Apologizing bullies
If a high school bully wanted to apologize to you now, would you want that apology? Would it help close old wounds or reopen them?
shareIf a high school bully wanted to apologize to you now, would you want that apology? Would it help close old wounds or reopen them?
shareI once unexpectedly encountered an old high school bully in the grocery store. I towered over him at that point and he was flustered as hell, couldn't make eye contact with me. In the bullying clique he had been a part of, the leader had committed suicide. Karma. Go figure.
shareI guess the fact that he could not make eye contact shows that he was ashamed. While I don't harbor any anger towards anybody who was unkind to me in junior high, I do hope that they eventually matured to the point of realizing what they did was wrong. I got picked on for... of all things... being a teacher's kid. Like I could help that! ๐
shareMy experience was almost stereotypical of what you see in movies. I was the "new kid" in school, emerging from a class one day with an armload of books. These three football jocks bore down on me and the guy I'm mentioning elbowed me, knocking my books down. He was actually the smallest of the three. Guess he felt emboldened. The biggest, the leader, was the one who committed suicide a couple of years later. Like I said, karma.
shareI think one of the ways that I have been able to heal from any bullying is reminding myself that most bullies are miserable people. The suicide kind of confirms that theory.
I'm sorry you had to experience bullying. Even though the pain is in the past it can leave scars.
What I find disturbing is that school bullying has become inextricably connected to school or other mass shootings, ever since Columbine. In my day, it never came to that. It was,"Ok, meet me across the street after school and we'll duke it out!"
shareI might appreciate an apology, but things tend to have a way of working themselves out. Case in point:
One kid who was an asshole to me, and also just a cruel person in general who I recall once pepper sprayed some food and then gave it to animals and another time found a pile of human shit in the school yard and flung some with a stick onto some poor kid, was killed by a suicide bomber in Afghanistan. No tears there.
Someone who was a dick to me in high school for a year in the locker room ended up getting in a car accident a few years later and testing positive for HIV. I think I burst out laughing upon hearing about it.
But, yes an apology could be nice. I know there's a few people that I'd ask forgiveness of, if possible.
An apology in my scenario might have been nice, but the sheer fact of his nervousness and that he couldn't make eye contact with me spoke volumes and was satisfying.
shareI read your account of that and itt makes sense. It sounds like he had obtained some much needed humility since then.
Perhaps if you ever run into him again, a smile, confident demeanor and a kind, but directed eye contact "hello" might be all you need to demonstrate the difference between how far the two of you have diverged.
Yeah, the suicide of his leader definitely seemed to have made a difference, produced some humility. That chance encounter was so long ago that I don't anticipate any more. I've had many other encounters of staring down enemies since then.
shareSpeaking of bullies who met bad fates, I read many years back that a girl who was cruel to me in elementary school was murdered. Somebody shot and killed her. I hate to say it, but my first thought was "I wonder who she finally pushed over the edge?"
shareWhy is it that almost all bullies in high school tend to be jocks on the football team? It seems to be a stereotype but it's also actually true. I was also a jock (wrestling and track) and a precursor to the nerd and geek, a "bookworm" and kind of a quiet guy. Didn't belong to any cliques but had individual friends from all of them.
shareWhile I think you're right that a lot of high school bullies tend to be on the football team I do have one story I should share that redeems one football player. I got picked on briefly in high school because during my first month there I made 100 on a chemistry quiz and blew the curve, thus angering a small pack of immature boys in my class. They picked on me for a while and it was hard because I was new at the school and wanted to fit in. Eventually I started dating a guy on the football team who confronted the boys who were picking on me. They never picked on me again. ๐
shareI played football myself, with my buddies in the local park on the weekends. So, you've noticed what I have, that unmistakable pattern of football players and their pumped up aggressiveness, spilling over into their personal lives. Seems like NFL players are frequently facing charges of sexual assault or domestic battery. Where is that coming from?
shareI don't really know but my best guess is that it originates all the way back in caveman times. The bigger guy exerted his perceived superiority over the smaller guy, to gain some advantage, because he could.
shareIn this movie, Tarzan says, "In the jungle...only the strong survive!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-lARN1ishc Can you recognize the actor getting shot by his arrow early in the clip? ๐
shareLooks like Sean Connery to me.
shareIt is. Would you have noticed if I hadn't pointed it out? C'mon now, be honest.๐
shareI think I would have because he has a very recognizable face, but I'm not sure I would have ever seen that clip if you had not showed it to me.
shareThis definitely looks like an honest answer. Yes, he has a recognizable face, but isn't that somewhat due to his becoming a superstar? Much like this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpXjTjIg2qQ
shareThat's a trip to see and something I wouldn't have expected. Thanks for sharing.
share"That's a trip to see..." You must be from my generation. I haven't encountered that expression in ages.โ Thank 4L. She inspired that memory and response. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHYIGy1dyd8
share4L quickly became one of the best posters here in GD. Thanks for your amusing threads, fourlemons!
