Get your ass vaccinated NOW. - General Discussion Discussion

[–] huwdj (4567) 3 years ago

Actually, just to avoid confusion, the injections are in the arm 😀

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[–] kukuxu (5409) 3 years ago

It depends. Armholes get it in the arm. In the ass, well... 😁

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[–] TimMC (9143) 3 years ago

Thank You!

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[–] snepts (11123) 3 years ago

I agree completely.

What's going on in Japan and the Olympics is nuts, in the sense that the damn population should be smart enough to have a reasonable vax rate, but they don't and a lot of people want the Olys to go on w/o spectators. I don't mind if there aren't crowds, but a lot of people are losing a lot of money and others are unable to to enjoy the opportunity for an economic boost, all because of being resistant to fighting the virus. It's just wrong.

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[–] BullSchmidt (3189) 3 years ago

I heard a news report that they'll lose the equivalent of hundreds of millions of dollars in lost ticket sale revenue. Ouch!

I haven't kept up with the Japanese situation in detail, but I can make one observation. I've been to Tokyo, I vacationed there thirty years ago. It's a very crowded place. For example, during peak subway hours they have "platform pushers" to shove as many people as possible into the subway cars. There was no need for social distancing when I visited, but I don't have to ask anyone, I know -- much of the time, it's simply impossible there.

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[–] huwdj (4567) 3 years ago

I think Japanese individuals would be happy to be vaccinated but for a variety of reasons they don't have access to the vaccine.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01220-4/fulltext

But this reason is actually amusing:

Because the number of patients with COVID-19 has been smaller in Japan than in other countries, Japan has been unable to register into international clinical trials to prove vaccine efficacy. As such, as of April, 2021, other vaccine products were still under review or investigation in ongoing clinical trials, and changes in regulations for vaccine approvals are being considered after criticism.

So basically, they are too healthy to be able to prove the vaccine works.

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[–] Otter (24464) 3 years ago

If they can't get mass vaccinations there, then I hope every last person in the country stays home from the damn Olympics.

I heard they banned international travelers from coming to the games so hopefully they won't have a big influx of Delta Variant to their island, but without vaccination there's nothing for it but to keep masking, handwashing and social distancing. If the Japanese government wants them to flock to the games so they won't lose face in front of the world, then fuck the government! It does seem like the populace has more sense than the elected officials there.

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[–] BullSchmidt (3189) 3 years ago

> If they can't get mass vaccinations there, then I hope every last person in the country stays home from the damn Olympics.

They've already made the decision on that. No spectators.

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[–] TriumphReq (1857) 3 years ago

Not sure why they can't postpone it another year.

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[–] Freeion (111) 3 years ago

You know, the problem with these stats is that they're not part of a designed experiment. Naturally anyone who is hospitalized over COVID-19 will test positive for it, but if the majority of people who get the wimpy virus don't get tested once they get the sniffles, it makes it appear that more people are being hospitalized because people are only being tested if they have a severe case.

I should also note that vaccination rates need to be up in the 99% rate for it to provide herd immunity benefits. Remember, not everyone who gets the vaccine will develop the immunity and since this virus starts itself off as a common cold most people won't quarantine until they get to a severe case.

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[–] Otter (24464) 3 years ago

I sincerely hope you're right, and the rate of testing to hospitalization is so terrifyingly high because people are foolishly resistant to testing.

But the Delta Variant virus is running wild over the whole world (thank you India), and it's very contagious and very deadly. The world's medical system can't cope with what's coming, the USA's medical system can't cope with every anti-vaxx fool needing to be hospitalized, and the one thing nobody wants is to find that they're sick *after* all the hospitals in their area are overflowing. Prevent that, protect yourselves, get vaccinated.

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[–] Freeion (111) 3 years ago

Emphasis again, just because you have been vaccinated doesn't mean you are protected.

This has been part of the argument for mandatory vaccinations for years before COVID. Anti-vaxxers love arguing "get your vaccines if you're so worried" but the problem is that they are the ones spreading it. We have long been concerned about losing herd immunity to diseases that have long been thought dead like polio because of how many people refuse to get their vaccines. Remember, a vaccine works with the immune system to defeat a virus, if you are immunocompromosed or elderly your immune system might not be strong enough to fight it off. We need everyone vaccinated or risk having long gone diseases resurface.

