Joni Mitchell removing music from Spotify in solidarity with Neil Young
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It's a good career move for has-beens.
shareYou meant legends
shareAnd legends with good reason, too!
shareI agree Young and Mitchell are legends, but not Nils Lofgren. I support all three for doing what they believe is right and I believe they are sincere. Plus they are truly exercising free speech.
However, I suspect Young's and Mitchell's business managers had something to do with this (Lofgren is probably a follower.)
As great (and rich) as Young and Mitchell are they are no longer relevant, which translates to reduced sales. Making this stand raises awareness of them to generations who are not aware or vaguely aware of them, which translates to news sales. Their music is still available on other streaming services.
I suspect their business managers pushed this move. And that is not anything wrong with that either.
I’m just glad that liberals are so tolerant of other people’s ideas….Wait, they’re not? Oops, my mistake!
shareIf the idea is misinformation and not supported by science during a public health crisis, than no, thinking people should not support that.
shareProblem is that a lot of "thinking people" aren't doing anything remotely like actually thinking. They're uncritically accepting things they hear from their preferred sources. And when people attempt to discuss an issue -- the way Rogan and his guests did on his podcast -- these same "thinking people" want to suppress the conversation.
That's not something anyone should support.
Problem is that a lot of "thinking people" aren't doing anything remotely like actually thinking. They're uncritically accepting things they hear from their preferred sources.
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The problem inherent in policing “Covid misinformation” is the complete absence of public trust in the reliability of what the authorities have offered as the “true information.” You don’t have to be a medical expert to see that the FDA, CDC, the NIH, as well as the White House have all been untruthful, or wrong, or inconsistent, about a spectacular range of COVID issues in the last two years. Today, you can go on YouTube and watch a town hall by Joe Biden from July 21 of last year in which the president pronounced, “You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations.” This is plainly the definition of “Covid misinformation.”
This puts the issue of the reliability of authorities front and center, which is the main problem with pandemic messaging by Neil Young and Joni Mitchell. Instead of seeing the root causes of this atmosphere of rapidly declining public trust, the cultural arbiters of speech keep pushing for even more sweeping campaigns of control that only drives more people to guys like Rogan who at least give the counter points to the overwhelming government b.s.
Well said.
And worse yet is that if you even bother to quote these "authorities" on things they've ever said in the past (or recent present, in the case of the Pfizer CEO) you will be banned from social media for "Covid misinformation", which recently happened when someone literally posted -- word for word -- what the Pfizer CEO said about how the vaccines and boosters don't work against Omicron, and new vaccines will be needed.
Orwell said it best..."The past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia."
shareThese media sources calling for Rogan to be silenced have spread their share of misinformation. Rogan did try Ivermectin, but he had a doctors prescription and every time I've heard him bring up the subject he says he doesn't know whether it helped or not. At one time we were told he said he cured Covid with horse dewormer. The Rogan is constantly spreading disinformation stories will still imply he said he cured it with Ivermectin. Or that the vaccine doesn't work.
They also have been ignoring information that critics of the Covid response here have been bringing up. It's rarely mentioned that other countries are taking different approaches like emphasizing early treatment a lot more than we do here. They'll mention that people who are older or already sick are at higher risk, but I rarely see them really get into the actual numbers. Rogan is correct when he says that young healthy people are at about as much risk to Covid as they are to the flu, especially the Omicron variant which has become the dominant one. We rarely hear about the fact that other countries are taking different approaches.
If sources of misinformation need to be shutdown, we should include them. I saw a poll recently that claimed that people on the left tend to overestimate by a wide margin the risk of being hospitalized from Covid. Makes sense. Most of them probably get their news from the same people who want Rogan shut down.
They both suck so who cares?
shareJoni and Neil suck?!
How’s your music collection looking?
Now if they could just remove themselves from society....
shareShe's right. This anti-vax anti-mask nonsense is killing people, and it's not right to stand by while evil motherfuckers like Rogan encourage the gullible fools of the world to throw their lives away.
My job lets me see what's happening in ICUs over the state, and what's happening is the unvaccinated are slowly dying. Just the unvaccinated.
You're full of shit!!
shareYou're full of viruses! That's why people shun you!
Okay, it's one of the reasons people shun you.
Go take your next booster you medical mask wearing ass-wipe! I literally cannot wait for you dumb fucks to die off from myocarditis. A lot less masked up morons filling the lanes during rush hour will be a welcome sight!
shareYes, let’s take your side and start holding people down and forcing needles into their skin! All of them! Hopefully they scream while we do it! Let’s inject them with whatever we want! Screw their choice! We’re the good guys here, as are all people throughout history who have forced people to things against their will! (Twiddles fingers) yes…yes.
shareYes, you have the right to make a choice, and that means that when you make a really idiotic choice, other people have the right to tell you that you've made a damn fool stupid-ass choice, that you've placed yourself and others in danger, and they also take legal steps to keep your idiocy from harming anyone else, such as not allowing you to hold certain jobs or go into high-risk public places.
That's how the whole "personal choice" thing works.
I’m vaccinated. I’m just against trying to force others to get vaccinated.
