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When did "wokeness" become a thing?


I first remember it being used to describe Get Out, because there's the song "Stay Woke" in that movie. Now every film is basically called "woke" unless the Daily Wire made it.

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Yesterday at 3 o’clock.


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When Vikings became Christian

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It's always been around. It used to be called politically correct.

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You can find an article about it on Wikipedia, and no, it's definitely not the same as political correctness.

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It is the same thing by another name.

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Nope.

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Yep.

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You're that desperate to be wrong? Fine by me.🍆

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I'm not wrong though. This woke bullshit is just an evolution of the same thing that's been going on for generations now.

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You are absolutely 100% wrong. They might overlap, but woke is not the same thing. If you really can't be bothered to look it up yourself, I will clearly explain it to you:

Political correctness refers to the use or avoidance of certain words or measures in order not to offend particular groups of people.

Woke means being "aware" of supposed social and political injustices.

You're welcome.🍆

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So like I said, an evolution of the same thing.

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You said it was the "same thing by another name". So no.

It's more extreme than political correctness, now that's for sure.

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SAME THING...DIFFERENT BUZZWORDS...IT'S JUST THE EVOLUTION OF OUR SOCIETY.

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You might want to take this to the Politics board.

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SECONDED.

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Thirded.

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Fourthed, fourthded, er…me too!

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Fifthed

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Nixed.

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Alt right types made it up a few years ago. They are getting angry that women aren't always limited to playing girlfriends who spend all their time in the kitchen and people of color are allowed to be main characters in movies.

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1. No, it was definitely created by lefties to describe their own behavior.

2. The "alt right" types, just noted that their behavior was... different than they claimed, ie a lot more than just more representation, ect.

3. We "alt right" types have never had problems with women being main characters. Aliens, Terminator Two, Resident Evil, Underworld, Ultraviolet, ect, ect. ect. The Critical Drinker has done a couple of hilarious vids that dig into this more deeply. If you want I could link to a good one or two. Very informative and enjoyable.

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The term woke did not originate how you are saying it did.

I guarantee if Aliens was made today people would complain about it being woke. Mad Max Fury Road is called woke constantly. The critical drinker is a garbage grifter. I shouldn't be shocked someone like you enjoys his garbage content. Him praising One Piece is hilarious when you consider the creator's story intent. He is too dumb to realize that is a woke product as well by his standards. He is a dumb windpipe who I never watch anymore. I lost enough brain cells listening to that joke of a critic. Also I find it hilarious how sting the boy and the heron winning best picture is a win for non woke folks. Yeah considering the director of the boy and the heron is a left wing environmentalist, feminist who got trolled for disliking Trump... Yeah total win for your group. I could go on and on on eny that guy is a joke but I will leave it at that.

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It depends how it’s handled. The horror genre has always been dominated by final girls. Because it’s just more scary and tense to watch a physically weaker female try and outsmart a killer after they’ve killed off all of the big strong males. Despite this, no one complains about it final girls, or the horror genre being woke. The final girls don’t come off as stronger or more badass than men, they usually outsmart the killer.

If they remade aliens with Vasquez as Ripley, an LGBT Latina woman, and a total badass, than yes people would complain that it’s woke.

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I agree with one slight disagreement. In Aliens Ripley has to take charge of the vehicle because the marine is frozen by fear. She also has to tell Hudson to calm down. I think in today's trigger happy world those elements would be harped on to no end. They would say that guy is a marine he wouldn't freeze in fear! See woke Hollywood! Vulnerability like you said is what drives up horror. It's why kids are a good tension mechanism in films. Teenagers in horror films as well. It's scarier the more vulnerable and unprepared the victims are.

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The guy was an inexperienced officer, probably picked by the corporate guy BECAUSE of his inexperience.

It is and was completely believable that in his first real action, especially as if blows up in his face, that he would freeze up.

Ripley struggled, was not "kick ass", was willing to accept teaching from a male figure, and was motivated by a desire to protect a chid, ect.

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It wasn't just that guy she remained more level headed than Hudson did. He's a marine she is not. That's why I mentioned Hudson also Einstein.

Struggling doesn't make something not woke. And yes she was kickass otherwise she wouldn't be an iconic action heroin.

