To all you conservatives...
...if Donald Trump came out as an atheist, would you lose all or any respect for him? And why.
shareUnlike liberals, we don't hold people's religious beliefs against them.
shareOnce again a clear cut case of the right denying their ugliest behaviors and saying "its a left thing"
You only think the left hate your jesus becasue the Left's tolerence of other religions counts as "persecution of christians"
whilst at the same time you call all muslims , "murderers and rapists"
Polling has shown widespread support for some UGLY postions among muslim communities in the west.
You do know that, right?
thats possibly true , but not relevant to the discussion of conservatives or democrats ideas on religious freedom.
It is relevavnt if the support is for murder and rape. Thus showing that the complaints from the right are fact based and not just bigotry as you tried to spin it.
The Trump supporters in this thread have made it clear that they would not care if Trump was an atheist.
That is the question of the op. Does that mean anything to you, and if not, why are you here?
It's truly amazing how stupid you people are.
shareAnyone who worships imaginary friends like God or Jesus is amazingly stupid. You let a book of fairy tales called the Bible written 2,000 years ago by goat herders rule your pathetic existence.
shareI always wonder why atheists try so hard to erode and denigrate the faith of others. What do you gain? You must be a very unhappy, bitter asshole with no life. You people really have no concept of the Constitution or why it was written.
Comical that your hatred of religious faith does not extend to any religion other than Christianity.
I'm an unhappy, bitter asshole with no life just because I don't share your beliefs? Okay, whatever. My life is amazing! You really are a closed minded person and dumb as fuck. Have a nice day anyway!
shareNope. I don't require anyone to share my beliefs. I believe in the Constitution and your right to believe whatever you want. You're an unhappy, bitter asshole with no life because you feel the need to erode and denigrate the faith of others. You know, exactly what the fuck I already said. Might as well repeat the rest of it again as well.
Comical that your hatred of religious faith does not extend to any religion other than Christianity. I never hear an atheist attacking Islam, Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism, Hinduism, etc.. Only Christians.
But you're not an atheist. Your religion is that of bastardized, politicized science and technology. All the hatred in the US comes from people like you. Not Christians. Not conservatives.
Anyone who ridicules and denigrates BILLIONS of people's beliefs the world over, simply because they have different beliefs is a bigot and an asshole of the highest order.
You might be right and you might be wrong, but the FACT is, you don't know.
Bollocks. Would you vote for a candidate who had a history of calling for churches to be shut down, and "Christian propaganda" removed from schools?
shareI'm all for rewording "Separation of Church and State" to "Separation of Ideology and State".
Get all of it out of the schools... the church stuff, the woke shit, all of it...leave the kids alone.
So no religious education of any kind in schooling at all?
sharetheres two types of religious education
1) heres an overview of all the religions
2) THIS is the only one and true religion , indoctrination starts now!
I know. It's just interesting that he was suggesting that both (1) and (2) should be removed.
shareThere is a big difference between a school being transparent about their religious curriculum, and a school pushing their own woke ideology in spite of what the parents think.
The reason no one ever complains about a Catholic school for example is because you know they are about, and you can either send, or not send your kids accordingly. The problem with woke ideology is that they don’t give anyone a choice.
Are you saying that state schools should have no reference to religion whatsoever then?
shareNo I’m saying it shouldn’t be part of the base curriculum where it’s taught as fact regardless of the parents want. I have no problem with voluntary classes or clubs, because people can choose them based on their own beliefs.
This is problem that people have with woke ideology. They want to critical race theory to take over regular history, and the trans agenda to take over regular science.
What does it mean to teach LGBT as a "fact"?
Schools telling people that LGBT people exist in some form =/= critical race theory
It’s crosses into that territory when they teach agenda based gender identity as scientific fact.
A teacher in Seattle recently failed students that answered only women can get pregnant on a test.
https://mynorthwest.com/3942486/rantz-seattle-student-failed-quiz-for-saying-men-cant-get-pregnant/
Yeah, that's stupid. But again, basic information about LGBT people as people in a general studies/social studies class is absolutely fine.
shareYou can educate what the religions are like a World History class already does.
shareWhy would a politician have the power to shut down a church?
You fools continue to confuse "freedom of religion" with "freedom from religion". You don't have the slightest clue what "separation of church and state" actually means.
