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WHY did we need a SPECIAL INVESTGATOR??? WHY couldn't CONGRESS do the INVESTIGATION instead of MUELLER

posted 6 years ago by joi2049 (5572)
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MUELLER now tells us that he NEVER had any intention of BRINGING CHARGES against the SCAM MAN who ran the FAKE UNIVERSITY and the FAKE CHARITY.

He claims he couldn't do so because of the OPINION that someone expresses in some kind of a SILLY OFFICE MEMO that has NO LEGAL BINDING.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/04/mueller-report-footnote-1091-prosecute-trump-obstruction-post-presidency.html

QUOTE:

they offer a very clear and thorough explanation of Mueller’s decision not to issue obstruction of justice charges against the president, which he indicates he based on an Office of Legal Counsel memo outlining constitutional concerns about charging a sitting president with crimes

END QUOTE

And now he's telling us IT'S UP TO CONGRESS to proceed forwards with the info he's written in his 400 PAGE REPORT???

SO WHY did WE HIRE HIM in the FIRST PLACE???

WHY couldn't CONGRESS have DONE the INVESTIGATION itself ???

What was the POINT of having MUELLER do the INVESTIGATION IF he was also NEVER GOING to DO ANYTHING about it if and when he FOUND PROOF that the SCAM MAN is GUILTY of OBSTRUCTION and ABUSE of POWER???

[–] Painekiller (355) 6 years ago

WHY couldn't CONGRESS have DONE the INVESTIGATION itself ???[/quote]

Because they are not trained investigators or law enforcement personnel, duh!

[quote]What was the POINT of having MUELLER do the INVESTIGATION IF he was also NEVER GOING to DO ANYTHING about it if and when he FOUND PROOF that the SCAM MAN is GUILTY of OBSTRUCTION and ABUSE of POWER???

In order to be guilty of obstruction you first have to have obstructed.

There was NO obstruction - pinhead.

[–] joi2049 (5572) 6 years ago

On the CONTARY, many MEMBERS of CONGRESS are TRAINED investigators and are also FORMER LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSONNEL.

As for your FALSE CLAIM that there was no OBSTRUCTION:

GO READ the REPORT where you'll find a LIST of 10 different cases of OBSTRUCTIONS LISTED there in it.

Or at least do a SEARCH and find an ARTICLE that will also EXPLAIN the SAME THING to you.

Obstruction of justice: The 10 times Trump …

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/obstruction-of-justice-10-times-trump-may-have-obstructed-justice-mueller-report/

Apr 19, 2019 · Here are the 10 times, according to the Mueller report, that Mr. Trump may have obstructed justice. "The campaign's response to reports about Russian support for Trump"

"The campaign's response to reports about Russian support for Trump"

"Conduct involving FBI Director Comey and Michael Flynn"

"The President's reaction to the continuing Russia investigation"

"The President's termination of Comey"

"The appointment of Special Counsel and efforts to remove him"

"Efforts to prevent public disclosure of evidence"

"Further efforts to have the Attorney General take control of the investigation"

"Efforts to have McGahn deny that the President had ordered him to have the Special Counsel removed"

"Conduct towards Flynn, Manafort, [Redacted]"

"Conduct involving Michael Cohen" [/b]

[–] Interlepos (1811) 6 years ago

So he obstructed justice for a crime he didn't commit? He was part of a cover up of something he was innocent of?

So, let me get this right. There was no collusion, but he is guilty of trying to resist being charged for it, even if he didn't do any colluding to begin with.

[–] joi2049 (5572) 6 years ago

COLLUSION is a FAKE WORD that has NO LEGAL MEANING.

The CORRECT LEGAL TERM is CONSPIRACY.

AND the SCAM MAN has also ALREADY been named as a CO CONSPIRATOR …

that they called INDIVIDUAL ONE ...

in the SAME LAW SUIT that now has his former LAP DOG COHEN sitting there inside of a JAIL CELL for the next 3 YEARS.

As soon as the SCAM MAN who RAN the FAKE UNIVERSITY and the FAKE CHARITY leaves office, that also means he will also be putting on an ORANGE JUMP SUIT and be JOINING his former CO CONSPIRATORY ATTORNEY there in PRISON.

