This *really* backfired. - Will Smith Discussion

[–] Burgershmurger (1373) 3 years ago

I didn't know Pinkett had a little something something going on with her son's best friend.

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[–] FilmBuff (7263) 3 years ago

Now one wonders if she had a little something going with Chris Rock, too.

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[–] strntz (12462) 3 years ago

LOL

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[–] doctorc1970 (278) 3 years ago

OUCH!

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[–] KBiker (1019) 3 years ago

...not everyone knew that Jada was (is?) getting smashed by some rapper...Now, everyone knows all of these things

I guess I'm not enough of a Hollywood insider, but I don't know any of these things. Who is the alleged rapper who is smashing Jada Pinkett, and what is the source?

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[–] fc31 (5486) 3 years ago

Everything is here: https://moviechat.org/nm0000226/Will-Smith/62414afc6d5fff54222c5db4/Denzel?reply=62418f0c6d5fff54222c6019

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[–] strntz (12462) 3 years ago

You don't need to be an insider. Social media is suddenly full of meme's that brought up the affair, something my wife didn't know about until this happened. She does now, and I suspect a lot of people also just found out as a result of the Oscar incident.

Other than that, it as public knowledge apparenty:

https://people.com/music/august-alsina-no-longer-silent-about-jada-pinkett-smith-relationship/

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[–] ProFromDover (286) 3 years ago

Good idea by the first thread which is way Smith didn't do it that way. He wanted to cause a scene for whatever demented reason those close to him are going to have to reveal some day?

Other than know who he is I've never seen any of his content. Or read anything about him or family. I don't care. But when he disrupts national TV that gets attention.

If it were up to Black Journalists and TV personalities he would pay no price or even get any criticism. If you suggested to ABC's Robin Roberts that smith be thrown out by security after the incident she wouldn't know how to answer the question. He did something that demanded action. Even if you waited to the first commercial break.

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[–] jacotodd47 (1907) 3 years ago

I didn't see it when it actually happened - but I did see a video of it the next day. My conclusion? It was all staged. Staged to get people interested in The Academy Awards again. In that sense, it didn't backfire. More people are discussing The Academy Awards right now than have been in years.

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[–] strntz (12462) 3 years ago

I can't argue with that. That was my first thought since I hadn't watched the broadcast in years and don't know anyone who does, but unless they totally misread the public's reaction, it would appear to still have backfired.

Now, the Academy is "considering" what action to take, and I agree that while they're publicly horrified by the incident, privately they're thrilled. People are talking about the Oscars again, at least for a while.

But I wonder if Smith, as an Academy Award nominee, would have agreed to this considering it exposed all their dirty laundry and made him look like a total tool. If it was some relatively unknown D lister, then yeah.

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[–] Ripkens25 (2034) 3 years ago

Of course it wasn’t staged. (And, the Earth is not flat). Will Smith ruined what should have been the biggest moment in his career. And, now everyone thinks he’s a dick. He should have been thrown out and arrested. And the academy is still weighing options for reprimand.

And people are suggesting he chose to stage all of this?? This is surely one of the worst weeks of his career...and his reputation will never fully recover.

Please, try harder.

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[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

It was a bad look for Smith. I have a hard time believing they were acting there. That slap could have been harder, but it looked like Rock wasn't ready for it. And their reactions afterward seemed pretty convincing to me.

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[–] jacotodd47 (1907) 3 years ago

The thing with Will Smith is he isn't a fool. The guy is smart. This lends more fuel to my contention the slap was staged. I don't believe Will Smith is stupid (or thin skinned) enough to do something like that without there being some purpose behind it. In reality, if that happened and he really was po'd - I think he'd have visited Rock backstage and had a decent, sensible conversation with him. And it certainly would have happened AFTER the broadcast, not during it. Yeah, this was all put together ahead of time and totally planned out. As to why Smith would go for it - I don't know. We'll probably never know the real reason he did what he did. In any event, backfire or not, a lot of people are discussing the show today. That in itself is a win for the Academy Awards.

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[–] Cognoscente (2662) 3 years ago

The thing is, though, Will's mind processed it like this: "You humiliated her in front of millions of people, so I will do the same to you."

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[–] jacotodd47 (1907) 3 years ago

I don't think so. I'm even more convinced now then I was a few days ago the entire escapade was staged.

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[–] Cognoscente (2662) 3 years ago

What's made you more convinced?

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[–] jacotodd47 (1907) 3 years ago

It just seems even more obvious to me. There is no way Will Smith would have done that. If it was real, Rock probably would have pressed charges or sued. The Academy Awards program has been going down the tubes for years now - it needed this kind of publicity. I've read Pfizer is in on it too cuz they have a new drug that cures the ailment Jada Pinkett has. So many fish in the sea on this.....it reeks of a completely planned out, well though out event. Let me ask you this - if you think it was legit, why do you feel that way?

