You get a call from your daughter and she says: "dad, Bill Cosby offered me Quaaludes and also offered to have sex with me. Should I do it? " Would you tell her that she is free to make the decision if she wants to?
My guess is that every good parent would say "no".
I do think Bill Cosby is innocent. IF he’s guilty, the women deserve HALF OF THE BLAME! These women only cried rape when Bill didn’t deliver on making them stars. Btw: The same goes for Harvey Weinstein. Fuck the #metoo hypocrites.
shareNot all these women were aspiring actresses. Some already made a name for themselves. (ie: Janice Dickinson).
shareThey must’ve wanted something from him…… Otherwise, why would they be talking to BILL COSBY????
shareThe first incident happened in the 60s before he was a thing.
shareshe was working for a talent agency and was at a party at Cosby's house who was a popular stand up comedian and who was in a new NBC show called 'I Spy'. He was certainly a thing. and it was 1965. I can only imagine what kind of wild party it was.
shareJanice Dickinson jumped on the bandwagon so she had a story for her book.
She made everything up so she could profit.
The problem is Bill Cosby admitted what he did in his deposition for the civil trial. The problem is people that are trying to pretend Cosby is innocent are ignoring that glaring fact. The only reason Cosby was freed from prison is that a former prosecutor gave him immunity from prosecution prior to the deposition for the civil trial so that he wouldn't be able to plead the 5th amendment and avoid the deposition.
shareHe admitted to drugging and raping Janice Dickinson specifically in his deposition? What's the actual text cause I don't remember hearing that at all. All I remember is he admitted to acquiring drugs for women who he planned to have sex with; much like a guy goes out to get alcohol/party drugs for a party because he knows women are going to want it. Janice is a whore. I'm sorry. A crazy, wacked out whore. I watched her on America's Next top Model and she was a bragger and nut then. She either was lying in her book or lying in court. Either way, she was proven to be completely unreliable.
shareDickinson wasn't suing him, the depositions covered the women that were suing him. Even if you think a woman that has been given 3 quaaludes and alcohol is still coherent enough to consent you still have one big problem in the fact that quaaludes are a controlled substance that you need a prescription to obtain, and which is illegal to provide to anyone without a prescription. Even if he didn't fuck the women or have them jack him off which he admits to in the depositions, he still broke federal laws when he provide the drugs to the women as he is not a medical doctor with a license to prescribe drugs. Then there is the problem of one of the women that he admitted giving booze and drugs to was under the legal age to consume alcohol. Cosby has broken so many laws it isn't even funny, simply convicting him of everything he did wrong outside of rape would still have the old fart in prison till he died.
shareExactly. What other reason would he need for offering Quaaludes to a woman? If it's consensual as he claims, what were the Quaaludes for?
shareWell it gets even funnier because they ask him if he takes them himself to which he says he does not because they would make him sleepy. So the old fart knows they are going to knock the women on their asses and he also states that he gave the woman 3. So it is also just lucky he didn't kill any of them giving them more than the normal dose and then having them wash it down with alcohol. Those women could have been fucked by space aliens and wouldn't have known it or been able to stop it.
shareExactly. I can't believe people are coming to Cosby's defence as if carrying around Quaaludes to give women for sex doesn't sound like he's attempting to rape them.
shareSo if a guy offers a woman a drink, weed, or some coke - She loses all inhibition and it's rape? Sorry, then every man on Earth is rapist and the word has lost all meaning. Might as well call every man on Earth a pedophile too since women act like children and are completely unaware of everything. They accept drugs the way children accept candy, hence are no different. Now we have every right to take away their right to vote. They're children!
I want to see the SOLID proof, that someone was OUT COLD, KNOCKED OUT while Cosby was fucking her. Then I'll call him a rapist. Not this bullshit of, oh we partied, had drugs together, then sex, but I woke up and forgot what happened.
So if a guy offers a woman a drink, weed, or some coke - She loses all inhibition and it's rape?
Yes, im forgetting that part because there is no proof any of that happened.
shareHow could there be proof if the women were out cold?
shareSo you agree there was no real proof then
share60+ accusations is an interesting thing.
shareNo one doubts that women that traded sex for career help, would be happy to pretend they were victims instead of whores.
shareDoesn't that make him a whore too for wanting to give these women drugs and have sex with him?
shareUmmmmm.....no.
shareNo, it makes him a whore monger. Being difference between paying for sex and being paid to have sex. Both are morally depraved of course. And illegal.
BUT, it's NOT rape. That's the point.
3 girls who accused him were underage. That's rape.
shareIs that what he was doing time for? 1974? At the playboy mansion? Good Lord. What the hell was a 15 year old doing at the playboy mansion?
That crux of this issue is a move to criminalize normal male behavior, ie having sex with women while under the influence of drugs or alcohol.