[–] Painekiller (355) 6 years ago

COLLUSION is a FAKE WORD that has NO LEGAL MEANING.

The CORRECT LEGAL TERM is CONSPIRACY.

Good, he did neither, so now we can parse dictionary definitions.

But it's time you educated yourself just a tad, isn't it?

https://definitions.uslegal.com/c/collusion/

"Collusion occurs when two persons or representatives of an entity or organization make an agreement to deceive or mislead another. Such agreements are usually secretive, and involve fraud or gaining an unfair advantage over a third party, competitors, consumers or others with whom they are negotiating. The collusion, therefore, makes the bargaining process inherently unfair. Collusion can involve price or wage fixing, kickbacks, or misrepresenting the independence of the relationship betweeen the colluding parties."

https://definitions.uslegal.com/c/conspiracy/

"Conspiracy is a separate offense, by which someone conspires or agrees with someone else to do something which, if actually carried out, would amount to another federal crime or offense. It is an agreement or a kind of partnership for criminal purposes in which each member becomes the agent or partner of every other member. "

There, now you have a learning moment to thank me for, lol...

[–] Interlepos (1811) 6 years ago

He/she should also learn how to write, using caps like a demented person.

[–] joi2049 (5572) 6 years ago

THE SCAM MAN and COHEN CONSPIRED together to KEEP the PUBLIC from being AWARE of the WAY HE SCREWED the PLAYMATE and THE PORN STAR back when his current wife had recently just given BIRTH to his 5th child.

Then the PORN STAR who had SEX with him also had her LIFE THREATENED by some THUG they HIRED and was FORCED to take $120,000 in HUSH MONEY and keep her mouth shut.

And COHEN also held up the CANCELLED CHECKS that THE SCAM MAN PAID HIM for the CAMERA when he testified for CONGRESS.

So we've also SEEN EVIDENCE that the SCAM MAN PAID HUSH MONEY to the PORN STAR and to the PLAYMATE.

That's also the reason why THE SCAM MAN was named INDIVIDUAL ONE in the CO CONSPIRACY and will be heading for a JAIL CELL as soon as he LEAVES OFFICE.

And now you can also THANK ME for EDUCATING you.

TO THE OTHER POSTER:

SO IT'S OK for the SCAM MAN to use CAPS but NOT OK for anyone else to do so???

And doesn't that also indicate that the SCAM MAN is also a DEMENTED PERSON as well??? :)

[–] Interlepos (1811) 6 years ago

DON'T you UNDERSTAND THAT if you WRITE like this YOU COME OF as a NUTTY MANIAC?

But, cool that you admit to being influenced by Trump.

Back to your point. He will not go to jail when he leaves office. Looking at how well the economy is doing now, and if America continues to prosper -- he might just be hailed as a great president when he leaves office. In 2024.

[–] joi2049 (5572) 6 years ago

Sorry but the SCAM MAN is the one who COPIED my STYLE (not the other way around).

Because I also used this STYLE for 12 years at imdb before the RUSSIAN TROLLS shut down the place.

And …

If you think the SCAM MAN who ran the FAKE UNIVERSITY and the FAKE CHARITY will be remembered as having been GREAT …

then there's also really nothing more that one can say to you in that kind of a DELUSIONAL STATE of mind you're in.

Guess that also means it TAKES ONE to KNOW ONE. :)

[–] Interlepos (1811) 6 years ago

I will agree with you 100% that the people who shut down the IMDb boards were trolls. Maybe not Russian trolls, but trolls.

[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

Lol! His base isn’t that big to begin with, and it will shrink down to nothing by next year. He’s already losing the farmers in PA and the Midwest.

[–] joi2049 (5572) 6 years ago

Yeah loosing the FARM that's been in their FAMILY for several GENERATIONS because of some FAKE TARRIF WAR the SCAM MAN started will definitely not encourage FARMERS to VOTE for him again.

[–] Painekiller (355) 6 years ago

THE SCAM MAN and COHEN CONSPIRED together to KEEP the PUBLIC from being AWARE of the WAY HE SCREWED the PLAYMATE and THE PORN STAR back when his current wife had recently just given BIRTH to his 5th child.

