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I hate the term "new normal" with a passion.


Everytime someone says that, I want to slap them.

There's nothing "normal" about living in a pandemic, having to social distance from everyone, no hugs and kisses, not seeing our friends or family, having everything closed, online learning etc. Normal human beings interact with one another, we psychically visit places, we attend concerts and events with strangers we don't even know, we travel, we enjoy life.

The correct term should be "temporary normal".

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No kisses ? That really sucks !

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I never liked the old normal. So for me the new normal is bliss.

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Artisan

Well not all of us are like you. The only folks who enjoy a life of lockdowns, social distancing, and not going anywhere are Lonely and depressed people prior to covid.

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I'm not lonely in fact I'm happier away from people.

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Then that's your choice. Don't expect everyone else to live that same lifestyle cause many won't.

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What pisses me off is people who cry about not being able to go to the shops or the movies, go on holidays etc. CoVid is rather lethal and does a lot of damage to the human body. I find it rather weak to cry about having your lifestyle interrupted given how many have died.

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Artisan

I never once said we shouldn't sacrifice our daily lives and take proper precautions for everyone's safety at the moment!

Of course it's important right now! I agree 100%.

What I can't stand is people acting like these routines Should continue forever and that everyone "adapting" to social distancing and being isolated.

That's why I prefer the term, "temporarily normal". These lockdown lifestyle should only last as long as it needs to. Once covid is under control, life should get back to the way things were.

If you sprained your ankle, would you want to be on crutches and wear a cast forever? NO!! You do it for as long as you need to until your ankle heals. Then you get back to your regular routines.

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And selfish.. Who gives a shit about salons. Bars serve no purpose, except car accidents and STDs. Restaurants can be replaced by a thing called cooking.

"I don't mind dying, I just hope my hair looks good in a coffin"

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It is frightening in a way, our economy relies on services and goods that people don't really need. Reminds me of the line from Fight Club.

"We work jobs we don't like so we can buy things we don't need" or words to that effect.

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Humans are social animals. They need to socialize which is why there are bars and restaurants. You'd think people would be able to give it up for a few weeks to get rid of covid.

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Are we social animals or is that just a cliche? I've gone a year mostly by myself. I like it and I've read MANY say the same. If COVID disappeared tomorrow, I wouldn't be more social.

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Not a cliche. Many people become lonely and depressed without it. We're wired to live in groups and have plenty of human contact. There are plenty of studies about it.

Are those people living alone or with family? Big difference.

Overall, we're social animals, but individually each of us needs different degrees of interaction. Like you, I need very little, also. But, I know plenty of people who are the opposite and need to be around many people.

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That's what I mean.. Some need it, some are averse to it.

I've had two polar opposite kinds of living. During my backpacking days (which ended a handful of years ago), I would live with many.. 12 people sleeping in a room, same bathroom/showers, same kitchen, one "living room" with one TV, books, couches, etc.. Completely communal. You had to be cooperative, fairly social (although there were some who never said a word?), etc...

Since I came back from Australia, I've lived alone for over 5 years. I couldn't have it any other way. I avoid expenses because I never want to be in a situation where I'd have to move out, or have a roommate (this house doesn't have the room, anyway). I've gone almost 3 weeks without leaving my house, and I love it. This year, I've only gone shopping for food. I've visited family a handful of times (usually not fun, but I have two nieces, and I'm enduring bullshit so they never have to say "Did Uncle BillHicksFan not like us while he was alive?").

Would you consider what we're doing social?... There is a friend I talk on the phone about 3-4 times a week, but he's very odd - he's the type to disappear. He hardly picks up the phone when I call, but unless I'm doing something, I'll pick it up, or call at a better time.

I prefer the world of the internet, as much as I critique technology (and how it effects art), I think I can not only achieve more, but do it in less time. For example, talking about movies. In real life, most people I run into don't even watch movies. If they do, it's something in the background, nothing too serious. With message boards, there are a handful (not many, but still) of people who know the non-commercial movies I like, as I can't stand 99% of the "art" made in my lifetime. And, there are many more message boards, with emphasis and personalities of their own. I can ask the same questions I do here on other sites, which is great, because I love to compare the "message board personality", but I also

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#2 (continued... this character limit is bullshit - admin/mods, are you reading this? I can't even paste cool articles, interviews, or reply!)

.... but I also get 10x the amount of recommendations (if that's what I'm looking for), or 10x the amount of answers to rhetorical and specific questions that are important to me. And with almost every board, there are other topics, and usually those with great taste in movies have great taste otherwise. If I find someone who is very simpatico with me, I'll tend to look at the movies on his/her list that I don't know because I'm confident I'd like it.

What else is there? Sex? Pornography isn't a billion dollar industry by accident. It gets the biological response we need (orgasm), and the imagination going with graphics, including the ability to pick exactly the kind of woman, body type, fantasy, etc, without all the bullshit that goes along with it. No worries about disease, pregnancy, etc etc.. And after your 5 minute video, you can go back to living your life, instead of the customary things we might not like to do, but do out of courtesy, and (usually) to have that person in your partner list for possible future encounters. I've changed (in the last two years or so) with this, and don't have to waste time "looking" (usually a waste of time). If you ask people how they meet today, it's probably not "socially" (face to face). From the beginning I'm sure it was about those you lived around, then school, then work, and to the modern age when it added "the bar". Now, it seems most people meet online. I've only done this twice, and would advise against it.

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Yes, I consider moviechat to be social contact. Your visits to family, phone calls and social media use counts as human contact, too. Even a stroll or errand to a store can be social especially if you talk to someone.

All humans need human contact. We're designed to need care for the first couple of years of life which includes plenty of socialization. Humans deteriorate physically and mentally without it. Long solitary confinement in prisons is considered torture.

