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Would he have hated Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings and other Tolkien movies?


I know Christopher Tolkien was negative about the Lord of the Rings films but I don't think he ever saw them. But what do you think J.R.R. Tolkien would have made of the movies, their success and the hysteria around them?

I personally think he’d have been horrified that they were shot in New Zealand, and the big deviations made to the movies, I do think he’d have liked much of the costumes, the armour and weapons designed for the film, plus Howard Shores wonderful music and a few casting choices, but in the whole he’d have been negative towards it like his son was, which is his right, he’s the creator after all, but Jackson’s adaption did bring a fresh wave of readers to the books after viewing the films, including myself.

I’m sure he’d have been happy with the renewed interest towards Middle-earth.

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I've no doubt he would have intensely disliked some of the changes Jackson made—in particular, the changes to characters, as with Faramir, because Jackson could not believe or accept that a man could be as decent & quietly noble as Faramir actually is in the books.

More than that, though, he would have disliked even more intensely the changes made to appeal to modern viewers, i.e., the diminishment of the moral & spiritual aspects of the story, which were so important to him.

When Jackson is true to the narrative & the tone of the original, he can be very good; when he decides to "improve" for the sake of contemporary sensibilities, he almost always gets it wrong.

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He'd of disliked the extra scenes featuring Arwen at the expense of Glorfindel and of course the creation of Tauriel and her unbelievable romance with a handsome dwarf!

I’m sure he’d of been disappointed with the omission of The Scouring of the Shire most of all, that is such an important chapter and not just an afterthought, but I can understand why Jackson left it out.

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Yes, for some scenes that we love & that we would have loved to see onscreen, I can still see why they were deleted for narrative flow. Even the BBC radio adaptation from the 1980s did the same thing, and they had hours & hours to work with.

I don't even want to think about what Jackson did to The Hobbit, though. The old Rankin-Bass animated TV version is so much better in presenting the story with the proper tone, and not indulging in Jackson's grotesque fan-fiction!

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Hear, hear!

I think Tolkien would understand the condensing or omission of elements - Bombadil for example (I believe he mentioned this in one of his letters...) - but would have been horrified by the alteration of the essential themes and nature of the story.

As a Tolkien geek, I both recognise the movies' flaws, but I also do really enjoy the films and I think they got as close as could have been hoped for under the circumstances. It would be nice to see the books done in a more "Tolkien" fashion, but I doubt they would be as mass-marketable because they wouldn't have the same action-adventure vibe. So, a "pure" conjuring of Lord of the Rings onto the big screen is a bit of a Catch-22. In order to have the capital necessary to oversee such a grand, epic production, you need to make it appeal to the fast-paced action crowd so it will sell. But if you do that, you rob the work of its pastoral qualities and mythological grandeur, as well as drawing focus away from the Hobbits and towards the sword-wielding heroes.

I also suspect that any future adaptations will become more and more riddled with PC nonsense - gender-swapped characters for instance - which will make it even more impossible to get a better version to the screen.

Your last paragraph and statement nails it entirely: the stuff Jackson got right he bullseyed like Robin Hood and William Tell had a baby and that baby made movies. When he misses, you're scratching your head.

Some of his alterations baffle me. Why change Faramir? It adds runtime. I think it was something to do with diminishing the power of the Ring in the audiences' mind, but I think if you did it right it would work; show Faramir deeply tempted and show him reject that evil and master himself.

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You sure did call the gender-swapping.

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Sometimes fortune-telling doesn't require Nostradamus. This stuff is wearyingly easy to predict.

Although I haven't seen Rings of Power - did they gender-swap a character?

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I think he would have liked it.

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Of course. And with thee I shudder.

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Thank you, glynn. JRR was, first and foremost, a linguist.

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Well done, sir!

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I think he would have prevented it from being adapted for film. Same with the Ranking/Bass and Bakshi cartoons

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It's possible... He might have just wanted a good deal of creative control on the projects, which might have made those adaptations more than flawed gems, but into unforgettable masterpieces. Imagine Bakshi's creative engine and Tolkien hawkishly guarding the shooting script to preserve integrity. It could have been unassailable!

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I like to imagine David Lynch and Tolkien talking about an adaptation. Didn't someone on Youtube make an LotR movie trailer in the guise of it being adapted by David Lynch? LOL

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I honestly can't see him liking either the Jackson version or the Rankin Bass version. The Bakshi version however seemed somewhat faithful to his work (despite being heavily edited) so he might have liked that one.

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I think he would have liked the movies, but he would have had a lot of questions for Peter Jackson about the story changes. He probably would have been just as dazzled by the special-effects as we all were in the early 2000s.

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Can you imagine the letters he'd write to Jackson, if Tolkien were alive and still of sound mind (I know it’s a tall ask!) the letters today would be released as a book and be a top seller on Amazon!

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If Christopher didn't like them I think J. R. wouldn't have either.

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I’m not so sure. Someone who created characters and mythology may look at it very differently from someone who grew up with it and has lived off someone else’s creations. (Like the differences between the father and son in Knives Out). I think Tolkien might have realized that movies and books are different storytelling methods, and the story has to be adapted to the medium.

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Tolkien, both Tolkiens, would've loved them. OR ELSE.

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Yes, especially the "Hobbit" "films", like the rest of the Earth

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