Remember though, testing requires going out of your way to get tested over vague symptoms that apply to most all illnesses. It's not foolish to resist getting tested unless you actually are sick, and some parts of the nation look worse because they stopped letting anyone get tested without a doctor's approval. This is why you need a designed experiment, so that all these variables are taken into account and you can analyze the true cause.

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[–] Otter (24464) 3 years ago

The current vaccines look like they're providing pretty good protection, both against infection and severe illness, just not good enough that it's a good idea to forget all about hand hygiene, social distancing, and face coverings. At least, it's protection until the fucking virus mutates again, and viruses are constantly mutating.

There's some concern that the vaccinated are spreading the virus to the unvaccinated, now that everyone's forgotten about common-sense precautions like hand hygiene, but really... it's so hard to feel any sympathy for the unvaccinated at this point.

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[–] Freeion (111) 3 years ago

I'm not certain why you're going off on this direction. I am only pointing out that pre-covid, there was much a harsher stance against the anti-vaxxer movement than we currently are using now. Antivaxxers put the vaccinated in danger. Before covid this was universally accepted, now we seem to think vaccines have a 100% efficacy rate and no one who is vaccinated can get sick.

If you're capable of transporting the disease, you're capable of catching it. The worry shouldn't be about spreading to the unvaccinated, but the very real chance that we are spreading to the vaccinated as this vaccine has been politically hyped up as being the thing that will bring us back to normal when it actually isn't. Just because you've been vaccinated doesn't make you any less responsible than the anti-vaxxers.

We're already losing our herd immunity to measles and polio, adopting these soft stances against the anti-vaxxers where they only put themselves at risk isn't helping. The anti-vaxxers put everyone at risk and there is no legitimate reason why they should be allowed to endanger the nation for their own personal beliefs.

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[–] Otter (24464) 3 years ago

"Antivaxxers put the vaccinated in danger."

Which is why the theory that the vaccinated might be putting the unvaccinated in danger made me laugh like the evil bitch I am!

But seriously, everybody get vaccinated, 94% protection is infinitely better than nothing, especially if it also protects you from getting sick unto death! And keep up the social distancing, face masks, and hand hygiene. The virus is spreading wildly and mutating in the bodies of the unvaccinated, you don't want to be on the receiving end of what's coming.

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[–] BullSchmidt (3189) 3 years ago

> it's so hard to feel any sympathy for the unvaccinated at this point.

Well, a little sympathy is possible ...

> The current vaccines look like they're providing pretty good protection, both against infection and severe illness, just not good enough that it's a good idea to forget all about hand hygiene, social distancing, and face coverings. [emphasis mine]

Right. Getting vaccinated is the single most effective thing you can do to protect yourself, but it's not perfect protection and there are other things you can do. You understand that, and I understand that. But many people don't.

They hear statements from the CDC -- which has done a terrible job communicating this -- that "The vaccine works! Get vaccinated now! But you still need to wear a mask afterward!" And they wonder, if the vaccine is so bloody effective, why do I need to wear a mask once I'm fully vaccinated? I can't catch COVID so I don't need one to protect myself, and since I can't catch it, I can't give it to someone else, so I don't need one to protect others. It doesn't make sense. Maybe the government is lying to us? Wouldn't be the first time. Maybe the vaccine isn't worth shit. Maybe there's no vaccine at all, they're just shooting saline solution into our arms.

Uncle Sam spent months sending out that mixed signal. So I can feel some sympathy for the unvaccinated. Not much, but some. If your sympathy level is at zero percent, mine is around five percent.

The ones I don't feel any sympathy for are those who never took any precautions. There's a man in this town, in his sixties. He just refused to wear a mask or social distance, and I doubt he washed his hands more frequently than pre-COVID. His ninety year old father passed away, and on the morning of the funeral he felt a little ill. He ascribed it to grief and shrugged it off. So there he was, accepting condolences and hugs, many from people over eighty. There he was, breathing all over them. Turned out the ill feeling wasn't from grief, it was COVID. He infected four senior citizens there. Luckily, nobody died. I've got no sympathy for that idiot.