Boo fucking hoo!

Are you as outraged over Avenatti forging her name, stealing her $300Kbook advance, etc?

http://www.ktvu.com/news/national-world-news/michael-avenatti-stormy-daniels-fraud-charged

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-sues-stormy-daniels-20-million-2018-3/

President Donald Trump's attorneys claim that Stormy Daniels, the porn star who says she had an affair with Trump that began in 2006, violated a nondisclosure agreement and is now liable for at least $20 million in damages, The New York Times reported Friday.

[–] joi2049 (5572) 6 years ago

You've just resorted to using another FALLACY called THE RED HERRING.

And like the case with THE ARGUMENTUM AD HOMINEM, it's another effort to try to CHANGE the SUBJECT because you have no LEGIT COUNTER ARGUMENT TO OFFER.

THE BOTTOM LINE is the SCAM MAN who RAN the FAKE UNIVERSITY and the FAKE CHARITY is GOING to JAIL just like his PAL COHEN who already sits there inside of a PRISON CELL.

The only reason why THE SCAM MAN isn't there is because he sits in the OVAL OFFICE.

Once he leaves it, they'll issue him an ORANGE JUMP SUIT to MATCH his UGLY SKIN and that other MOP of stuff that sits on top of his HEAD that's suppose to be HAIR.

But it's probably just a product like TOPIK that he SPRINKLES onto his BALD HEAD to make it look like he has HAIR.

[–] Frogarama (12942) 6 years ago

Collusion is not the crime. The charges relating to collusion would be specific. Even your description says so, specifying various ACTUAL charges, you intellectual illiterate.

Its like you're talking about entering a convenience store, armed, as a crime.

No, in any open carry state, you can walk into a store armed without being arrested.

You can even do so with the intent to rob it, as long as you resist doing so.

But if you do, you're not charged with entering a store armed, you are charged with assault w deadly weapon, robbery, and anything else you might do.

You realize a single criminal act can be separated into multiple charges? Yes, charges are where things get specific.

Collusion is not that. Its not a charge. Its an overall concept, a context for crimes.

Mobsters arent charged for running a profiting operation, they are charged for the crimes occurring within.

You don't understand legal principles, and your short tenure of failure here shows how very little you understand of ANYTHING.

[–] Painekiller (355) 6 years ago

Collusion is not the crime. The charges relating to collusion would be specific. Even your description says so, specifying various ACTUAL charges, you intellectual illiterate.[/quote]

1.) Collusion has a legal definition, you have been provided with it, cope.

2.) Parsing how said collusion interfaces with the crime of conspiracy is defined within US code:

https://codes.findlaw.com/us/title-18-crimes-and-criminal-procedure/18-usc-sect-371.html

If two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

If, however, the offense, the commission of which is the object of the conspiracy, is a misdemeanor only, the punishment for such conspiracy shall not exceed the maximum punishment provided for such misdemeanor.
Its like you're talking about entering a convenience store, armed, as a crime.

[quote]No, in any open carry state, you can walk into a store armed without being arrested.

You can even do so with the intent to rob it, as long as you resist doing so.

But if you do, you're not charged with entering a store armed, you are charged with assault w deadly weapon, robbery, and anything else you might do.

You realize a single criminal act can be separated into multiple charges? Yes, charges are where things get specific.

Collusion is not that. Its not a charge. Its an overall concept, a context for crimes.

It's not a "concept" at all but rather a process, a flow of actions. You are quite dull on these matters.

[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

No, you got it all wrong not right. Try again.

[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

We hired him to do an independent thorough investigation into the election, which he did. We didn’t hire him to arrest him, press charges, or jail him. He did his job. Now he passes his findings to Congress and they have to do their job.

[–] Painekiller (355) 6 years ago

We hired him to do an independent thorough investigation into the election, which he did. We didn’t hire him to arrest him, press charges, or jail him. He did his job. Now he passes his findings to Congress and they have to do their job.

Which would be LEGISLATING, not playing partisan spite tag, you oaf!

