Student loan forgiveness.
Are you for it or against it? Why or why not?
shareIf you are fully functioning adult you took on the problem so it's your responsibility to pay off the loan yourself.
shareWhat if you can not pay it back even if you are hardworking?
shareThen you die for trying ... and that is apparently what blue thinks is right. What a maroon.
shareYou pay whatever amount you can every month. I did that for 10 years.
It's the not the working class' duty to pay off loans for the priviledged.
Something along the lines of "Cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it." comes to mind 🤣🤣🤣
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The problem is living your life - we all take on that problem, from within a society and under an organized government that is supposed to be about making life better for everyone, not just nasty greedy bullying rich people who want to dominate and enslave people by different means ... like debt.
shareFor it ... because all education in American should be free.
Not only that, but we should heavily tax BS media programs and give breaks to educational media.
America has gotten incredibly stupid ... we need to put education as a major goal.
Education for pay is just another way to force/enslave people to the American economy in a way
that is completely anti-democratic. We make very smart people, and then we hobble them with
educational debt just like we hobble sick people with medical debt so they cannot participate in
politics to the full extent because they are dependent on their jobs.
I like hearing people's views. Do you think there are any downsides and why do you think people oppose it?
sharePeople oppose it because they think others will benefit at their expense.
"What do I get out of it!"
oppose to:
"I'm happy the government was able to make your life better brother/sister."
Bottom line, people are stupid and do not have any vision or understanding ...
people acting like animals. Look up the Umweg Problem. Humans who cannot
solve the Umweg Problem should not count, or count as animals. OK, I'm being
sarcastic, but not by that much.
Our society is now driven politically by those who have the most money and are
best at playing on stupid people's weaknesses to get them to support criminal
enterprises that if they were smarter and could apply their own values to it would
never do it.
A stupid population can and sadly probably has already killed America, and left
it open for fascism - the most powerful, loud, corrupt, steps in.
So, the primary thing in democracy is education, understanding, critical thinking,
science, math, logic ... all of those things, and the primary way to enhance that
in a population is to make it free and easily accessible. Our version of capitalism
turns almost all incentives towards destruction.
Not only should education/communication/information be free ... we ought to be
paying people to do it.
Can I get my mortgage forgiven then? Will you be okay with your taxes going up to accomplish that?
After all, "I'm happy the government was able to make your life better brother/sister."
Right?
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Right, in many cases yes.
There are sound economic arguments the country would have been
better off to forgive mortgages in the 2008 crisis than to bailout
the corporations. Corporations are toxic to the government and to
the people - except for the small minority of people who own the
corporation, work for it, are supported by one or two of the above,
and even then it is gain supported by the loss of the natural world
and the outside people. Yes, there are corporations that do good.
I'd cite Amazon for that even thought it gets tons of criticism.
When a system of government has to be propped up to the extent
our culture has to be stupefied, dumbed down, lied to, bribed or
threatened, starved or underpaid more and more and it is obviously
failing - to double down on more repression has never been the answer.
We saw what happened when the government bailed out the people and not the banks...in 2020.
It was a total failure, and everyone bought stupid shit with it. Almost no one invested their stimmy checks.
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Hahaha, stimulus checks were not for investing.
Stimulus means buying shit to keep the economy moving.
You're clueless in your own arguments, as always.
I’m for it if Diaper Joe will pay me the $80,000 I sunk into my undergrad and my graduate degrees. Why should I, someone who showed good financial judgement and responsibility pay for others who didn’t? It’s bullshit.
shareSometimes it it not about poor financial judgement. Sometimes people do not have the ability to pay back the money even though they are hard working.
shareIf they try hard enough and make good life decisions they can pay back the money. I shouldn’t be punished for doing the right thing.
shareNot always the case. Sometimes certain scenarios make it almost impossible to pay back the money. So do you think someone should be hindered by something because someone else was? If I was a slave and then someone else got allowed freedom would I want someone else to have to be enslaved as long as I was enslaved? Or would I be happy someone else did not have to go through the struggle I did? I imagine MLK would be happy black people of today do not have to go through the struggles that he did. That is what makes people compassionate in my opinion.
shareIt's never impossible, if you make good decisions and work hard you can do it, the thing is it's going to take sacrifices which too many people on the left just aren't interested in, they'd rather other people make sacrifices while sitting back and complaining that they aren't sacrificing enough.
MLK would be disgusted at the left today who are using political violence and domestic terrorism to further their lies, conspiracy theories and false agendas. He would be disgusted at the left using race to guilt and shame people into submission.
I did not say it was impossible. I said almost impossible. Also that is a generalization by you. Many people make many sacrifices and still are not able to pay back that money.
Conspiracy theories are spread on both sides. Do not act as if this is exclusive to the left.
I paid my loans.
Buck up, college people. You knew what you were getting into.
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Not everyone has the ability to pay back those loans. Certain hardships in life can prevent hard working people from being able to pay it back. Not everyone's life flows smoothly without any financial hiccups. Sometimes financial struggles can be outside of a person's control.
sharewell you've not really set the store out in your thread OP.
Are you suggesting "Hey ! all students! forgat the loan repaying - doesent matter " ( cos thats how everyones read it )
or are you suggesting that in extreme circumstances ex students in extreme hardship should be forgiven?
The UK system has this built in - you dont start paying till you are earning .
Foreigner here. Although I'm pro-free (at service it's not actually free obviously) college, I still see issues with this. I'm guessing the people that already paid back their loans will not get a refund?
shareLook at it this way if you suffered through a hardship and that law changed would you be happy a person did not have to suffer through the same thing you did?
shareFor it, with the stipulation that people who have already paid off their loans get a tax credit/write-off (or something along those lines).
You take on the debt, you pay it.
Many people should not be egged on to the going to college/university and the people taking their money are no better than loan sharks but personal responsibility has to start somewhere.
And for what its worth, I think people who have a sincere desire to obtain a higher education and appear able to follow through, should have their education fee subsidized or waived.
I bet there are lots of kids growing up poor who would make great doctors if just given the opportunity.
For it. Especially if the school is a rip off and doesn’t even exist anymore.
Also as a conservative I don’t get why other conservatives are saying we should pay our loans back. Think about it. These schools are lib schools so I would think we would want to see them fail.