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[–] joej2923 (3052) 3 years ago

You guinea pigs better shut up about the unapproved vaccine. I'll wait until they come up with a viable solution and I'll watch you gullible guinea pigs suffer. The efficacy rates of the vaccine against the delta variant have dropped to 64% in Israel. The article below shows that two fully vaccinated people have died of covid. The spike protein that is generated by the vaccine is harmful to the human body and you guinea pigs will figure that out in time. The government wants everybody vaccinated so there isn't a large enough group that remains unvaccinated and healthy. Meanwhile, infected/unvaccinated people are streaming across the border and the government doesn't give a rip.

https://fortune.com/2021/07/05/israel-data-plunge-efficacy-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-delta-variant/

https://tucson.com/news/local/2-vaccinated-people-in-pima-county-have-died-of-covid-19/article_c368a556-dec0-11eb-bf4b-571c183c2ccb.html

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[–] Otter (24464) 3 years ago

Four million people have officially died of COVID, with so many countries refusing to file honest figures that the real figure is probably closer to forty million. Nobody officially dead from the vaccine.

Worldwide massive pandemic wave ramping up, and nobody knows which local healthcare system will be overwhelmed next, but it's a good bet it'll be in places where this anti-vaxxing foolery is rife. Come on, people, you don't have to tell your raving anti-vaxx friends and relatives you got the shot! Just get it, don't make waves if you don't want to, but be safe.

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[–] joej2923 (3052) 3 years ago

I don't usually trust figures/metrics that are put out by organizations since too many people will cook the books to make their numbers look better.

I contend that people should consider getting the vaccine if they are obese/old, are in high-risk environments or have underlying conditions. I believe the better solution is to have high-quality masks for everyone to wear. The article below highlights a thirteen-year-old boy who died after his second pfizer vaccine shot. I still think a lot of the unvaccinated people who are dying are the covid deniers who fearlessly walk into crowds unmasked.

https://www.wfla.com/community/health/coronavirus/13-year-old-dies-in-sleep-after-getting-covid-19-vaccine-cdc-investigating/

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[–] Otter (24464) 3 years ago

"I don't usually trust figures/metrics that are put out by organizations"

Which is why I usually add "real figures unknown" when discussing rates of death or hospitalizations. We'll never know how many died in India or are still dying, and that's not the only government that's hushing up a public health disaster.

And don't think I'm not pushing masks, social distancing, and hand hygiene, since I've done so several times on this thread, but seriously - at this point I think that mass vaccination is humanity's best hope. Very few people are willing to do the mask-handwashing-distancing thing right, they either forget that it's the hand hygiene that's actually the most important part of the equation, or they get lax about it. The thing about relying on mask-handwashing-distancing is that for it to work everybody has to do it right, and everybody has to do it right all the time.... and that's just not how it's gone in the real world. With masks-handwashing-distancing people get careless or think that some things are okay when they're not, vaccines actually do a much better job of covering for standard human stupidity and carelessness.

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[–] snepts (11123) 3 years ago

Two people ! Two people have died - fully vaccinated ! - from Covid. By god, let the millions of guinea pigs have their fun while the anti-vaxxers wring their hands and squirm and wail and spread disease and imagine they are special and better.
Sure, there are Some In Every Crowd.

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[–] joej2923 (3052) 3 years ago

I shouldn't be forced to take a vaccine that is not 100% effective and causes short-term deleterious health effects and may cause long-term health problems. I think it's a big deal that two fully-vaccinated people died of covid-19. The article below notes that over 1k fully-vaccinated people in VA have contracted covid-19 and seventeen have died.

https://www.nbc12.com/2021/07/12/look-covid-19-cases-deaths-among-fully-vaccinated-virginians/

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[–] joi2049 (5562) 3 years ago

Usually those who catch it who are FULLY VACCINATED are also IMMUNOCOMPROMIZED in some way (due to having CHEMO for CANCER, or their having some other disease or condition that weakens their immune system).