Regardless of what she was doing at the Playboy mansion she was not old enough to make that decision.
shareSure, but 1974? That's not what he was arrested for, that's ancient news and I bet there are no witnesses, not after that long.
And that is not what this is even about. It's about whether having consensual sex while high is rape.
"IF he’s guilty, the women deserve HALF OF THE BLAME! "
Are you mentally handicapped?
Do you really think the women are 100% innocent in this? YOU’RE the one who is mentally handicapped…..
shareYou can't questions someone else's morality or sanity, you forfeit that right when you said women who were raped deserve half the blame. It's a baseless statement - and frankly makes you an awful person.
shareNo, it makes the women whores. They only cried rape when Bill didn’t deliver on a career or career advancement for these women. FYI At some point, you need to stop listening to CNN, MSNBC, WaPo….and actually think for yourself.
shareGetting raped makes you are whore?
"FYI At some point, you need to stop listening to CNN, MSNBC, WaPo….and actually think for yourself."
What are you talking about, you fucking psycho?!
So, you admit that the women knew that the quaaludes were quaaludes and that they had the choice to have sex with him or not.
Interesting. So, what is your problem with the scenario?
Once they are "inebriated" they are no longer in the position to say "no" or "get off of me". It's not a free for all just because they agreed to take the drug. Say that I agree to fight you and you knock me out, that doesn't mean once I'm knocked out you can keep swinging at me.
But you didn't answer my question.
Once they are "inebriated" they are no longer in the position to say "no" or "get off of me".
exactly. As a woman, I do feel for women who regret getting drunk and not being in control of themselves. But I don't appreciate this 'new' idea that the minute they are inebriated a woman no longer can give consent. Well, then that needs to work for the man as well. If they are both drunk, then who raped who. Or are we now supposed to have a trial to find out who was MORE drunk? Give me a break.
But I don't appreciate this 'new' idea that the minute they are inebriated a woman no longer can give consent.
I'm 39 and completely agree. It's like all the rights women fought for are now going backwards. Watching women, who claim to be modern independent 'I don't need no man' types, suddenly wanting to be treated like delicate little puffs of seafoam is really confusing and annoying to me.
Look at what's happening with Brittany Spears. We don't know if she's medically ill or what. I feel at her age (she's my age) she should be able to make her own choices and spend her money as she sees fit; even if it means blowing it all. But that's what's going to happen to all of us if suddenly the courts get to turn us into children just because we choose to have a some drinks
Agreed.
The case of Britney Spears is simply scary. How they can transform her in a little child and she can do nothing. How they can even force her to work no matter she wants to retire and start a family. That's slavery in a nutshell and... it's scarily legal. All you need to do is get some experts that sign it, and suddenly slavery is OK.
I had a couple of arguments about that in the subforum. It's even more shocking when you see some users that like to rant about how bad evil whites that had slaves... suddenly supporting an obvious case of slavery.
I would tell her he's a man whore and probably diseased.
Back to the false rape accusation.
A man and a woman agree to have sex, and get high or druck together, even if only one get's high, and then has sex, is not rape.
YOu ever have sex with a drunk woman?
No, I've never had sex with a drunk woman because that's rape.
shareReally? Are you a virgin?
shareYou equate not having sex with a drunk woman to being a virgin?
sharePretty much. Maybe a mormon or some other non-drinker.
EVERY MAN I KNOW, has had sex with drunk women. EVERY WOMAN i know, has had sex with drunk men.
Hell, my mom and dad liked having a beer or two some evenings, and I'm sure that was true when they were younger, and still, you know... stuff....
You're hanging out with the wrong people.
shareDude, you're being silly. The rule you are trying to apply to bill, would put well over 90% of the adult population in prison, for the rest of their lives.
shareMaybe that explains why there are so many abortion and people being raped.
shareNope. It explains why the metoo movement is a witch hunt.
Seriously. Are you very young?
Late 30s and never had had sex with anyone drunk.
shareVery unusual. Never dated anyone who drank socially?
shareYes, but that doesn't mean I wanted to have sex with them.
shareYou dated them but didn't want to have sex with them? Or you never wanted to have sex with them after a night out that involved drinking?
shareThe latter. A drink or two, fine. But not if she's drunk.
shareA normal woman, two drinks and she is legally drunk, and would be considered under the influence for driving purposes.
You ever notice all the bars in the world? In all of them, couples get drunk and then go home and have sex. Ditto for illegal drugs.
Hollywood? In the 60s? 70s? 80s? Drug and alcohol fueled Sodom and Gomorrah.
Tell you what, let's just declare the WORLD a prison and that every man AND WOMAN are already serving time for these "crimes".
