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Prop gun contained a live round.

posted 3 years ago by [deleted]
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"Prop gun" might be a little misleading, because they will use real guns on set. It's kind of baffling that they do, especially after what happened to Brandon Lee while making the Crow, but they do.

Anyway, the union that covers propmasters sent an e-mail to its members saying that a live round was in the prop gun, for some reason. That might seem obvious, but Lee was actually killed when a blank was fired because a bullet, or part of one, was lodged in the barrel of a prop gun. It wasn't a live round. Also, the propmaster on this movie wasn't a union member, so possibly not very experienced?

just a little update, for anyone interested.

https://www.aol.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-visibly-distraught-photos-142757269.html

That's right, aol entertainment. Old school. They are still around.

"IndieWire reports IATSE Local 44, which covers prop masters, sent an email to its members early on Friday morning saying that the gun used in the scene contained "a live round." The production's propmaster was purportedly not a member of Local 44. Yahoo Entertainment reached out to the group for comment but did not immediately receive a response."

[–] Keelai (34880) 3 years ago

It turns out a blank is a real bullet without the projectile which is the top part. A blank still uses gun powder. Sometimes more gun powder is used to get a more dramatic effect

The prop gun is a real gun.

Excellent article with bullet vs blank illustrations:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59006905

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

Yes, and a live round means that it's a real, intact cartridge. It can be used to fire a bullet.

So either they were using live bullets while filming for some reason or a live round found its way into the gun by accident.

[–] Keelai (34880) 3 years ago

A non-union worker and likely inexperienced. I wouldn't cut corners on employees who are responsible for gun and stunts safety.

Perhaps the industry should require a warning to actors about the proper handling of prop guns before filming starts.

[–] chilone (17883) 3 years ago

Hey Komrade Keelai, when are you going to produce those racist posts you LIED about me making? Answer: Never. You will ignore being called out on being a LIAR, hoping it will blow over because you're a lying, cowardly weasel. It won't blow over, LIAR.

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

Dang it, someone replies to my post and it turns out to be over some past grudge with another poster here. Disappoitning!
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[–] chilone (17883) 3 years ago

Sorry but this loser is making false accusations and needs to be called out.

Carry on. 😀

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

I'm staying neutral, since I have no idea what the history is there.

[–] darkpast (8738) 3 years ago

aol still exists ?

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

Incredible, right? I actually have an e-mail account I use there for signing up for sights like this, to cut down on the amount of spam in my main account.

[–] Keelai (34880) 3 years ago

Yep! I prefer their email because its interface and graphics are simple and cconcise. Their news feed is good, too.

[–] samoanjoes (56872) 3 years ago

That's right, aol entertainment. Old school. They are still around.

Do you have a digital file of that link so I can put it on my floppy disk?

[–] BrundleFly (44) 3 years ago

The only movie offer that propmaster will get in the future, is The Brown Bunny 2

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

I hear Vincent Gallo was firing the real thing in that one, too. No blanks.

Sorry...

[–] BrundleFly (44) 3 years ago

He did, he blew his wad, or wait..she blew his wad?

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

The actor firing the weapon is the last check. Seriously how can you not know a blank from a live round? Maybe Alec would have had he taken some NRA approved gun safety training. Maybe he shouldn't have pointed a weapon at his director and other BEHIND THE CAMERA crew members.

He's a piece of shit murderer who belongs in jail

[–] TexasJack (12516) 3 years ago

You have no idea what you're talking about. No one expects the actors to inspect the rounds loaded in the prop gun. That's the prop master's job.

Maybe the scene called for him pointing the gun toward the camera and firing. That's the area where the DP and director would normally be standing. Investigation will determine that.

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

I do have an idea what I'm talking about and anyone who has fired a weapon knows what a real round vs a blank looks like especially in a six shooter. I'm guessing you've never fired one

Doesn't matter, he pulled the trigger he killed her end of

[–] sokar (2098) 3 years ago

He's a piece of shit murderer who belongs in jail

Murder is premeditated.

Are you suggesting he planned the death of this woman and did it on set with witnesses?

What utter nonsense.

[–] MavKilledGoose (860) 3 years ago

Baldwin's liability will be his role as a producer. As an actor who fired a fatal shot, he's closer to being one of the victims.

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

Baldwin is a victim now? LOL fucking please

[–] MavKilledGoose (860) 3 years ago

Details are still forthcoming. I don't want to be like the jackass who shouted "Murderer!" but if Baldwin had been directed to discharge the gun, unknowingly firing a live round, then, yes, he's a victim. Not only is that deeply traumatic, but as a public figure he'll never hear the end of it.

Continue with your required 20 hours of hate.

[–] TexasJack (12516) 3 years ago

True.

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

yeah, we don't know much at this point. Someone posted on Reddit who claimed to be involved in the industry and they wrote a detailed post about the steps taken when they use a prop gun like that. It did seem legit to me. He wrote that there is a final check with the actor, but the prop master is supposed to do that with the actor. It's really the prop masters responsibility.

They were using a non union prop master, which leads me to believe the prop master may have been inexperienced.

[–] MaximRecoil (4631) 3 years ago

"You have no idea what you're talking about. No one expects the actors to inspect the rounds loaded in the prop gun. That's the prop master's job."

That's funny, because in the real word, the person who pulls the trigger is responsible for what happens as a result of his own actions. Somehow logic goes out the window just because they are playing make-pretend?

[–] Adam60z (3774) 3 years ago

Most likely Putin operatives working on behalf of Chump sabotagee it. Either that or Rose McGowan and Dylan Farrow paid off the KGB to do it so Alec would be blamed.