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The DISINFORMATION Dozen: Just 12 Anti-Vax liars responsible for the majority of vaccine BS

posted 3 years ago by brux (14736)
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Just 12 People Are Behind Most Vaccine Hoaxes On Social Media, Research Shows
https://www.npr.org/2021/05/13/996570855/disinformation-dozen-test-facebooks-twitters-ability-to-curb-vaccine-hoaxes

Fox News’s embarrassing blunder in the White House briefing room
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/16/fox-newss-embarrassing-blunder-white-house-briefing-room/

I, like Doocy, was intrigued by where this number came from Thursday. I, unlike Doocy apparently, actually did 30 seconds of research on it. That’s all the time it took to find the publicly available study — which even has the number Psaki cited in its title, “The Disinformation Dozen” — from the Center for Countering Digital Hate. The study was picked up by the likes of NPR and others in May.

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The Disinformation Dozen are responsible for up to 65% of anti vaccine content At the outset of this research, we identified a dozen individuals who appeared to be extremely influential creators of digital anti-vaccine content. These individuals were selected either because they run anti-vaccine social media accounts with large numbers of followers, because they produce high volumes of anti-vaccine content or because their growth was accelerating rapidly at the outset of our research in February.

Full profiles of each are available at the end of this report.
1. Joseph Mercola
2. Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
3. Ty and Charlene Bollinger
4. Sherri Tenpenny
5. Rizza Islam
6. Rashid Buttar
7. Erin Elizabeth
8. Sayer Ji
9. Kelly Brogan
10. Christiane Northrup
11. Ben Tapper
12. Kevin Jenkins

from the PDF file:
The Disinformation Dozen are responsible for up to 65% of anti-vaccine content
Our analysis of over 812,000 posts extracted from Facebook and Twitter between 1
February and 16 March 2021 shows that 65 percent of anti-vaccine content is
attributable to the Disinformation Dozen.
This shows that while many people might spread anti-vaccine content on social media
platforms, the content they share often comes from a much more limited range of
sources. Exposure to even a small amount of online vaccine misinformation has been
shown by the Vaccine Confidence Project to reduce the number of people willing to take
a Covid vaccine by up to 8.8 percent.6
Platforms have failed to act on the Disinformation Dozen
Despite repeatedly violating Facebook, Instagram and Twitter’s terms of service
agreements, nine of the Disinformation Dozen remain on all three platforms, while just
three have been comprehensively removed from just one platform.
This is an extension of platforms’ failure to act on vaccine misinformation. Research
conducted by CCDH last year has shown that platforms fail to act on 95 percent of the
Covid and vaccine misinformation reported to them, and we have uncovered evidence
that Instagram’s algorithm actively recommends similar misinformation.7
Tracking of 425 anti-vaccine accounts by CCDH shows that their total following across
platforms now stands at 59.2 million as a result of these failures.
8 The 20 anti-vaxxers
with the largest followings account for over two-thirds of this total.

[–] Freeion (111) 3 years ago

I find it hilarious that in 2021, people still believe the myth of centralized misinformation. I'm sure those twelve have large numbers of followers, but deplatforming them will only result in a dozen others popping up and most likely harden the group's resolve.

It's understandable that it's easier to believe that people are just brainwashed into thinking a certain way than admit people naturally tend to seek out opinions that match their own. Just that it isn't true, there will always be people who think differently than you do, you might not understand why they think that way but disagreement is human.

[–] brux (14736) 3 years ago

I think there is something more going on that just people being stupid ... it is a focusing and cohering of the stupid and mobilizing them for political means.

[–] moviechatterer (15796) 3 years ago

yeah but like Freeion says , you can never cut the head off the snake, its a hydra
Due to "information revoultion" everyone has a voice,
and this rabble will *always* have a few loudest voices egging the rest of them on.

[–] brux (14736) 3 years ago

>> Due to "information revoultion" everyone has a voice

Hahaha ... that's ridiculous. Maybe take a media, math or communications class.

If the USA did not have Fox News and rat-fink Clinton's media consolidation de-regulations the could would not be hostage to right-wing ignorant rabble. We could be struggling with the extreme Left nonsense, but I really doubt it because before de-regulation the media was pretty responsible about keeping the extremes of both sides out of the public mind ... and that includes even when there were good or popular ideas.