We're talking about Quaaludes though. Why else would Cosby give them drugs? Just have sex with them.
shareSo, we're talking quaaludes. Why do you think that changes anything?
shareHe was literally giving it to women for the purpose of having sex with them.
shareNot in the way that you imply. He was HANDING it to them, for them to willingly take. Stop implying otherwise.
shareHe admitted to it in a deposition. What kind of person carries Quaaludes on them for the purpose of having sex?
shareHe admitted to handing them out. Like passing out candy to a bunch of trick-or-treaters on Halloween. Like getting weed from your drug-dealer. That's not rape.
shareTHERE ARE A LOT OF DEFENSIVE RAPE ENTHUSIASTS HOLDING COSBY'S NUTS FOR HIM.🤔
shareHe admitted to HANDING the drugs to them for them to willingly take.
What kind of person does that? A whoremonger, that is what kind of person does that.
A rapist would be the one that does what you people imply, ie slip the qualude into their drink when the woman is not looking.
Bill Cosby is innocent, of rape.
Every good parent would have already taught her right from wrong, or how to take care of herself BEFORE coming to that situation.
I'm a single woman. I can't say 100% if Cosby is guilty of these accusations. I just believe in innocent until proven guilty and that women need to take responsibility for their actions and to stop acting like gold digging whores.
But if my daughter (which I don't have one) came to me with that statement, I would say: you are a free, modern, adult, mature woman and you can have sex with whomever you want to. and you know what drugs do to you since it's been rammed into your mind since pre school. But if you want to knowingly take mind altering drugs and have sex with a married celebrity then you do you but be prepared for the consequences.
The same could be said for suicide. They know the result, but I don't think many good parents would tell their children to go ahead and do it.
sharemost good parents would probably also tell their kids not to go outside because they MIGHT be shot walking out their door. Or travel to a different country because it's not the USA and they could get in trouble! or don't do a sport because they might get hurt. I don't quite understand what you are trying to get across. If an adult knowingly takes drugs and has sex with someone, that's them being partiers. doesn't equal to rape. sorry.
shareSo a man can do whatever he wants to the woman while she is on the drugs that were provided to her?
shareIf she KNOWINGLY took those drugs with the INTENTIONS of KNOWINGLY having sex with someone. yes. sorry that sounds cruel and harsh but that is reality. I don't believe a man belongs in prison or have his entire life and career ruined because he thought he had the go ahead and she 'changed her mind' 50 years after the fact.
If you don't want to take into account the scenario and facts, then there's no more point in arguing with you.
So if he started slapping her around because he "thought" that's what kind of sex she wanted, he gets to make that decision for her?
If it wasn't such a big deal, why offer Quaaludes to begin with? It's obvious he wants to do things to them and get away with it.
I also blame her for being stupid enough to agree with it.
No longer answering your ridiculous hypothetical questions because they are pointless.
As for the Quaaludes; you obviously have no knowledge of what they were and how they were used in the 70s and 80s. You have no knowledge of drug culture at all, of Hollywood, celebrities, and the party scene. Do you really think no woman took drugs ever? That it was only something men did to rape women? This is my last post to you because you are now acting so stupid that I can't take you seriously.
He literally admitted to giving them Quaaludes for the purpose of sex in a deposition.
https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/07/us/bill-cosby-quaaludes-sexual-assault-allegations/index.html
KNOWINGLY...ALL WE KNOW IS THE KNEW THEY WERE TAKING THE PILLS...YOU DON'T KNOW THEY WERE KNOWINGLY CONSENTING TO SEX AS WELL...OR WHATEVER ELSE HAPPENS WHILE THEY ARE ASLEEP...IS IT STILL COOL IF I HAVE MY HOMIES TAKE TURN?...HOW ABOUT THE FACT THAT 6O WOMEN SUPPOSEDLY KNOWINGLY TOOK COSBY'S CANDY...THAT'S A LOT OF WOMEN...ARE WE ASSUMING HE NEVER GAVE ANY TO WOMEN WHO DIDN'T KNOW ITS EFFECTS OR WHERE IT WAS LEADING?...OR EVEN THAT THEY WERE TAKING IT AT ALL?...COME ON.🙂
shareIf your 20 years old daughter makes that call, you raised an adult chick with the mental age of a 5 years old girl.
If she's in her 20s and needs to call daddy to ask if it's OK if she has some drugs and sex, she has bigger problems than having some sex with quaaludes.
I agree, but this was a hypothetical. No good parent would tell their child to go ahead and do it.
shareOf course you shouldn't tell her to go ahead... and neither the opposite. The sexual life of your 20 years old daughter shouldn't be your call, as simple as that.
shareI never mentioned the age.
shareThis talk is about the Cosby case. The chicks that accused were in their 20s/30s back then, so that's the age to be considered in the imaginary example you proposed.
shareBarbara Bowman was 17.
Renita Chaney Hill was 15.
Judy Huth was 15.
Lisa Jones was 17.
Other women claimed they never agreed to being drugged.