Skav is from the UK, he worships the state so he can’t make the distinction between those two.
shareHis church service is BBC propaganda, I mean "news".
shareCan you tell me, specifically, what "BBC propaganda" you are referring to?
shareThe BBC is state-run and tax funded "news". Probably all of it. Exactly what CNN and MSNBC are today.
share>The BBC is state-run and tax funded "news".
That's not an answer. The BBC is independent from the government. You clearly don't know anything about it runs.
And what "news" are you referring to here. What "BBC propaganda" are you referring to?
>Exactly what CNN and MSNBC are today.
Evidence please.
I'm not going to bother finding you a link. You fucktards can never think for yourself. You need an article to tell you what to think. That's what's wrong with you.
shareSo you have no evidence, as usual.
I am British. I know how the BBC works. You do not. It is not controlled by the government.
Basically you are simply full of shit and talking wank about a country and culture you know nothing about.
Yes, it is controlled by the government just like they control you, they own your ass.
you are simply full of shit and talking wank about a country and culture you know nothing about.
The same applies about you and your constant shit-talk about the USA and Americans. share
>Yes, it is controlled by the government just like they control you, they own your ass.
Provide evidence for these claims.
>The same applies about you and your constant shit-talk about the USA and Americans.
And what claims do I make specifically?
Are you really that stupid? It is an government entity, funded by the taxpayers.
"Basically you are simply full of shit and talking wank about a country and culture you know nothing about."
Hmmmm, imagine that???
>Are you really that stupid? It is an government entity, funded by the taxpayers.
And it operates independently. It is a *state* entity, not the government. I again ask for evidence that the government controls it.
>Hmmmm, imagine that???
And tell me what claims I've made against Americans that are wrong, please?
Sure it does.
"And tell me what claims I've made against Americans that are wrong, please?"
You spew nonsense about us and our political situation all the time. We've been through dozens of topics.
Do I comment about British politics? Very, very rarely.
Do I give a shit? Nope.
>Sure it does.
You've repeatedly claimed that it does not, without any evidence. I continue to wait for evidence for the BBC taking orders from the government.
>You spew nonsense about us and our political situation all the time. We've been through dozens of topics.
What nonsense, specifically?
>Do I comment about British politics? Very, very rarely.
You're literally commenting now, and making bogus allegations based on nothing.
And in what way, specifically, do I "worship the state"?
shareYour bullshit rhetoric here effectively supports the corrupt establishment. Liberals used to be anti-establishment. Now, they're 100% supporting it. Too dumb to know you've been conned.
shareWhat "rhetoric" are you referring to exactly?
shareAll of it.
shareThat's not an argument. What you assert without evidence I can dismiss without evidence.
shareIt is an argument. I don't have to pick and choose your posts. Just like Keeliar (still think you're his sock), everything you post is bullshit. Nothing but political rhetoric = lies.
shareNo, it's baseless claims.
I have literally had multiple arguments with Keelai, dude. We disagree on a number of topics. On what basis am I him?
I will ask again: What "rhetoric" are you referring to exactly?
"I will ask again: What "rhetoric" are you referring to exactly?"
Let me try this again, slowly.
A-L-L.
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That's not an answer. It's a literal toddler response "no u". "everything you say".
shareAll of it.
You sound exactly like Keeliar, word for word.
That's not an answer. It's a literal toddler response "no u". "everything you say".
>You sound exactly like Keeliar, word for word.
You mean the user I'm LITERALLY ARGUING WITH in another thread? I'm him, am I?
All of it.
You sound exactly like Keeliar, word for word.
>All of it.
That's not an answer. It's a literal toddler response "no u". "everything you say". You have the maturity of an 8 year old.
>You sound exactly like Keeliar, word for word.
So explain to me why I am literally arguing with Keeliar in another thread?
All of it. You haven't posted a single thing yet that wasn't partisan politic bullshit.
shareThat's not an answer. It's a literal toddler response "no u". "everything you say". You have the maturity of an 8 year old.
shareAll of it. Pick a post, any post. Guaranteed to be nothing but regurgitated propaganda.
shareThat's not an answer. It's a literal toddler response "no u". "everything you say". You have the maturity of an 8 year old.
share>Why would a politician have the power to shut down a church?
I didn't say they would. I'm asking if you would support a potential candidate who had a history of calling for the state persecution of Christians.