[–] snepts (11123) 6 years ago

The RePubes have built up enough spite to last two lifetimes. Won't consider an Obama SC nominee? Won two recent Prez elections without the popular vote? Are endorsed by the NRA and the KKK, are whatever wrong wing nut case groups are lurking out there? Nothing to be proud of. Can't pretend these are the people running - no, representing - this wonderful country. They ARE TRYING to run it ... into the ground.

[–] Painekiller (355) 6 years ago

The RePubes have built up enough spite to last two lifetimes. Won't consider an Obama SC nominee? Won two recent Prez elections without the popular vote? Are endorsed by the NRA and the KKK, are whatever wrong wing nut case groups are lurking out there? Nothing to be proud of. Can't pretend these are the people running - no, representing - this wonderful country. They ARE TRYING to run it ... into the ground.

Oh wah, I can tell you are most butt hurt, LOL!

And it just didn't go well for you when you went over to the dark side did it?

1.) Infantile attempt to ruin Kavanaugh's life FAILED due to the creatively absent memories of some left coast bubblehead feelings junky.

2.) Popular vote corrupted by MILLIONS of illegals and criminals multi-voting - hooray Electoral College!

3.) No alleged KKK 'endorsements' have ever mattered nor ever will - next!

4.) NRA are 100% PATRIOTS!

As for running it into the ground - that's what the Dems are doing with OPEN BORDERS, you moron!

[–] snepts (11123) 6 years ago

Trumpers Derangement Symptom in Overdrive !

[–] joi2049 (5572) 6 years ago

[–] snepts (3105) 9 minutes ago
The RePubes have built up enough spite to last two lifetimes. Won't consider an Obama SC nominee? Won two recent Prez elections without the popular vote? Are endorsed by the NRA and the KKK, are whatever wrong wing nut case groups are lurking out there? Nothing to be proud of. Can't pretend these are the people running - no, representing - this wonderful country. They ARE TRYING to run it ... into the ground.[/b]

BRAVO SNEPTS!!!

What you've said is MOST ELOQUENT and BRILLIANTLY PUT !!!

Thank you for your VERY WELL INFORMED CONTRIBUTION to the TOPIC !!!

[–] Painekiller (355) 6 years ago

He's a partisan idiot and by observation as well as affirmation so are you.

[–] joi2049 (5572) 6 years ago

And you've also just LOST the DEBATE …

by resorting to the USE of a FALLACY called the ARGUMENTUM AD HOMINEM (AGAINST the MAN) …

which is what one does whenever one has no other LEGIT COUNTER ARGUMENT to OFFER one's DEBATE OPPONENT.

[–] Painekiller (355) 6 years ago

Nice caps, do they cost extra?

[–] Frogarama (12942) 6 years ago

You're a brainless child successfully proving how little you comprehend.

[–] snepts (11123) 6 years ago

... oh, gosh ...

[–] Frogarama (12942) 6 years ago

Spite tag = You're a FUCKING LIAR TRYING TO BLAME TRUMPS FAILURES AS PARTISAN FIGHTING WHICH IS HILARIOUS AND EVEN THE PEOPLE FALLING FOR IT KNOW ITS B.S., THEY ARE JUST PRETENDERS IN DENIAL LIKE YOUR DUMB ASS.

[–] Painekiller (355) 6 years ago

Spite tag = You're a FUCKING LIAR TRYING TO BLAME TRUMPS FAILURES AS PARTISAN FIGHTING WHICH IS HILARIOUS AND EVEN THE PEOPLE FALLING FOR IT KNOW ITS B.S., THEY ARE JUST PRETENDERS IN DENIAL LIKE YOUR DUMB ASS.

Clearly his few "failures" trace directly to the 9th Judicial district and of course an obstructionist do-nothing Congress who even refuse to push through infrastructure funding.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/25/governors-democrats-states-power-423459
Democrats acknowledge that what they’re doing themselves these days would likely lead to even more Republicans turning away from the next Democratic president. But they say that the necessity they feel in resisting Trump means they can’t be worried about that.

But regardless the record of accomplishments is Huuuuuuge!

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