I checked the first one you mentioned 15 years old.
https://newsone.com/3073151/renita-chaney-hill-bill-cosby-picture-pages/
Renita Chaney Hill: Cosby Drugged, Sexually Assaulted Me For Years While He Paid My Tuition
Well, not once. For years. Wow.
However... you know something weird about all these cases? Most people usually talk about their problems, so you imagine that after "years being raped" they could call quite a bunch of people to the witness stand where they state that this it's not some made-up new story, that they heard about it back then. That doesn't happen, though. Odd, huh?
That's why it's so difficult to prove rape. Uness there is a video, it's almost impossible.
shareThere are nearly 200,000 people incarcerated in the US for sexual assault and rape offenses; more than the total population of Little Rock, Arkansas. Rape is a crime that prosecutors are manifestly able - and eager - to put people in prison for. And it happens every day in state and federal courtrooms around the country without need to violate fundamental Constitutional rights dating back to the country’s foundational principles
shareSTILL 15...HE POLANSKI'D IT.
shareand that is why your scenario is dumb. what adult woman is going to call daddy if it's ok to go party with a celebrity? Not happening and this isn't the 1800s. Daddy doesn't get a say regardless. the 'no good parent' thing is pointless.
shareI'd tell her to get fucked up and ride Bill's big dick. That chance might only come up once, and taking ludes and banging a celebrity are on her bucket list anyway.
shareSo here's my question. You are asking what parents would say to Bill Cosby offered me Quaaludes and also offered to have sex with me. Should I do it I want to know where that is the situation? As far as I can tell from the complaints, the offer to have sex didn't come until after the quaaludes were provided.
So sure, you can say it was a different time and that one might expect to have sex at those sorts of gatherings. But let's say first off that they knew they were taking a drug, but didn't consent to sex then how is that not rape?
A lot of the complaints said that it was slipped into their drink. Do those who think he's innocent feel the same way about a woman at a party that has rohypnol slipped in her drink? Or are they just a responsible for their actions because they went out to a party?
Aside from slipping drugs to unsuspecting people which is undeniably rape, I think the biggest question is why he was offering the Quaaludes in the first place to the people who knew. People will defend Cosby and say "well, the women took the drugs". I mean, sure they made a bad decision, but that doesn't make Cosby off the hook. Do they really think he offered the drugs and nothing happened and it was solely the womens fault?
shareAs far as I can tell from the complaints, the offer to have sex didn't come until after the quaaludes were provided.
If she is unconscious, or drugged when you do those things with her, then yes, it's problematic.
The problem with Cosby is that most of the complaints against him the women claim they didn't know they were taking the drug. It was slipped in a drink. That's a problem. What I was also trying to say was that if a woman knowingly took the drug, but did not take it for intercourse, it's problematic to be having sex with her. If someone, female or male, is completely out of it, they cannot consent.
This isn't about smoking some weed or having a drink and then going at it. This about having sex with someone who is in an almost catatonic state because of said drug. Do you feel the same way about someone slipping rohypnol in a drink? Or what about being handed a pill and being told it was say an amphetamine by someone you trust, so you take it and again it's rohypnol. None of that means that you are consenting to having sex with someone. One that drug is in you, how can you consent?
Say you are on a date with someone and you have sex consensually, but you both fall asleep. If you wake up before her and just try to slip in while she is sleeping, that can be rape. If you are with a man and same situation, and you either wake him up with a blow job, or even intercourse, that too can be sexual assault or rape.
Just because someone gets drunk, or high, it does not mean they deserve to be raped.
The problem with Cosby is that most of the complaints against him the women claim they didn't know they were taking the drug. It was slipped in a drink. [...] Do you feel the same way about someone slipping rohypnol in a drink?
This about having sex with someone who is in an almost catatonic state
Just because someone gets drunk, or high, it does not mean they deserve to be raped.
Yeah. I was actually raped while drunk. And no I didn't press charges because I was drunk and who would believe me.
shareI also used the example of sleeping, because when I volunteered at the sexual assault centre in my university I had a male caller who was really upset and confused. He had gotten drunk at a party and passed out. Woke up to a woman giving him head. He did not want it, told her to stop a few times, she didn't. He said he tried to push her off but he was still intoxicated and she applied teeth when he did. She finished him off. He felt like he had been assaulted, but because he did orgasm, he felt he couldn't do anything about it. He didn't go to the police either because everyone he told laughed at him and told him how lucky he was. That was 25 years ago. I can almost guarantee that that event has stuck with him.
There are many reasons why people don't come forward. A few of the women who accused Cosby came forward in the 80s and the 90s and nothing was done.
dont trust no N babe
shareThese women are ho's hoping to get into stardom or advance careers. Maybe it's genetics or the gender because they're all sycophants. Will to get harassed or touched only to extract revenge on the patriarchy once they're in a position of power themselves.
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