We never saw Noam Chomsky ( supposedly the darling of the left ), for example, in the media, even on the supposedly Liberal or extremely Liberal PBS, yet we see a lot of total right-wing nut-jobs today, in fact that is most of what we see.

So much so that no one can get even a word in edgewise, and they are drowned out, ignored or shouted down by the moron majority.

We have a country that has let its industry and government fall into fascist hands over the last few decades and we will be extremely lucky if we can get it back, and I am not optimistic about that.

[–] Rorikon (17941) 3 years ago

Schools not teaching people to be smart but too focused on race stuff and parents taking kids out of school for teaching race stuff so they're home schooled by wannabe teachers. Combination of shit that makes Americans stupid in general and why they bleed so much money to every other nation even though they're the richest nation.

Don't forget it only takes a small number of people to spread things like wildfire. Like a virus. One person says something, small followers pick it up and spread it around and then those pick it up and spread it around where eventually you got a whole city or state spouting it. Why it's so easy for foreign authoritative adversarial nations to manipulate these nations.

[–] brux (14736) 3 years ago

Schools are obviously not focused too much on "race stuff" or we would not have so much racism. Texas is the largest school textbook market, so when they order masses of books full of crap, a lot of the rest of the country learns from those books.

Saying the US is the richest nation when in fact we have the largest economy is just another lie we are not really being told how to interpret. Richest nation when in the developed world we have the most people in poverty, much of them non-white, we have the highest prices in things like Internet, telephone, health care, etc.

It is not just that things get spread around, it is that lies are spread around deliberately and amplified by the right-wing media, and the right-wing trolls too.

[–] B1cKsurN (17486) 3 years ago

Soooooo...where's the evidence?

[–] wheelin176 (2054) 3 years ago

Like you I'm waiting for an answer with a link.

[–] B1cKsurN (17486) 3 years ago

These are the same crazies that actually believe a bunch of unorganized people can successfully overthrow the US Governement with batons and viking hats.

[–] chilone (17915) 3 years ago

If the "government" was a bunch of leftist, gender neutral soy boys, they could.

[–] JoWilli (20282) 3 years ago

just wear 7 masks, problem solved...

[–] Rorikon (17941) 3 years ago

Pfft. Pathetic. I wear 24 like triple layered tampon/diapers/toilet paper. Everywhere I go I can't breath but at least I know I am safe. I even mask my privates in case it pops out to take a breath of erection.

[–] KinkyInk (1694) 3 years ago

'Disinformation' is the new tool of the Left to silence anyone who disagrees with them. Public debate is not permitted on issues where the Left has already determined what the 'truth' is.

A year ago, they were doing the same thing to anyone who suggested that Covid-19 may have come from the Wuhan lab. They were shunned, banned on social media, and publicly shamed. You will be penalized if you question the dogma.

Somewhere, George Orwell is telling his critics, "I told you so."

[–] brux (14736) 3 years ago

The Right is pushing disinformation to shout down the Left.

The Right cannot abide by the rule of law and has to corrupt the government and break its oaths to protect the Constitution when it votes down an investigation on an insurgency because it knows in advance the result will implicate them.

The Right funds all kinds of disinformation about problems with the vaccine, and this after denying the pandemic and doing nothing about it for almost a year, and then just pretending to take it seriously.

In the broader picture the right brings on these catastrophes because the catastrophes hurt the people and are always money making opportunities to steal from them. Disinformation is a big part of how they do it ... but the other side is in knowing how to manipulate very stupid people.

[–] KinkyInk (1694) 3 years ago

"The Right is pushing disinformation to shout down the Left."

Wow, projection at its finest.

Didn't the Left tell us for three years about how Trump colluded with the Russians? It was on every newscast day after day. It was all the Democrats talked about, claiming they'd seen 'proof' of the collusion. They even spent millions of dollars on an investigation.

An investigation that led to zero proof of any collusion.

On the other hand, the Left just shuts down opinions they disagree with, labeling it 'disinformation.' An old Soviet tactic.

[–] brux (14736) 3 years ago

Can't read I guess.