As for you being FORCED to get VACCINATED, what about the RIGHTS of those who ARE VACCINATED who are having THEIR RIGHTS taken away BY YOU???

Because it's people like you who will lead us right back into needing another SHUTDOWN AGAIN, and going back to wearing MASKS again, etc

🙄

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[–] joej2923 (3052) 3 years ago

Plenty of healthy vaccinated people are dying of covid or from the covid vaccines. There is no data to support your assertion about immunocompromised people and I don't trust any of the lies uttered by flip-flopper Fauci.

It's my body and my choice. The rights of the vaccinated are not being taken away. Another pandemic could arise in the future and these covid vaccines don't protect recipients from every airborne virus. We will all probably have to wear masks to walk about in the future. The article below shows that the efficacy rate of the Pfizer vaccine against the Delta variant is only 64%. People should not be forced to take a vaccine that is not effective. The flu shot is only fifty percent effective and I haven't take one in fifteen years.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-confirms-vaccine-less-effective-against-delta-variant-eyes-third-dose/

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[–] joi2049 (5562) 3 years ago

I use to feel the same way about getting a FLU shot until COVID shows up, and then I told my PCP she'd have no more refusals from me about getting one, and got injected with the FLU SHOT (so you don't need to worry about catching both the FLU and COVID at the same time).

The FLU SHOT was only about 14% effective back in 2004 or something like that, but today it's up into the 65% range (like Pfizer). But PFIZER is also still 95% EFFECTIVE at keeping you from being HOSPITALIZED or DYING if you do catch COVID. Because IF you do, it's also a much more MILD infection than you'd have without being VACCINATED.

And Due to the other kind of MISINFORMATION that you've posted here, all one can say is GOOD LUCK to you if you do end up catching the MUCH MORE CONTAGIOUS and DEADLY DELTA MUTATED STRAIN of the COVID VIRUS.

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[–] BullSchmidt (3189) 3 years ago

I can't believe how silly some people are being about this. I got my first shot in mid-March, and an appointment for the second shot exactly four weeks later. There was a big crowd at the county health department, and I assume they all got appointments for exactly four weeks later as well. So, I expected to see the same crowd with the same people when I got shot #2. Well, I saw some of the same people but there were far fewer of them. Why? There had been a few deaths from a side effect of the vaccine, and people were canceling their appointments. Yeah, millions of COVID deaths versus a few vaccine deaths -- smart choice, folks. And furthermore, it wasn't even the same vaccine! Our health department uses the Moderna vaccine, and IIRC the deaths were from the J&J vaccine.

I remember, when I was growing up, there were some older folks who wouldn't wear seat belts in cars. They were afraid that if they got in a wreck and the car caught fire, the belt might jam and they'd be trapped and burn to death. Same "logic" here.

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[–] Kowalski (76349) 3 years ago

I remember, when I was growing up, there were some older folks who wouldn't wear seat belts in cars. They were afraid that if they got in a wreck and the car caught fire, the belt might jam and they'd be trapped and burn to death. Same "logic" here.

THAT DOES ACTUALLY HAPPEN.🤔

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[–] joi2049 (5562) 3 years ago

One girl was STUCK inside of a vehicle because during the wreck the SEAT BELT had PENETRATED about 1 or 2 INCHES into her AB area.

And she would also have SURVIVED IF the boyfriend who wrecked the car hadn't RUN AWAY and had stayed there to released the seat belt that had her PINNED inside.

So she also DIED because of the SEAT BELT she used that was suppose to SAVE her LIFE but ended up KILLING her instead.

Here's another link where the same thing happened to another girl:

https://people.com/human-interest/gina-arnold-seat-belt-stomach-slice-michigan/

Gina Arnold was driving home from work in the rain when she lost control of her car and flipped over seven times in October 2017. Although the seat belt saved her life, the device sliced through Arnold’s abdomen, leaving her with injuries doctors in Michigan had never seen before.

