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Does Anyone Else Find Immigration Debates Ridiculous?


My view is that the world population has almost doubled since the '80s and not in a uniform manner consistent with where the economic wealth lies.

At the same time, in many of these countries where that wealth does lie, you have opposing political ideologies arguing over controlling the numbers they "allow" in, as if it will make a blind bit of difference.

If you look at the world as a system overall, It's like an osmosis effect. You cannot stop the balancing taking place just by saying "Oh, we don't want any more people here, we need to control our borders". It's going to happen anyway. That's why you see boat loads with dozens / hundreds of people, cramped up in vessels, drowning when they capsize. Take out the individual human angle and just look at it sheer volume. That one fails but others make it through. And they aren't going to stop coming.

So sure, through policy you can attempt to manipulate the effect. But in reality, it's only going to have a miniscule effect. You may as well shake your fist and start howling at the moon. Or go down to the beach and think you can stop the tide coming in by raising your palm to it...

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No one is saying you can't come into the U.S to make a better life, just do it legally and until you do, you're not allowed to vote in our elections, plain and simple

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No one is saying you can't come into the U.S to make a better life

Actually this is, in effect, what some posters on this site have suggested, that immigrants (usually of the non-white variety) are not wanted or even should go home. This sometimes is accompanied by such conspiratorial tosh such as Great Replacement Theory to justify matters.

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conspiratorial tosh such as Great Replacement Theory


The fact that its actually happening, and that you had to use a qualifier, tell us everything.

Shitlibs: "There's no Great Replacement!"

Also Shitlibs: "HAHA White people are being replaced!!"

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that you had to use a qualifier, tell us everything.


Not everyone sees everything in absolutes.

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Just another example of your sheer stupidity. The democrats literally opened the border because they think those people will vote for them. It's treasonous and should be treated as such.

ALL illegals can fuck off.

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FF : Actually this is, in effect, what some posters on this site have suggested, that immigrants (usually of the non-white variety) are not wanted or even should go home.

"All illegals should fuck off"


Thank you. QED

Just another example of your sheer stupidity.


On the contrary, things are rarely black and white.

your sheer stupidity.


Oh dear.

The democrats literally opened the border because they think those people will vote for them. It's treasonous and should be treated as such.


Thank you for your opinion.


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Thank YOU for confirming your sheer stupidity.

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Ad hominem noted.

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Lack of intellect noted.

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Trolling noted.

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I wasn't really talking about the US specifically.

And point was, regardless of whether you believe in qualifiers like this or whether you're completely left leaning and think "Let everyone in!" it ultimately makes no difference. People will balance out over the entire system regardless.

I think probably the only real way of affecting this to "keep people out" is to change the system so they don't want to get in in the first place.

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Got any ideas on how to " change the system so they don't want to get in" ?

off the top of my head the two main things would be "stop all wars" and "Stop the west exploiting the resources and labor of the developing nations"

both pretty tall orders.

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...the two main things would be "stop all wars" and "Stop the west exploiting the resources and labor of the developing nations"

I think these could both possibly be looked at as the same thing but yeah, the second point has caused such an imbalance.

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The United States government, for far too long, has supported the most repressive foreign governments that repress their own people, which is why we have such a big problem with illegal immigration in the first place is due to the US government's constant toppling, or attempts to topple foreign governments that don't tally up with United States' interests. It's time we stopped meddling in other countries' affairs and cleaned up our own back yard.

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The United States government has to stop meddling in, toppling, and/or attempting to topple foreign countries whose governments don't comply with United States' interests, and start cleaning uo our own back yard. We'll be much better off, as will the rest of the world.

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1) Plenty of posters on this site are saying that
2) The illegals are not voting in elections

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"No one is saying you can't come into the U.S to make a better life"

I am.

Go f*** yourself.

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Why?? What's so wrong with wanting to come into the U.S to make a better life, PROVIDED you do it legally and register in the U.S and until then, you're not allowed to vote in our elections??

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I don't need to justify my vote to you.