[–] moviechatterer (15796) 3 years ago

Covid-19 may have come from the Wuhan lab

Would knowing wether that was true or not have made any difference to anyone's plans?
(apart from a lot of innocent chinese ex-pats would probly be lynched on the streets)

The cat was out of the bag.

[–] KinkyInk (1694) 3 years ago

"Would knowing wether that was true or not have made any difference to anyone's plans?"

Of course it would. If China had admitted it came from the lab, they would have to admit how contagious they knew it was. Which they lied about. Perhaps they would've even closed their borders completely to stop it from getting out. And the world would've known exactly what kind of danger there was.

But no, you libs don't want to blame China. Because it's all Trump's fault, right?

[–] KinkyInk (1694) 3 years ago

Kamala Harris, when asked during the vice-presidential debate if she would take the vaccine if the Trump Administration approved it:

“If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I’ll be the first in line to take it. Absolutely. But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it. I’m not taking it.”

It makes no sense that any vaccine would get to the release point without at least a majority of 'public heath professionals' approving it. So she seems to be saying that, despite those 'public heath professionals' approving it, she wouldn't take it if Trump came out in support of it.

[–] brux (14736) 3 years ago

I don't care about something Kamala Harris said, or something you said that Kamala Harris said. It means nothing and only reflects on her. So what?

You just prove the untrustworthiness of your comments and opinions when you pick something from Kamala Harris to make a big deal of, and have ignored all the majority of actions and idiotic comments President Trump has said during his life and administration and is still saying. A guy who provoked the Joint Chiefs of Staff to write a unanimous letter telling him they would not stand for a military takeover of the US government.

Kinky ... if you ever got anything right in one of your comments it would be by pure accident, or maybe a typo.

[–] KinkyInk (1694) 3 years ago

"I don't care about something Kamala Harris said"

So you want to shut down anyone who is trying to talk people out of taking the virus, but you're okay with a vice-presidential candidate doing exactly that?

Your hypocrisy is on display.

"A guy who provoked the Joint Chiefs of Staff to write a unanimous letter telling him they would not stand for a military takeover of the US government."

You mean the idiot who compared Trump to Hitler? The same idiot who predicted a 'coup' that never happened?

[–] brux (14736) 3 years ago

Cannot read or comprehend.

[–] KinkyInk (1694) 3 years ago

"Cannot read or comprehend."

And now we get to the point of the debate where the liberal can't respond with any logic, so they just make some random insult or accusation.

[–] brux (14736) 3 years ago

No point in responding when you make up stuff about what I said and don't bother to read it or the article I cited. That's on you.

[–] KinkyInk (1694) 3 years ago

"No point in responding..."

Yes, there's no point in responding when you don't have anything logical to offer.

So, once again, why is okay for Kamala Harris to undermine the vaccine, but others who do it are censored for 'misinformation'?

[–] brux (14736) 3 years ago

Or when the person I am responding to is disingenuous and doesn't reply to logic.

[–] chilone (17915) 3 years ago

You are disingenuous personified.

[–] KinkyInk (1694) 3 years ago

Still can't answer the question?

And I'm disingenuous?

This from the person who said: "There are no long term side effects of these new mRNA vaccines, period."

Yes, this 'honest' person claimed there where no long term side effects from a vaccine that was created less than a year ago. And then followed it with 'period', as if no one should have the audacity to question his 'facts'.

That's hilarious. Dude, you're a joke.

[–] brux (14736) 3 years ago

Actually the vaccine was created in 2019 Mr. Know It All.

The mRNA vaccines are a terrific innovation that if you bothered to read up on, and inform yourself - which I know you won't do because you don't care, your aim here is to make the vaccine sound dangerous so the economy will not recover and Republicans can pretend to blame it on Biden and the Democrats.

All your wishy-washy whiny shivering fear-mongering about these viruses is foolish. They have been used on hundreds of millions of people and there are no proven permanent or dangerous side effects.

Right soon they will be redoing the older vaccines in mRNA form to make them safer ... but you will fear monger about them too I suppose.

[–] KinkyInk (1694) 3 years ago

"Actually the vaccine was created in 2019 Mr. Know It All."

