I have no sympathy for dead Palestinian civilians
They voted for Hamas.
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The 5,000+ dead children voted?
shareHow many of the thousands of dead German children killed by Allied bombing during World War II actually voted for Hitler?
shareYou're the one who supports slaughtering children including German ones. You must be a sociopath.
shareDoes that mean you consider the Allies' victory over Germany in World War II illegitimate? Do you want to undo that victory? Do you want to give Germany back to the Nazis and give the rest of Europe back to Germany?
shareSlaughtering children has nothing to do with any victory, you sociopath.
shareBombing cities to destroy weapons factories and other critical infrastructure has everything to do with victory, you moron.
Answer my questions: Do you consider the Allies' victory over Germany in World War II illegitimate? Do you want to undo that victory? Do you want to give Germany back to the Nazis and give the rest of Europe back to Germany?
No, give it to Japan.
shareGive what to Japan?
shareLet's say Florida.
shareWhy should anyone give anything to Japan? And why should Florida of all places be what's given to Japan?
share'Cus we nuked them, and 'cus we don't need it.
shareWhy does the fact that we dropped 2 atom bombs on Japan mean we should give Florida to Japan? There's no precedent for giving land to a group of people because bombs were dropped on them and Florida never belonged to Japan so it has no claim to it. More Japanese were killed by conventional bombing than by the atomic bombings. The firebombing of Tokyo killed more Japanese than either atomic bombing.
shareYou fell right into his trap because now he can flip your entire narrative around and apply it to the Jews, eg. victimhood of how the Germans have been paying billions in restitution to the Jews for decades, land grabbing of Palestine, etc.
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shareSomething tells me elections over there aren't exactly on the level. And even if they were it'd probably be like 30% of the population. I dont trust either side at all, the leaderships are proven liars who have agendas.
It is retarded to feel no sympathy towards people caught up in the mess. It's all sad to watch.
The vast majority of them didn't.
sharemost Germans didn't vote for the Nazis in the 1932 German federal election
shareYou're right, though actually the last true federal elections were 1933.
43,9% Germans voted for the NSDAP (Nazis), what's a lot but still not the majority.
After that the elections were farces, because only the NSDAP was left to vote for.
44,4% Palestinians voted for Hamas. (2006 last true elections)
https://www.wahlrecht.de/news/2006/04.htm
That's not the majority either, but it's wrong that the "vast majority" didn't vote for them.
...it's wrong that the "vast majority" didn't vote for them.
The average age in Gaza / Palestine is around 18/19. I think it was even less ~ 2006 when the last elections happened.
That means that half the population didn't even have the chance to vote in that 2006 election. Those that were old enough to, will now be, what - 35+.
So less than half of those 35+ people living there today actually voted for Hamas.
The vast majority of Palestinians who are being massacred today did not. share
Then they should've done something against their Hamas leaders.
BEFORE the Hamas massacred innocent Israelis in a terror attack, one of many.
Instead, they celebrated the Hamas massacre as 'liberation'. ☻
I'm sorry, I thought you'd said that it was wrong to say the vast majority of Palestinians hadn't voted for Hamas...
You can take your kick the can down the street discussion of "who started it" to someone else. I find that kind of stupidity discussion which will eventually lead to "Well it says this in the Bible" as pointless...
Sorry, for telling you the truth.
Many Hamas fans cannot stand the truth.
Bye. 👋🏼👋🏼👋🏼
No. You told a straight up, ill informed, lie.
Good luck trying to find more friends on the boards. Hope it works out for you 👍
Aha, even election results are 'lies' now. 🙄
And yah, I certainly need some socks 🧦 for soliloquies.
Election results having nothing to do with the vast majority of the current Gaza population not voting for Hamas. That is the truth which you said was wrong.
I believe that is called a "lie". Thanks 👍.
Anyway, otherwise - any experience with treating sanded wood? I'm looking for a decent primer which will stop any potential bleed through?
Sorry, I prefer to stay to the topic.
Fresh in the news the confirmed death of a 19-years-old Israeli woman, one of the more than 200 Hamas hostages.
Her dead body was found in Gaza, close to the al-Shifa hospital.
Hamas probably killed her accidentally.
Hamas doesn't mean it like that. ☻
The name of the young woman is Noa Marciano.
https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Israel-meldet-Fund-von-Leiche-entfuehrter-19-Jaehriger-article24537841.html
More like Israel probably killed her accidentally. However that is completely off topic and irrelevant...
If you want to go off topic talk to me about the best wood primer I can use in your experience.
If you want to stay ON topic, talk to me about how way over 75% of Gaza's current population doesn't constitute a vast majority...
Yah, understandable that you rather talk about the poor Palestinians with their Hamas terror leaders.
More than 200 Hamas hostages and a murdered young Israeli woman are completely "irrelevant".
As the massacre of more than 1,000 innocent Israeli civilians was just a small mistake by Hamas. 😎
Completely irrelevant to the reply I made to the subject title in THIS thread...
A lot of people seem to be saying Zinsser Bin is the one to go for but it's quite pricey for a 1l tin. Worth it or are there other options which would be just as good?