That's funny. I think I may be younger than you envision but I am kind of a hippie I suppose.
Yeah, she seems to have a pulse for drawing people in with topics that seem mundane but they're actually engaging.
Funny is that I've recently been getting invites on Facebook to join a group titled, 'Happy Hippies.' ๐ Yeah, I'm a former hippie. I prefer to think of myself as having a bohemian lifestyle.
And the rest is history https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053334/trivia/?ref_=tt_dyk_trv
shareit's purely a power trip: football is a very tough-guy type of sport, and you've got to have a violent mentality or you will not fit in with the sport. Especially with people as young as high schoolers, they aren't going to turn off the football psychology when practice is off. Sometimes, they need to take out their intellectual inferiority or inferiority about their looks on someone else. It makes perfect sense why that overdone movie stereotype has relevance to actual high school.
shareWell said. I'm not sure if it's an "overdone movie stereotype" but it's definitely a prevalent one. What are some of the elements of that stereotype? Football players tend to be academically challenged but they're the most popular guys in school. The prom king and queen are almost always the quarterback and the head cheerleader. ๐ Football players can do no wrong off the field. Yeah, size, aggression and dominance are what life is all about. One of the best movies to exemplify that culture. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFTV-phVwAw Live By Your Own Rules. "These players are just runnin' around lawless."
shareI was more or less theorizing, the whole "popular" thing occurred to me but bullies on the football team I think can sometimes be jealous betas. It is sad that popular and charismatic high schoolers can treat the weaker and less popular ones more harshly out of a power trip, that is how people sometimes treated me in school, even though I kinda redeemed myself by acting out and making people laugh.
shareWell, both the theory and stereotype are very real. I think it's interesting that there seems to be a consensus here that this shit seems to occur in Jr. High School, between the grades of 7-9. That's where I experienced it.
I was definitely not weak, but for some reason was targeted because I was quiet, an honor roll student who liked to read. See, that's part of that stereotype. The academically inclined students are the ones that are bullied by the hyper aggressive jocks. The same cliques that existed back then, still do, but now it's come down to retaliating by way of a school shooting. I think you're onto something with the "jealousy" angle.
I never got bullied - I was too cool for school ๐
shareI think it's very rare that someone can get all the way through junior high and high school without ever getting picked on a single time, even if it wouldn't be classified as all out bullying. If you really were that fortunate, then you truly were very fortunate!
shareIโm lucky that I have this ability to get on with people.
shareYou're ugly and stupid. How did that feel?
shareYou assume I have feelings ๐คทโโ๏ธ
shareMy 7th grade bully sent me a friend request on Facebook a few years ago. I rejected it right away. Was he seriously that out of touch that he didn't realize what he did?
shareWhile I don't feel any active anger towards people who were unkind to me in the past, I'm with you, I would not let them be a Facebook friend. I would not want someone who did not have my best interest at heart (even if it was years ago) being able to have a window into my personal life.
shareIt's a cognitive distortion that causes them to remember things differently.
This is a well-documented phenomenon: bullies often minimize the severity of their actions, rationalizing them as jokes or playing around. Because they lacked insight into how harmful their behavior was at the time, they often have little to no recollection of it years later.
If their intent was to make amends, they should have included an apology or acknowledgment of their behavior along with the friend request. Without that, it simply seems like theyโre out of touch with their actions.
100% on point as always. I thought the same thing when samoanjoes wrote his post. An apology accompanying the friend request or preceding it would have been a very different scenario than just a random friend request which seems completely tone deaf.
shareWhen I got the friend request, I remember thinking "this asshole couldn't have at least apologized?!" I wouldn't have accepted anyway but he should have at least made the effort.
shareNo.
Quick story....
The bullied never forgets. As it happens, I was tiny in 7th grade. I was bullied by one person in particular.
About 10 years later I saw him in a bar. I had grown over a foot, worked like a bandit with physical fitness, just out of the Army, tip top physical condition.
He hadn't grown (or maybe he had, but even so, at this point, I was half a foot taller) and had went the typical route - already overweight, already out of shape.