Sure it was. From here: https://www.biospace.com/article/a-timeline-of-covid-19-vaccine-development/

The arrival of the COVID-19 pandemic to Europe and North America by February 2020 was followed by similar lockdowns across the Western world, with varying degrees of restrictions achieving different degrees of success in reigning in the virus. To many in the scientific and medical communities, it quickly became apparent that a post-COVID-19 world would certainly involve some sort of immunization program.

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By mid-summer, Moderna and Pfizer had established themselves as the leaders in the race to develop a COVID-19 vaccine. Both companies were also the only to take the mRNA vaccine approach, publishing initial Phase I/II clinical trial data on July 14th for Moderna, and on August 12th for Pfizer. Although sample sizes were small—as they typically are in early phase clinical trials—the results demonstrated promising safety measures and antibody production against the spike protein from those who got the vaccine.

Yes, Braniac, they actually developed the vaccine before the virus arose. *eyeroll*

Seriously? What is wrong with you?

[–] brux (14736) 3 years ago

They had the genome of the virus by Dec 2019, which is why the design of the vaccine was created in 2019. They did have the vaccine design before the pandemic. As to certification of the vaccine we'll just the to see, it is supposed to be much earlier than next year.

What is wrong with you always spinning negative bullcrap. There are no issues with these mRNA vaccines, they are the most effective and safest vaccines every created. You can wait 20 years for long-term side effects if you want, but the longer the long-term is the less they can show it has anything to do with the vaccine.

Go ahead and blather on and on while your fellow head in the grounders catch Covid and fill up the hospitals though.

[–] KinkyInk (1694) 3 years ago

"They had the genome of the virus by Dec 2019, which is why the design of the vaccine was created in 2019."

The vaccine wasn't completed until the middle of 2020, when it was then submitted for testing.

That's a fact. You're the one blathering lies.

And if you've noticed, I haven't recommended that anyone not take the vaccine. My only point has been that people have the right to question the long-term effects, especially since how quickly it was brought to market. People should have the right to decide what medicines they take.

But no, fascists like you not only want to shut up anyone who even brings up the topic, you want to use government power to force people to take medication against their will.

"it is supposed to be much earlier than next year."

Link?

And there's this from the CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/safety-of-vaccines.html

Long-Term Side Effects Are Unlikely
Serious side effects that could cause a long-term health problem are extremely unlikely following any vaccination, including COVID-19 vaccination. Vaccine monitoring has historically shown that side effects generally happen within six weeks of receiving a vaccine dose. For this reason, the FDA required each of the authorized COVID-19 vaccines to be studied for at least two months (eight weeks) after the final dose. Millions of people have received COVID-19 vaccines, and no long-term side effects have been detected.

CDC continues to closely monitor the safety of COVID-19 vaccines. If scientists find a connection between a safety issue and a vaccine, FDA and the vaccine manufacturer will work toward an appropriate solution to address the specific safety concern (for example, a problem with a specific lot, a manufacturing issue, or the vaccine itself).

'Extremely unlikely' is not impossible. And they're still continuing to monitor it. Why would that be?

People should be aware that there is a possibility.

[–] brux (14736) 3 years ago

You are just wasting time and playing around.
The vaccine design was out before 2020. Of course they had work to do to mass produce it and test it.

Flat out answer if you recommend people to get the mRNA vaccines or not? Have you been vaccinated or not.

I'm not playing your BS game. I have nothing to say to you who make up and believe your own facts, especially when the issue is people are dying and Covid-19 is returning in red states where dishonest "murdering" people are telling people to not wear masks and that the vaccine will kill them.

You are seriously contributing to murder when you do that.

[–] KinkyInk (1694) 3 years ago

"The vaccine design was out before 2020. Of course they had work to do to mass produce it and test it."

Wrong. The process was described in a link I posted above. https://www.biospace.com/article/a-timeline-of-covid-19-vaccine-development/

Given the safety concerns, two companies, namely Moderna and Pfizer—the latter of whom did not participate in OWS but rather took funds from a similar German government program—decided to pursue a long-theorized but yet to be realized vaccine technology. This technology, known as mRNA vaccines, take a slightly altered approach to vaccination protocols. Instead of inoculating people with a whole—but altered—virus for which antibodies will be created against, they instead encode a messenger RNA (mRNA) with the information to produce the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein.