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[–] Cognoscente (2662) 3 years ago

Because NetFlix are being hesitant about having him star in Fast and Loose. Also, Sony will no longer entertain the idea of a Bad Boys 4.

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[–] jacotodd47 (1907) 3 years ago

I suspect then, in his heart of hearts, Smith didn't want to participate in either of those potential projects.

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[–] Macgruber (165) 3 years ago

Do you think we never landed on the moon?

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[–] jacotodd47 (1907) 3 years ago

No, in all seriousness, we landed on the moon, there was no conspiracy. And 911 wasn't a conspiracy. And the JFK Assassination wasn't a conspiracy. And the OJ Simpson case wasn't a conspiracy. However - the Will Smith/Chris Rock nonsense was.

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[–] christomacin (4660) 3 years ago

By who and for what purpose? Sorry, the Pfizer angle doesn't cut it. People at that level don't fool around with marketing and advertising. When they roll out promotional materials for their latest drugs its only after years of meticulous market research. You may not like Big Pharma but they didn't get where they are by accident. Why would you want your Alopecia spokesperson associated with a violent assault? The words "baldness" and "hair loss" were never once mentioned during the incident. Most people didn't even get the reference at all and only know it for what happened after. All of the press after that point has been negative. You think they would have considered this? Pfizer could simply have hired Will and Jada as celebrity endorsers of the drug using his Oscar win as a platform. No need to stage a risky incident with the high likelihood of blowback. And it's not like the Smiths or Pfizer are having money problems or are struggling. Boosting the ratings for the Academy might make more sense, but even this doesn't seem like a sustainable strategy, plus the obvious risk being it would have the exact opposite effect on the public.

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[–] jacotodd47 (1907) 3 years ago

Pfizer is a possibility, the Academy is a possibility, Jada Pinkett and her non-existent career are a possibility, Chris Rock's wallet is a possibility, Will Smith's wallet is a possibility. Chris Rock's struggling tour is a possibility, Will Smith's flagging movie career is a possibility. Will Smith's perceived lack of manhood is a possibility, and so it goes...........

And the end of the road, bottom line purpose for all of these possibilities - $.

And one last thing - I can tell you're not stupid. It is really hard for me to believe you were taken in by this nonsense. The only possibility for you is you must be extremely young. I'm going to venture to say you are in your early twenties. Now tell the truth - ru in your early 20s?

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[–] christomacin (4660) 3 years ago

I'm going to venture you have no idea what you are talking about. No, I'm not a
brainwashed YouTube watching Millennial that has Conspiracism as my default setting. I'm all for skepticism but you are taking this to a level of fanatical fundamentalism.

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[–] jacotodd47 (1907) 3 years ago

I venture, in reality, I have a lot more experience in life than you. I also venture I will be proven right. In the meantime - no reason for us to continue. Best of luck to you.

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[–] Cognoscente (2662) 3 years ago

The more that I think about it, the more that I remember about Bruce Lee having to sign a restraining order when he threatened gangster/director Lo Wei with a knife. 15 days later, Bruce died.

Even if Will doesn't get gunned down by a rival like Tupac did, I hope that he doesn't get shot by a delusional fan like John Lennon did.

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[–] jacotodd47 (1907) 3 years ago

Hey Cogno - looks like we have a lot in common - I'm a huge Bruce Lee and John Lennon fan. Lee's death was medical - Lennon's, as you know, was intentionally done by a lunatic. Anyway, I didn't know that about Bruce Lee (restraining order filed 15 days before he passed). Thanks for the info.

Even though I believe the SMith/Rock incident was BS - it really doesn't matter in terms of what a nutcase fan might do.

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[–] christomacin (4660) 3 years ago

"have a lot more experience in life than you"

The quality of reasoning in your posts suggest otherwise. More like a lifetime of prideful arrogance.

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[–] jacotodd47 (1907) 3 years ago

Yeah - trying to get a rise out of me? It isn't going to work. I have nothing else to say to you. Take care.

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[–] christomacin (4660) 3 years ago

A lifetime of experience? A case of quantity over quality.. lol

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[–] jacotodd47 (1907) 3 years ago

Yeah - I doubt that. More of a case of a massive ego that operates in fantasy land (you) vs. a realist.

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[–] christomacin (4660) 3 years ago

"trying to get a rise out of me?"

successfully, it would seem

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[–] Heisenberg (6730) 3 years ago

Of course this was staged.
Only gullible idiots buy in this reality tv stunts.

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[–] Mensa1856 (135) 3 years ago

You act like you know him personally. You don't.

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[–] jacotodd47 (1907) 3 years ago

Not really. You don't get to where Will Smith is by being a impetuous fool. This is exactly the type of person that would have done what Smith did to Chris Rock. I don't believe for one second Will Smith would do something like that without there being a sensible reason to do it. For me, the only question is, what was that reason? Knowing that just about everything in life boils down to $, I tend to think someone (maybe even multiple parties) wrote him a big enough check.