It must suck to be so scared all the time. I pity you. If you’re vaccinated, there’s nothing to worry about, right? Oh wait, it doesn’t matter. Us vaccinated people spread it and catch it just like anyone else, regardless of vaccination status.
Vaccinated people like you just like to insult and ridicule people who choose not to get vaccinated, because it’s fun to be able to have what you think is a legitimate reason to bully people and hide behind the “we care” facade.
I’m vaccinated. I’m just against trying to force others to get vaccinated … because it’s fun to be able to have what you think is a legitimate reason to bully people and hide behind the “we care” facade.
" If you’re vaccinated, there’s nothing to worry about, right?"
No, vaccinated people can spread the disease and get sick, they're just infinitely less likely to die of COVID than the damn fool plague-vector unvaccinated morons. Do try to keep up.
And did I say I was in favor of forcing everyone to get vaccinated? Have I endorsed jail terms, or shipping them all to Devil's Island and checking back in five years to see if any are still alive? No, I'm not in favor of mandatory vaccination, but neither am I in favor of sheltering people from the consequences of their own stupidity.
" If you’re vaccinated, there’s nothing to worry about, right?"
No, vaccinated people can spread the disease and get sick, they're just infinitely less likely to die of COVID than the damn fool plague-vector unvaccinated morons. Do try to keep up.
So we basically agree, why are we fighting?
Oh, because you're being an asshole! Seriously, don't get in bed with those anti-vax nutballs. Lie down with pigs, you get up smelling like pigs.
We are probably fighting because you are treating unvaxxed people like dog shit, and I respect their decision to not get the vaccine, because I don’t think it makes much of a difference, and it’s none of my business what other people do with their health choices.
shareThis is the rare case where what other people choose to do with their bodies directly affects others. For instance drugs aren't contagious but the coronavirus is, and if people choose to spread the plague or at least refuse to do anything to mitigate their potential to spread a plague that's killed millions so far, then yes. They have chosen to be treated like dog shit by those of us who don't want to be infected, and to be excluded from certain high-risk activities.
When people make choices that can kill others, such as drunk driving, there needs to be both social pressure to remind them of what a monumentally stupid choice they are making, and legal penalties if they hurt anyone else. I'm still waiting for the legal penalties, there are still laws on the books about intentionally infecting others dating from the AIDS era, but it's not up to me to enforce them.
This is the rare case where what other people choose to do with their bodies directly affects others.
I work in the helping professions and I see the damage done by the illness, the people too short of breath to breath, the needless deaths, the deathbed family quarrels over who infected the deceased, the motherless children. Which are not exaggerations, BTW, that is exactly what this disease does in its moderate to severe forms, none of that is exaggerated.
So you bet I'm angry at everyone who spreads the disease, I'm angry at the careless, but I'm especially angry at the unrepentant maskless unvaccinated - and I have every right to be! They're causing needless deaths, largely in their own ranks, but also in the ranks of those who happen to be related to them or who sell them groceries or work at the next desk etc.
Why the hell aren't you angry? People are dying needlessly, of an incurable disease. For the millionth time, THERE IS NO CURE, THERE IS ONLY PREVENTION, and those who blatantly refuse to prevent it are sociopaths. Or paid trolls, hired by sociopaths.
You didn’t answer any of my questions, just went on another rant.
I was sent to the hospitals when the pandemic first hit to screen people coming into hospitals, so I was there too.
I’m sorry to all the people who have died from this disease, as well as those who have died from influenza, heart disease, cancer, car accidents, etc.
You don’t seem to be quite as passionate about the flu deaths year after year before COVID, and blaming random strangers for causing unneeded death from this incurable disease by not wearing masks. Not as many deaths, but deaths none the less. Why is that not a big deal to you? Because COVID caused more deaths? That’s pretty insensitive.
And I’m also happy for the majority of people who have minimal to no symptoms with COVID.
I am also not going to blame and yell at random strangers for not wearing a mask or not getting a vaccine. If you’re that scared, stay home and live your life in fear. You’ll be fine there.
There was an anti-mask movement in 1918, too, when tens of millions were dying, and if I'd lived then I'd have been just as pissed off at the anti-maskers as I am at the anti-vaxxers no!
There's something very deeply wrong with a person who says that their personal freedoms are more important than the deaths of millions, and it's not like the anti-vax nutballs even have anything to gain through their foolishness. No, they're being assholes for the sake of being assholes, and proudly defending their "right" to be assholes! They deserve nothing but contempt and social penalties. Legal penalties too, but that's not up to me.
Ok. You didn’t respond to anything I said again. I’m done with you.
People like you just enjoy hearing yourselves talk.
I’ll just finish by saying you are a piece of crap for not wearing a mask during all of the flu seasons before COVID, as innocent people died because of your carelessness.
"I work in the helping professions"
The most pretentious, self-important, look-at-me-I'm-a-HERO bullshit thing I've heard in a long time. And coming from such a science-ignorant clown makes it even worse.
So what? All she is saying to those in the know is she has no understanding of the topic under discussion, and she is reflexively deferring to the authoritarian jackboots that are trying to kill or enslave us all. Were she alive in 1930s Germany, Hitler would have considered her a model citizen.