But, people like us can thrive with fewer people around us and for longer periods of time. That’s different from no human contact needed. If we were literally isolated for ten years on a deserted island with no human contact, then we’d probably end up talking to a basketball like Tom Hanks did in “Castaway”.

When my area shutdown, everyone stayed home for months. My supervisor was going nuts and was ready to return to the job. He's very outgoing and a people person. He couldn’t believe I enjoyed the quiet at home. I was satisfied with the internet, strolls and a few phone calls from friends. I also live with a relative. Some people working from home are going nuts while others thrive. I know someone who lives alone who decided to work in the office to be with people.

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That's true, but we mostly depend on murder (war) and sick people (big pharma) and the legal system (prisons for slave labor, putting out fires, etc)

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Humans mainly cooperate which is how we build cities, institutions, invent and live our lives by going to school, work, church, sports, theater, etc.

We do have prisons for those who don't socialize properly.

War is a part of socilization because a leader needs cooperation from the public and an army. They're working together for a goal.

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Agreed. People who choose to be alone don't experience loneliness, or maybe do so very rarely.

"Being alone has a power that very few people can handle." - Buddah

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Some of us feel more alone around people.

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My very perceptive foster mother presented me with a copy of Thomas Merton's, 'The True Solitude' on my 20th birthday.

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I'll look that one never heard of it till now.

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Matildawormwood
I find it insensitive of someone to say that ‘The only folks who enjoy a life of lockdowns, social distancing, and not going anywhere are Lonely and depressed people’......
Because such a sweeping, generalised statement is very untrue and quite hurtful to be honest.
Have you ever been affected by poor mental health in your life; I doubt you’d say that if you had?

Not being allowed to continue with even a broken life and being prevented from going out sends people’s mental health spiralling out of control. People have been ending their lives or dying due to poor self care, or abuse, self harm and neglect during lockdown; these people have been vulnerable, with mental health issues of which loneliness and depression are just two in a vast melting pot.

Lockdown is meaning that those suffering from loneliness and depression have not been receiving home help, supportive visits from relatives and friends, appointments with doctors, scheduled sessions with psychiatrists etc. They’ve been scared to go out and don’t have the resilience to cope.
They’ve had what little hope, care and structure taken from them.
Who would want that?!

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What I don't understand is people not understanding how serious CoVid is. Oh so you can't travel, so you can't go out for dinner, boo hoo. How many have died? How many people have lost their jobs, businesses?

This isn't going away anytime soon, get used to it and grow a pair.

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Just b/c it's serious doesn't mean it can't end. Did you forget Artisan that other countries are currently on the verge of beating covid? New Zealand and the Bahamas are down to nearly zero cases with only about 1-3 popping up here and there.

The US would've been in that same boat had more idiots taken it seriously by staying home and wearing the damn masks in March/April. Poor leadership from the "president" didn't help! Reopening too quickly also led to some being careless by letting their guard down.

What people do need, is to "grow a pair" and quit whining about their "rights" taken away and just obey safety precautions to WORK our way back to normality.

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Yes we have an idiot Premier here in my state who has totally stuff things up. He is very Socialist.

It worries me the way people are carrying on. Yes, people like to go on holiday, they like to go out, I get that. But right now there is a serious issue. I keep seeing and hearing about people who complain about the inconveniences. If everyone just did the right thing for even a couple of months it could be cleared up. But that is too hard for some.

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Exactly! People have every right to be sad and miss their old lives. But the only way end this chaos it is to sacrifice for your community and encourage others to do the same! Ive personally been spending 80% of my time at home since March with few outings to a nearby park, grocery shopping and dog walks to get fresh air (all while wearing a masks and carrying hand sanitizer).

The idea isn't to label this as a "new normal", but to work together to get our "normal lifestyle" back.

Just like studying your butt off and doing homework to earn good grades and pass classes!

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Ban cars. The death toll is enormous.

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There is a difference. CoVid is a disease which can be eradicated if dealt with quickly and effectively. Also in both cases Covid and cars if people are responsible deaths can decline.

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Notice how business goes on fine at supermarkets? Employees at grocery stores aren't dropping dead. They're following the safety protocols. Wear the mask and keep your distance. If you are close to high risk people, lock yourself down. Don't drag us into a depression making it a blanket rule for all. The numbers are there and need to be taken seriously but you aren't curing the disease with lockdown. We had lots of folks getting Covid even though locked down & masked up etc. The blame game is convenient but doesn't match up with the history of epidemiology.

Politicizing it is also ridiculous.

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Sweden tried going easy on it and it has not worked out well.

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And regardless of what people say, I refuse to live the rest of my life this way. Unintentional rhyme.

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its a handy term to encapsulate

that things now get suckier and more authoritarian permanently in this or that particular

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I absolutely agree with you. very deep thoughts that respond within me. What is normality and what is abnormality? To what extent are these conventional categories in modern society? I recently wrote about this little research of mine at the university, during which I used a plagiarism detector https://edubirdie.com/plagio-detector so that my text was written with the highest quality possible. I drew attention to the works of philosophers of the 20th century, who revealed the question of conventionality not only of the concept of normality, but also of the concept of morality in modern society.

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I like it ! For example:

Mediocrity and incompetence are the new normal.


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Well you know what some would say, especially women "just go with the flow". That's seems to be a popular expression with women. That's an expression I've come too hate, as it's more less saying imo, don't try to hard if a minimal efforts not enough, just give up and move on or accept sub parness. That must be Aerosmith's motto that strangely so seems to have worked for them. Mind you, I don't even think they've ever managed a minimal effort, they're just a bunch of idiots who get paid for being idiots.

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Immensely rich idiots.

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