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By mid-summer, Moderna and Pfizer had established themselves as the leaders in the race to develop a COVID-19 vaccine. Both companies were also the only to take the mRNA vaccine approach, publishing initial Phase I/II clinical trial data on July 14th for Moderna, and on August 12th for Pfizer.

Can you read that? Can you comprehend it? Let me highlight the important parts:

"decided to pursue a long-theorized but yet to be realized vaccine technology."

mRNA is a WAY to produce vaccines, not the actual vaccine itself.

"By mid-summer, Moderna and Pfizer had established themselves as the leaders in the race to develop a COVID-19 vaccine."

There you have it. By midsummer, they were 'racing to develop' the vaccine. Not to mass produce it or test it.

Stop lying. You are the one making up facts.

Pathetic.

[–] brux (14736) 3 years ago

The issue is that you believe the vaccine will kill you.
That is the biggest lie, or hysteria.

[–] KinkyInk (1694) 3 years ago

"The issue is that you believe the vaccine will kill you.
That is the biggest lie, or hysteria."

True. That is the biggest lie.

By you, since I never said that. I guess it's easier to make up shit I said, instead of responding to what I actually wrote.

[–] brux (14736) 3 years ago

You Conservative shills are all about making up ways to denounce the vaccine without actually saying it so you don't get deleted or banned from social websites, or just recognized for what you are here ... because this place seems not to care a bit about how far Conservatives go with their mad lies.

By the way, I am not even listening to you any more. If you have nothing else going on in your life you can continue to stalk me and wise off in other discussions, but I don't feel the need to read or reply to you any more now that it is clear what you are about.

[–] brux (14736) 3 years ago

> Flat out answer if you recommend people to get the mRNA vaccines or not? Have you been vaccinated or not.

No answer, just more distraction

[–] KinkyInk (1694) 3 years ago

"Flat out answer if you recommend people to get the mRNA vaccines or not? Have you been vaccinated or not."

The fact that you ask that shows you're not comprehending what I'm saying.

I recommend people look at all the facts, and then decide for themselves. Just like I did. We all have the right to decide which medicines we want to put into our bodies.

And 'all the facts' includes information the Biden administration is trying to use the power of the government to censor.

[–] brux (14736) 3 years ago

And there is nothing in that link that disputes what I said except in your delusional and untruthful mind.

Do you recommend people to get the mRNA vaccines?
Have you been vaccinated or not?
More lies?

[–] KinkyInk (1694) 3 years ago

"And there is nothing in that link that disputes what I said"

You:

"Actually the vaccine was created in 2019 Mr. Know It All."

Vaccine experts:

""By mid-summer, Moderna and Pfizer had established themselves as the leaders in the race to develop a COVID-19 vaccine."

So yes, you're a moron. Anyone who can comprehend the English language can see that.

And what makes it especially hilarious, is that you're arrogantly stupid.

[–] brux (14736) 3 years ago

the leaders because they had it already.

you're just a lying waste of skin.

[–] KinkyInk (1694) 3 years ago

"the leaders because they had it already."

Yeah, they were in a 'race to develop' it because they had it already.

Seriously, do you have a brain disorder?

[–] KinkyInk (1694) 3 years ago

"but the longer the long-term is the less they can show it has anything to do with the vaccine."

Exactly right.

Which is why they perform clinical tests for years, using a controlled group of people. So if there is a long-term side effect, they know it came from the vaccine.

But with it now being released to the general public, people could be getting sick in a few years and we'll never know if it was the vaccine causing it.

But that's fine with you, right? As long as those of you who forced people to take it against their will can't be blamed.

[–] brux (14736) 3 years ago

They cannot and have not proven there is one lethal side effect from the mRNA vaccines. If there is nothing short-term you are merely fear-mongering about long-term effects.

Why don't you put your energy into fear mongering about Long-Covid?

The answer to that is because you are a troll for disinformation, just exactly what the point of the post was about. Replying to you just gives your nonsense credibility ... you are all about killing people.