Dark is the meaning of this your reply.
But now Rusty is here and you can discuss your "decent primer" with him...according to the thread's topic.
Bye again. 👋🏼👋🏼👋🏼
FootofDavros,
It's been a very long time since the Palestinians last had elections but according to polling from this summer Hamas has a 57% approval rate in Gaza:
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/polls-show-majority-gazans-were-against-breaking-ceasefire-hamas-and-hezbollah#:~:text=Overall%2C%2057%25%20of%20Gazans%20express,view%20of%20Fatah%20(64%25).
Well, I wouldn't expect humanity from a computer program.
As much as I think Hamas is to blame, don’t let yourself become a Democrat and celebrate the deaths of innocent people.
It’s important to keep our humanity.
That said. Hiroshima/Nagasaki were necessary evils. As is turning Gaza/Hamas to dust.
Hiroshima/Nagasaki were necessary evils.
Otherwise the world would not be aware of the danger of nuclear bombs.
People died there so idiots in power think 100 times before ever launching a nuclear bomb again.
Turning Gaza to dust is also a necessary evil for some people. Not Israel, not jews, not idf.
Trick is: why noone, including Hamas, is naming those people ?
Sure, in 2006. In the meantime they have been subjected to the tyranny and crime of Hamas, while Fatah (who recognizes Israel) languishes in the west bank. It's not like they've had the same democratic environment as us.
share"Hamas has a 57% approval rate in Gaza"
https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/65567b926e99272c1e6d62af/I-have-no-sympathy-for-dead-Palestinian-civilians?reply=655783a98d98285a4909ccea
57% of "somewhat approval"
Same poll expresses 70% for Hamas to surrender and the PA to return
Maybe learn to read your own sources
That wasn't my source.
However, that's the complete quote from the source:
Nevertheless, there is widespread popular appeal for competing armed Palestinian factions, including those involved in the attack. Overall, 57% of Gazans express at least a somewhat positive opinion of Hamas—along with similar percentages of Palestinians in the West Bank (52%) and East Jerusalem (64%)—though Gazans who express this opinion of Hamas are fewer than the number of Gazans who have a positive view of Fatah (64%).
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/polls-show-majority-gazans-were-against-breaking-ceasefire-hamas-and-hezbollah#:~:text=Overall%2C%2057%25%20of%20Gazans%20express,view%20of%20Fatah%20(64%25)
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most Gazans expressed a preference for PA administration and security officials over Hamas—the majority of Gazans (70%) supported a proposal of the PA sending “officials and security officers to Gaza to take over the administration there, with Hamas giving up separate armed units,”
Versus:
57% of Gazans express at least a somewhat positive opinion of Hamas
Again, learn to read your own sources. share
And you should learn to base your opinion on facts.
You victimized the Palestinians by saying:
"In the meantime they have been subjected to the tyranny and crime of Hamas..."
Except that the Palestinians don't feel that way.
Well the data clearly suggests they do. The poll states they have always wanted Hamas out, and the PA in instead. The PA recognizes the State of Israel, and Hamas does not. You've offered those facts yourself.
Since Hamas has refused to hold elections and oppressed its people horribly, you may be of the opinion that that's not a tyranny, and a free and fair democracy instead. However, others may slightly query this.
As you care so much about how palestinians feel. How'd you like it if 20 of your relatives were blown to pieces, their insides splattered everywhere, and anyone who survived is homeless. Would you bow down to that force or consider revenge?
"Since Hamas has refused to hold elections and oppressed its people horribly, you may be of the opinion that that's not a tyranny, and a free and fair democracy instead. However, others may slightly query this."
Classical straw man.
Rest of your post polemic.
And you victimize the poor "oppressed" Palestinians again.
Well whatever you or I say, the data stands. Hamas was, and is, a tyranny. That is not refutable. You even provided all the evidence yourself.
Since you're clinging to whatever loose end, it's best to consider that my point is validated, and the matter closed. You may be unhappy with the outcome, unfortunately all I can do is apologize. Thanks for playing.
Typical...self-declaration of allegedly winning. 🙄
Still doesn't make you a winner.
And neither you nor me is "playing".
You can continue to fight with your straw men.
I said earlier in this thread what it is about .
https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/65567b926e99272c1e6d62af/I-have-no-sympathy-for-dead-Palestinian-civilians?reply=65576a358d98285a4909cc0a
Probably you missed that post cause you were busy spamming the Chinese President's board. ☻
Look: Let's keep this civil. I've won, you've lost, that's all there is to it. Bleating out insults won't help you, me, or anyone.
What would be more grown up, for yourself, is to admit defeat in this argument. There's nothing wrong with admitting it. As individuals, we learn far more from losing, than winning. And it's especially distasteful when a loser refuses to admit themselves so.
I'm happy to be the mature adult in this conversation. But if you want it to go on and on.. well, that's certainly your choice. Keep railing against the world, I guess.
"I've won, you've lost, that's all there is to it." 🤣
shareThanks for the validation.
Seriously, when it comes to such important concepts, it's always better to have a good person around with strong ethics against those who take things lightly.
I guess once you're grown up, you'll understand..