I knew it was him, and would have killed him, literally. Luckily, I had friends with me that stopped me, or else I'd be typing this from my jail cell.
I'm sorry you had to go through being bullied JT. My hardest year in school as far as people being unkind was 8th grade. There's something about 7th and 8th grades that just brings the worst out in some people.
shareThanks - yeah I don't know if it was the grade or more so, I was so tiny.
It wasn't until tenth grade for me- then BOOM! Grew almost a foot that year.
We're you also tiny?
Or, as you say, maybe it was the grade - 7th for me, 8th for you.
Whatever the case may be, did you forgive and forget? I most certainly did not, ten years later - I was even more angry.
I was tiny, but I don't think that was the reason why. I was a teacher's kid and if kids didn't like my dad (he was kind of a hard teacher) they would take it out on me. Also it was a very elite private school for the richest kids in town... and then there was me a middle-class kid of two teachers who just got to go there because my dad taught there, for reduced or free tuition, and I think the other kids had a superiority complex. It was an unusual situation and maybe not the most common reason for being bullied, but nonetheless a few immature guys in the grade below me were not very nice.
I guess I have forgiven them in that I don't feel active anger towards them anymore, but it has also been nearly 40 years. I might have still felt anger towards them if it had only been 10 years. I just see them as immature boys who were probably also fairly unhappy and I was an easy target because I was quiet and shy and in their minds, beneath them.
Yeah, sounds like a few snobs had it in for you.
Ok, my first thought, I'm sorry - it must have been horrible for you. And it was multiple people? That's even worse. I have a question though - how did you get out of it? Obviously you'd have went to a new school in 9th grade (HIgh School) - did the bullies follow you into HIgh School?
See, the way I got out of it was luck. DUring the CHristmas break of 7th grade, we moved. ANd that was it. I never saw the guy again (it was only one person) until that night in the bar.
ANd yes, agreed, there's no active anger - however, what would you do if saw these boys now? What if they walked by your house? WOUld you give them a word or two? In my case, I would probably go outside and give the bully the best beating this 50 something year old body is capable of, LOL. Just being honest.
It was two different groups of boys, one group of two and one group of three for a total of five obnoxious guys. I honestly don't remember how the bullying situation with the group of three ended. They would stand in the stairwell and wait for me and it may have been something as simple as me starting to take a new route from class to class. As far as the other group, the two boys who were much meaner by my recollection, I had to sit at a study hall table with them. It was assigned seating. I finally confided in a teacher who was very kind to me what was happening and she wrote me out of study hall for the rest of the year and I would go to the computer lab instead. She really saved me.
If I saw them now I would just avoid them. I think it would be uncomfortable and awkward to be around them and I'm not going to give them another second of my life.
Ok, but, did they follow you into High School?
You said they were in 7th grade. Which means they'd have come into your High School when you were a Sophomore.
Hey you know this is interesting to me, however, if its bringing up too much unpleasantness for you we can certainly drop it.
In my case, if we didn't move, I'd have had to keep taking it. I was terrified (plus I didn't grow for another three years). Just got lucky - we moved - didn't have any problems at the new school.
No they did not follow me to high school. That private school strangely went through 9th grade which was problematic in and of itself, but in 10th grade people scattered to different schools, whether it was one of the local public schools or another private school or even a boarding school. I went to my neighborhood public school and it was a whole new world for me, a much better one where I felt like I fit in. My high school years were my happiest years in terms of school.
shareOk terrific. You never had to deal with them again. OUtstanding.
And High School was good to you - fantastic. Good for you.
So they say, all's well that ends well......
Nah, don't need to talk to those people ever again.
shareYeah I think it's best to leave the past in the past and I feel no need or desire to ever interact with them again.
shareRight. I have an autism diagnosis and was a complete misfit in high school. Most of the kids just left me alone, a few tried to talk to me but I really struggled socially. I felt pretty overwhelmed in social situations most of the time, unless I knew someone well, and even then things like conversation could be a struggle. I've improved over the years, but back then I could go an entire day without talking to anyone at all.
Anyway, a few of them really gave me a hard time. I doubt many of them grew up to be really great people, but if they did change their ways, I'm glad for the people around them, but I don't need to see them again. If one of them wants to make amends somehow, I don't know, write me a check (kidding).
I know you're kidding, but some sort of monetary consequence for bullying (at the time it's actually happening) does sound like it would be nice. Hit them in the pocketbook (or their parents more realistically) and it could make a difference, and maybe lead to some parental discipline, as well.
I'd support a bullying fine.