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[–] janelsenor (2044) 3 years ago

That would have to be a big check to tank his career the way it has. Two of his projects have been put on hold over this.

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[–] jacotodd47 (1907) 3 years ago

I'm sure it was when you consider Pfizer was probably involved. As far as the two projects, as I said previously, I doubt Smith really wanted to do them in the first place.

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[–] janelsenor (2044) 3 years ago

lol

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[–] jacotodd47 (1907) 3 years ago

I'm a little bored tonight so, just to be sure, I took another look at the Rock/Smith incident on You tube. There is absolutely no doubt it's BS. Take a look at Will Smith's face as he walks away after the slap. He's practically laughing. Then when he sits down and shouts the expletive (twice I might add) - he's acting. It's obvious. There is no question in my mind this was faked, and planned out in advance. Whether or not it was a good idea for Will Smith to do this remains to be seen. Rock has already benefited as the ticket sales for his tour have skyrocketed. But rest assured, anyone who reads this - it was 100% fake.

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[–] christomacin (4660) 3 years ago

Speak for yourself. I'm not assured by your assurances.

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[–] jacotodd47 (1907) 3 years ago

Take a real good look at the video. Especially when Smith walks away from Rock. You'll see what I'm talking about. It looks even more fake than wrestling does - and we all know wrestling is fake.

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[–] christomacin (4660) 3 years ago

I've taken a good look at it. It shows how narcissistic and out of touch they are. If Smith thought by acting like a WWF wrestler the rest of us would find it as amusing as he and his wife evidently did then they were mistaken. And I didn't hear much laughing once the reality sunk in what had happened. Still not a motive in sight either, other than vanity and stupidity of the Dynamic Duo.

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[–] jacotodd47 (1907) 3 years ago

Not a motive in sight? Have you seen what happened to Chris Rock's tour - in terms of ticket sales? Suddenly the Academy Awards are back and people are interested. Everyone suddenly knows what Alopecia is. As far as Will Smith himself - it's going to take time to figure out why he did what he did. In the immediate short term, it was for the check (possibly multiple checks) he received.

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[–] christomacin (4660) 3 years ago

Chris Rock had no problem filling auditorium before this. Every one knows what Alopeica is? All they had to do was have Jada and Will Smith talk about what Alopecia is, without the unwanted baggage. Why the slap? Totally destroys whatever value they might have as a spokesperson. That's too risky a marketing strategy for a company like Pfizer. That's not how marketing at this level works. Smith is going to get "checks" for slapping Chris Rock? Why? If he slapped Rock when he wasn't supposed then those checks are going to be cancelled. Why would Pfizer want to pay for that?

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[–] jacotodd47 (1907) 3 years ago

I'm sorry but I think you are wrong. I appreciate your opinion though. Best of luck.

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[–] GirlNamedSue (240) 3 years ago

"What he *should* have done (at most) is wait for a commercial break, go on stage and pull Chris Rock aside and air him out in front of the audience if he felt Rock was over the line, then taken his seat. If he had done that, he'd probably be a hero today."

Oh yes! That would have gotten his point across and he would have been a hero to every woman on the planet. A man does not have to slap someone to defend his wife. He wouuld have still gotten the oscar and not ruined his night.

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[–] AmeriGirl26 (14486) 3 years ago

Yeah, some people think he was "defending his wife's honor," but to be fair, Jada has no honor. Evidently she has been a terrible wife to Will over the past 20 years, and his emotional and psychological health has taken a toll from it. It is said that she has NPD, and is more than happy to emotionally abuse him and humiliate him as a cuckold, as well as making him take a "hands-off" approach to parenting, rather than parent their kids the traditional way.

That, and Will Smith has changed a lot over the past 30 years. He had a carefully crafted image of being an awesome guy, and when he first came on the acting scene, he was very cool. But fame changed him over time. A lot of people are not aware that later on in his career, after he became famous (and after marrying Jada), he turned into an asshole behind the scenes. But nobody was allowed to say anything because he could destroy jobs if anyone spoke out negatively about him. I mean, if he's willing to hit a fellow black man in front of cameras like that, he's probably been hitting other people who piss him off behind the scenes too. Some directors and producers who worked with him in recent years said that the slap was not unexpected at all.

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[–] Hans-Wilhelm (1359) 3 years ago

Millions upon millions of men are bald or balding. There are a million bald jokes.
What the hell makes this cheating whore so damn special that you can't even tease G.I. Jane in her presence?

Not a damn thing.
Will is an idiot, she's a cheating whore.

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[–] TheArgentinian (7109) 3 years ago

His reaction had nothing to do with Jada but how he was going to be perceived as a man. So yeah, it backfired. Except for some weirdos on Twitter who give him kudos for the slap.

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[–] TinaKimo (892) 3 years ago

Will was laughing at the joke until he turned to the side and saw his wife upset. That's what happened. I can't get mad over that. Folks need to move on from this, acting like Will killed someone!!!!

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