“I was grateful that it saved my life, but it was hard to wrap my head around all the injuries the seat belt caused,” Arnold, 22, tells PEOPLE. “I just call it a freak accident. I can’t believe the seat belt did that to me.”

Arnold, of Macomb, Michigan, was in a coma for three days after the accident and suffered several broken bones and huge lacerations, she says. She had to learn to walk again, and the seat belt injury left her with no abdominal wall to protect her major organs. She was in recovery for more than a year and has undergone 21 surgeries.

And here's still another story:

Maryland firefighter saves woman strangling in her ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/...

>>Aug 30, 2017 · A Prince George’s firefighter saved a 22-year-old from being strangled by her seat belt after she crashed her car in the woods.

But we still also don't REFUSE to wear a SEAT BELT because of 2 or 3 FREAKISH SEAT BELT INJURIES !!!

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[–] snepts (11123) 3 years ago

What the hell are you trying to illustrate here other than your obtuse insistence that random isolated events prove that nothing is perfect and the best of measures don't always prevent tragedy?

Mom said Don't Run Out Into The Street, then a stoned Bicyclist ran into You on the Sidewalk and you got Kill't.

Ergo -- Run Into The Street !

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[–] joi2049 (5562) 3 years ago

The POINT was to try and ILLUSTRATE how those ANTI VAXERS who keep pointing out how others have gotten sick or died from getting VACCINATED (which is also a small fraction of less than 1%) isn't a LEGIT reason for the ANTI VAXERS to keep refusing to be VACCINATED.

Since I'm PRO VACCINE, not ANTI VACCINE, the effort was to try and demonstrate how silly it is to base your decision not to be VACCINATED on such a SMALL NUMBER of people who have had complications.

OK???

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[–] mikethemartian (6788) 3 years ago

You need to be like Christina Ricci’s Wednesday in The Addams Family movie.

“May I have the salt?”

“What do we say?”

“NOW!”

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[–] snepts (11123) 3 years ago

Funny

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[–] TexasJack (12516) 3 years ago

For young, healthy people, I think the balance of risks weighs against getting the vaccine. I definitely don't think healthy children should be vaccinated at this point.

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[–] Otter (24464) 3 years ago

You were probably right about that for a long time, but the CDC is now urging healthy young adults to get vaccinated as the Delta Variant can both make them sick, and use them to infect others. Sorry, but the Delta Variant is changing the whole game, including for young people in their thirties, twenties, and even teens.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/teens-young-adults-should-get-covid-vaccines-despite-rare-heart-n1272109

No idea about small children. As far as i'm concerned, children are entirely somebody else's problem.

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[–] snepts (11123) 3 years ago

But maybe they should be vaccinated at THAT point. It hurts a little less.

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[–] joi2049 (5562) 3 years ago

HEALTHY YOUNG PEOPLE are the ONE'S FILLING up the HOSPITALS now and DYING from COVID.

This time last year it was the OLDER FOLKS, but since MOST of them had GOOD SENSE ENOUGH to get VACCINATED, now it's MOSTLY the YOUNGER FOLKS who get SICK and DIE from COVID.

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[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

i have had both shots.

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[–] snepts (11123) 3 years ago

Yeah, well getting Shots to the Head may have clouded your Thinking, haha.

I got the One Shot Johnson & Johnson JANSSEN vaccine on 6/22. Now I feel like The Fugitive !

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[–] joi2049 (5562) 3 years ago

What CLOUDS thinking is those LONG HAULERS who GET COVID and then have their BRAIN CELLS EATEN by it.

In other words, SCANS of their BRAINS also show us how their BRAINS have been DAMAGED by COVID, the same way as the BRAINS of ALZHEIMERS PATIENTS show the same situation (lots of BRAIN DAMAGE from having had that DISEASE).

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[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

we got out on the weekend. felt good to have some freedom again.

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[–] snepts (11123) 3 years ago

Yeah, I finally went to a bar to meet a friend, and the bartender would have had a great body even with a mask on but with masks we wouldn't have been there at all, so checking out Stacy for a couple hours was absolutely fantastic and I guess talking with my old buddy was okay too.

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