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1. Hudson was a shaky, short timer, who came though wonderfully in the end. I know plenty of conservative guys that love that movie and NONE of them have ever made the complaints that you think that they would.

2. It actually does. That is one of the elements of woke that hte female mary sue doesn't really have struggles.

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Doesn't matter who you know that's conservative that enjoys the film. Plenty of you idiots would complain about those elements today.

Nope that's also a lie. If you for instance watch Girl with the dragon tattoo. The lead female character is a bisexual character who doesn't like men much. She goes through many struggles such as assault, abandonment etc. So no you are incorrect. Mary Sues can exist for a man also, Gary Stu.That's a bad writing trope, it's not just limited to woke females.

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1. You made the claim that those that complain about woke shit would not accept female leads, ect. I pointed out historical examples that disprove that. THus, your claim is debunked. That is how... debate works. Reality trumps your assertion. I win. Adjust your world view accordingly. You should also apologize to all the men you insulted with your... miandry.

2. Yes, "gary sue" exists as a bad writing trope also. No one would claim that bad writing is limited to wokeism. But wokism seems to encourage or...perhaps need, lots of bad writing elements.

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Nope I did not! I said they would complain about those elements of the film. You just lied about what I said. You did that because you know I'm right. Mad Max Fury Road is a well received film but there are elements of the film conservative nut jobs complain about. Your false claim about what I said is dismissed. I won. Next time when debating a point don't lie about what I said. You lost this point badly. Facts don't care about your feelings scumbag. Nowhere did I say they wouldn't accept action female heroins. I said they would call out elements of Aliens as woke and they would. I am laughing at how bad you managed this point.

Lol yet you just did idiot! You said struggling makes something not woke. I disproved that notion. That's how debate works. I win. Reality Trump's your assertion. Lol this was a knockout punch from me. You want more?

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You're talking in circles, not really saying anything now, so, whatever.

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Lol you realize you made up stuff I never said. Not once did I say conservatives wouldn't accept a female heroin. I said they would call out those aspects of Aliens as woke.

You said struggling makes a character not woke. You got caught with your hand in the cookie jar. Take that loss like a man and own up to it. Facts don't care about your feelings.

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You're... shit talking in circles.

The issue of wokeness is real. Our complaints are valid. Your refusal to be honest about this, is you being an ass.

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No I pointed out your contradiction numb skull.

You lied about what wokeness. You said if someone struggles it's not woke. I showcased that to be bullshit.

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Blah, blah, blah.

Wokeness is a real issue, and our complaints are valid.

You are nitpicking to try to gin up...something.

In defense of assholes who are pushing radical political propaganda.


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Yeah your contradiction is noted. Don't speak out on it when you tried to make it mean whatever you want it to. You apply woke to anything you dislike. You do it so much you can't even define what it means.

I nitpicked nothing. I took your words and pointed out how don't know what it means. Someone struggling can still be woke. You are now attempting to backpedal on what you said. Your bullshit is no good here. Let's give you a chance to walk it back. So a woke character is impossible to go through struggles? Mary Sue or Gary Stu is limited to woke characters?

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Dude. Your denial of wokeness is absurd.

Your shit talk is dismissed.

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I didn't deny things being woke. I rejected your bullshit claim of what woke is. You claimed if a character struggles it means they aren't woke. That was a lie and you got caught.

No shit talk here. I'm spitting facts you can't come against. It's ok though you know I'm right. That's why you are getting upset.

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I like how you have no retort. You truly are a scumbag.

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The term woke came from the black community. It was a way to say that you look deeper in to things and see what is really going on. You’re woke in the sense that once you see it, you can’t unsee it.

However a lot of the time it was just people reading into, and seeing that weren’t there, you can see race in anything if you look hard enough.

This behavior has always existed, there just wasn’t a term for it.

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Louis Farrakhan And the Nation of Islam have promoted “wokeness” for decades, if I’m remembering the term correctly.

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Ah yes, Nation of Islam, notoriously LGBT friendly.

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Certainly used with a different meaning.

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Alt right types made it up a few years ago


False. It was coined by leftists who apparently can't spell "awake".

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Around August 25th, 2015 at 2:13pm.

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I was going to say 2015 too, but didnt have a date in mind.

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