[–] KinkyInk (1694) 3 years ago

Once again, since you're too stupid to understand:

Given the safety concerns, two companies, namely Moderna and Pfizer—the latter of whom did not participate in OWS but rather took funds from a similar German government program—decided to pursue a long-theorized but yet to be realized vaccine technology. This technology, known as mRNA vaccines, take a slightly altered approach to vaccination protocols.

"Yet to be realized vaccine technology." That means the Covid vaccines were the first ones to use that process.

"They cannot and have not proven there is one lethal side effect from the mRNA vaccines."

Of course they haven't. you idiot. But we're not talking about 'proven' side effects. We're talking about 'potential' side effects. And no, it hasn't been 'proven' that there are no long-term side effects.

It would really help here if you would learn to read. With comprehension.

By the way, I noticed how you slipped the word 'lethal' in there. Is it impossible for you to have an honest discussion?

[–] brux (14736) 3 years ago

You are reading things into that link that are not there.

Also I have no idea what biospace is but they are just wrong about this:

> When the SARS-CoV-2 virus responsible for the current COVID-19 pandemic arose in the Wuhan region of China at the end of 2019, no one could have predicted what was to come.

What do you think the pandemic team was preparing for?

The basics of the mRNA vaccines were propitiously ready to go, and they needed only mapping of the virus spike protein.

You are wrong about this. You are wrong to read into it only one way. You are wrong not to consult other narratives about it to.

Plus you are just typically wrong and a jerk to constantly call me names. It proves that you are pushing something you cannot prove ... and would not matter if you could because the issue is the vaccine's safety.

Refusing to answer means all those names apply more to you.

[–] KinkyInk (1694) 3 years ago

"You are reading things into that link that are not there."

So when they say:

"decided to pursue a long-theorized but yet to be realized vaccine technology."

Me saying:

"That means the Covid vaccines were the first ones to use that process."

Is reading something that isn't there? Seriously?

So the Covid vaccines WEREN'T the first vaccines to use that process?

Do you have a reading disability?

[–] brux (14736) 3 years ago

I think you have Covid-19 dementia.

[–] KinkyInk (1694) 3 years ago

"I think you have Covid-19 dementia."

Once again, we get to the point where the liberal has no logical rebuttal, so he resorts to an insult instead.

I've laid it out in perfect English. You have the chance to explain how I'm "reading things into that link that aren't there."

But you don't. That says everything that needs to be said.

Now it's your turn to respond with something inane like, "You're not worth responding to."

Hilarious.

[–] KinkyInk (1694) 3 years ago

"and a jerk to constantly call me names."

Says the guy who said these things to me:

"The answer to that is because you are a troll for disinformation"
"you are all about killing people."
"More lies?"
"except in your delusional and untruthful mind."
"You Conservative shills are all about..."
"You are seriously contributing to murder when you do that."
"All your wishy-washy whiny shivering fear-mongering about these viruses is foolish."
"when the person I am responding to is disingenuous"
"Cannot read or comprehend."

No problem, I can take it. Your opinion of me is meaningless.

But maybe you could stop the whining about getting back exactly what you're giving.

[–] CoreyHaimFan (1031) 3 years ago

Long term side effects of covid vax aren't known.

This and this only is the only reason I won't get vaxxed.

All the other noise is just noise.

[–] brux (14736) 3 years ago

The long term side-effects, the way you think about it of anything are already known and the push heavily towards getting the vaccine if you have a brain/life you care to protect.

The long and the short term side-effects of being ignorant are known in the general case and they are not good. Maybe wise up a bit if you live long enough. There are no long term side effects of these new mRNA vaccines, period.

But, just for the sake of showing what a naive hypocrite you are, you have had to take shots for your health and by law to protect others in your life, when you go to school, or when you go to another country, and every one of those vaccines in the past have had side-effects, whereas they are no known side-effects of the mRNA vaccines at all.

The side effects of vaccines are known to be tied to the injection and include soreness and a tiredness due to activation of the immune system - that's it. Be a scaredy-cat if you want, but it makes you look stupid and statistically is hurtful to your health.

[–] KinkyInk (1694) 3 years ago

"There are no long term side effects of these new mRNA vaccines, period."

Period? How do you know that? How do you know there are no long term side effects with something that was just created less than a year ago?

Are you an immunologist? Did you read it somewhere?

Seriously, I'd like to know how you're so sure.