You can pay the taxes to support unskilled third world dog shit, after you pay the back taxes for first world unskilled dog shit in places like Kentuckistan.

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On first view there's the absurdity that the ones who want immigration more than others are at the same time the ones who run the most propaganda against immigration.
Logically and proven by historic facts it has always been the case that the rich employers want workers for wages as low as possible, where immigrants from other countries are always willing to work for lower wages and since the political right has been bought by the rich, the political right has more interest in immigration than the left has.
They only make this artificially made up distinction between legal and illegal immigration where they keep shifting the line of who shall be legal and who not.

The reason for this distinction they don't tell you is, they need a scapegoat for all the things that go wrong under right wing politics and "illegal" immigrants have always been the perfect scapegoats.

On second view the western world has a massive overproduction of anything and they don't know where to find customers to buy all that stuff.
That's why they give gigantic loans to poor countries and push their products with dumping prices into the markets of the poor countries.
I.e. the European production of chicken meat that exports all the parts of a chicken that the Europeans don't like to eat into Africa for so low prices that African chicken breeders can't even buy food for their chicken for such a low price has collapsed all chicken breeding in Africa and all the African workers who used to have jobs on chicken farms are now unemployed.
Same thing with onions from the Netherlands that have ruined most of the onion plantations in Africa.
Not a miracle that all the African workers who used to have jobs in industries the Europeans destroyed with dumping price exports are now migrating to Europe in search for the places where the jobs are that now produce the stuff for the African market.
In the end the same workers produce the same amount of stuff as before, only that they now all live and produce in Europe instead of half in Europe and half in Africa.

In summary not only can immigration not be stopped, the ones who claim they want to stop it in fact don't want to.

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Thanks. Interesting post with a couple of good examples in there, highlighting why that unstoppable flow of humans will just keep happening.

Like I was saying in the OP, we'll just keep seeing these cases were boatloads of people drown but it won't stop the osmosis effect at all overall if living in a certain spot means dying anyway. The redistribution will just keep happening regardless of policy.

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I can assure you it's not just african chicken farmers heading to Europe.

More bullshit excuses for handing over your country to the third world.

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You're putting up a strawman, I never said I would want immigration, just the opposite, I suggested if Europe wants to stop or at least reduce immigration, they first have to stop exporting their over production to Africa.
Of course there are other reasons for immigration, like opressive dictators in African countries, but that can be stopped from the European side the very same way, simply stop exporting weapons to Africa and a few weeks later those African dictators will run out of the means they need to opress their population.

Have you heard Trump, demanding that Europe has to increase their military budget big time?
What do you think would happen if Europe did that? Where would all the weapons go that Europe would be producing and what would that cause in terms of immigration?
So WHO is the one pushing for more immigration here? Me wanting less mititary in the world or Trump wanting more weapons in Africa?

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The nonsense you have just typed above is staggering. You strike me a a bonafide plonker. The bottom line of everything you typed was "It is the West's fault" . . . What a load of old toss.

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That's more reasons than the posting has words to make you the next member on my ignore list.

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The nonsense you have just typed above is staggering. You strike me a a bonafide plonker. The bottom line of everything you typed was "It is the West's fault" . . . What a load of old toss.

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Of course there are other reasons for immigration


There is only one reason for mass 3rd world migration, and that is because non-whites lack the IQ and work ethic to build prosperous societies for themselves.

Your tired list of excuses is why we're forced to accept our homelands being swamped by these hostile invaders, as if we owe them something. Everyone's just shit scared of telling them that they're too dumb and lazy, and ruin everything they touch.

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That's as racist as it gets, aside of being totally false.
IQ tests are designed to test what you learn in school and on that primarily adjusted for schools in the western world, they have not the slightest little bit to do with skin color, but exclusively with education by western school standards.
Neil deGrasse Tyson has an IQ estimated around 123, Morgan Freeman has an IQ estimated around 130 and I could keep this list going for longer than the max length of a posting in here can be.

Either way it's more than enough reason to add you to my ignore list, because I want nothing to do with such racism.

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