75 most populous U.S. counties, 70% of those convicted of a violent felony had a prior arrest, and 56% had a prior criminal conviction. In 2023 in Washington, D.C., the average homicide suspect had been arrested 11 times before committing a homicide. Data for 30 states shows that 60.1% of criminals released from prison in 2005 had been arrested again within two years, and 73.5% had been arrested within four years. The ICE data set provides a single entry for each individual.

Most violent crimes don’t result in an arrest, so looking at arrests or convictions in these other countries will underestimate whether illegal aliens are criminals. Across all U.S. cities in 2022, only 35.2% of violent crimes resulted in an arrest. While 50.6% of murders resulted in an arrest, just 24.1% of rapes produced an arrest, 22.7% of robberies, and 39.9% of aggravated assaults.

As the Laken Riley and Rachel Morin murder cases make clear, it is difficult to calculate all the victimization costs of crime to families and society.

Using tools developed by the National Institute of Justice (NIJ), RCI did estimate what is likely the bare minimum economic costs of illegal alien crime. It arrived at its estimated cost to victims in dollar terms by assuming that each of the 662,566 “non-detained” noncitizen offenders on ICE’s list committed just once in the U.S. the crime for which they have been previously accused.

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ICE presented Rep. Gonzales with numbers on 42 different types of crime, but the NIJ only calculated the cost to victims for eight types of crime. Professor Mark Cohen at Vanderbilt University, who co-authored the original NIJ report, updated the list with 15 of the crime categories reported by ICE: murder, sexual assault, sexual offenses, robbery, assault, arson, burglary, larceny, motor vehicle theft, weapon offenses, drugs, fraud, liquor offenses, gambling, and stolen property. Cohen’s updated numbers provide estimates for the damage from child abuse, drunk driving, and vandalism, but ICE did not collect numbers on those crimes.

NIJ’s estimated losses from crime victimization include: medical care/ambulances, mental health care, police/fire service costs, social/victim services, property loss/damage, reduced productivity (at work, home, and school), and nonmonetary losses (fear, pain, suffering, and lost quality of life).

Murders account for almost $153.8 billion of the $166.5 billion in estimated criminal victimization costs (a breakdown of the costs of crime for each type of crime is available here). Another $6 billion involves sexual assaults/offenses, and an additional $5.2 billion comes from sexual assaults and sexual offenses.

Half of the crimes these non-detained individuals commit don’t have cost estimates. These crimes include kidnapping, embezzlement, extortion, smuggling, traffic offenses, and weapon offenses.

These criminal illegal aliens entered the U.S. under multiple administrations, but the size of the problem was likely larger under the Biden administration. That isn’t just because so many more illegal aliens were entering the country. Under the Trump administration’s remain-in-Mexico policy, the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) performed background checks on immigrants. That included contacting immigrants’ countries of origin.

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ICE agents cannot access the same databases to check on the immigrants, and they don’t contact the immigrant’s home country. Plus, the massive inflow of immigrants has overwhelmed the system. The Deputy Director for ICE blames the “enormous workload” agents face, so they haven’t been able to do even the limited background checks they are doing. There are so many coming in that the government can’t house these immigrants until their backgrounds are properly checked.

ICE has been processing criminals as they enter the country, but without identifying them as criminals. So, under the Biden administration, they have simply been released into the country. Now, they are walking freely in the United States, and no one knows where they are.

As bad as these numbers are, the reality may be even worse. The Biden-Harris administration is accused of presenting the border crisis so that it does not look as bad as it is. In mid-September, retired San Diego Border Patrol Chief Aaron Heitk testified how the Biden administration ordered him not to publicize the arrests of illegal border crossers who they identified as having terrorist ties.

The American Immigration Council, which strongly opposes President-elect Donald Trump’s deportation policies, estimates that it could cost $88 billion to deport one million illegal immigrants. But if we accept its estimate and ignore the various government benefits that these individuals might be receiving, ICE’s number of 662,556 illegal criminal immigrants implies a cost of $58.3 billion to remove them – just over one-third of the conservative estimate given here of the cost of the crimes by these criminals.

The estimate of over $160 billion in costs from criminal illegal aliens is very likely an underestimate of the true costs. It assumes the average criminal coming into the country commits only one offense similar to what he committed in his home country. We are also not counting the costs of half of criminal illegal aliens.

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These are great, informative well reasoned posts, really good stuff.

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Thanks. Most of it is a reprinted article here, which I have noted. I think the guy has me blocked anyway though lol.

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Thanks for sharing it either way.

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If Dems cared, they wouldnt let men into womens sports or bathrooms. But they care if abortions are not treated like a fast food restaurant.

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Sigh.. 🙄This is the same Democrat Party that did the very same thing when Biden stole the election in 2020 including appointing a cross dresser in his Cabinet, so enough of this hypocritical nonsense!! Not to mention the fact that Gaetz dropped out and someone else and much better was appointed in his place, so this thread has aged like shit

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Did you read bek’s reply? What he said is a whole other level of evil.

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Predator.

You don't nominate top people accused of sexually assaulting women as your top person.

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Precisely!
Once a MAGA moron, always a MAGA moron

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How many convictions? The presumption of innocence before conviction is just too darn inconvenient. And there's no way the dems are low enough to pay sluts to lie- their moral standards are simply too high. Interesting things happen when we look into the stories- we find that much of it is fabrication, as with Gaetz. But who gives a damn about truth, fact, reason or logic anymore? I can say confidently that list is powerful short.

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