[–] B1cKsurN (17486) 3 years ago

It's a cult.

[–] CoreyHaimFan (1031) 3 years ago

You nor anyone else knows what if any long term side effects are. Thanks for your concern but I'll pass mmmkay?

The other shots and vaccines I've taken in my life had been studied for years if not decades.

The long term side effects for this are not yet known because it hasn't been around for a long time. Hence the term "long term".
You mentioned arm soreness as a side effect and yes that is a SHORT TERM side effect. But I mentioned long.

[–] brux (14736) 3 years ago

There are no long-term side effects to any vaccine. Side-effects to vaccines show up soon after the vaccination. Being a scared and superstitious coward, you only hurt yourself.

Not to mention that the farther away you are from the vaccine the more difficult ... i.e. impossible it is to prove that whatever you are calling a side effect actually was caused by the vaccine. You are not being safe, you are being foolish, and promoting fear-mongering.

[–] KinkyInk (1694) 3 years ago

"There are no long-term side effects to any vaccine."

That's normally the case because there's extensive clinical trials before the vaccine is approved. Here is the normal process:

1) Discovery research – normally takes between 2 and 5 years and involves lab-based research looking to find ways to induce an immune response.

2) The pre-clinical stage – takes up to 2 years and involves testing in animals to assess the safety and suitability of potential vaccines.

3) Clinical development involves testing potential vaccines in humans and has three phases:
phase I: testing for safety – takes 2 years and requires 10-50 (usually healthy) people for trials.
phase II: understanding the immune response, safety and dosage – takes 2 to 3 years and requires hundreds of people to take part in randomised trials, including a placebo control group.
phase III: assessing if the vaccine safely protects against the disease – including prevention of infection and related immune responses – takes 5 to 10 years and requires thousands of people to take part in trials.

4) Regulatory approval – can take 2 years and involves submitting data and information on the vaccine’s safety and efficacy to regulatory authorities for review, to gain approval.

5) Manufacturing and delivery – require specialist facilities that are highly regulated and expensive to set up.

Obviously, they rushed it for Covid-19. Which was appropriate. But one of the trade-offs for skipping long-term trials, is not knowing the long-term effects.

[–] brux (14736) 3 years ago

All you are doing is going backwards and questioning things that have already been done. All the tests have been done on the mRNA vaccines - in parallel. The FDA is expected to give full approval, a mere paperwork formality that is being held up by Republican interests, in the next month or so.

Feel free to wait as long as you want, but it is unacceptable to lie to other people to try to scare them.

[–] KinkyInk (1694) 3 years ago

"All you are doing is going backwards and questioning things that have already been done."

You're the one claiming vaccines have a history of having no long-term side effects. I'm pointing out that those vaccines have gone through years and years of testing.

"All the tests have been done on the mRNA vaccines - in parallel."

Yes, 15 years of usual testing have been done in less than a year. Got it.

"The FDA is expected to give full approval, a mere paperwork formality that is being held up by Republican interests, in the next month or so."

Actually, the FDA approval is expected in January, with the possibility it may happen sooner: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/pfizer-says-fdas-decision-to-approve-its-covid-19-vaccine-is-expected-by-january-2021-07-19

Pfizer Inc. PFE, -0.50% said Friday that the Food and Drug Administration accepted its application for full approval of the COVID-19 vaccine it developed with BioNTech SE BNTX, +4.83%. As part of the application process, the FDA sets a decision date based on the rules of the Prescription Drug User Fee Act for applications that receive what is called Priority Review. The decision date is set for an undisclosed day in January, Pfizer said. This means that Pfizer's COVID-19 shot may not be fully approved in the U.S. until then, though the decision could occur sooner.

Any other lies you want to spew? And do you have a link showing where the Republicans are holding up the FDA approval?

[–] NGMI (1184) 3 years ago

True. Dying isn't a long term side effect. If only Hank Aaron and Marvin Haggler knew that before they died from the vaccine.

[–] brux (14736) 3 years ago

Lies, lies and more lies from Trumpers, trolls and traitors ...

Hank Aaron’s Death Attributed to Natural Causes
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/01/scicheck-hank-aarons-death-attributed-to-natural-causes/

SciCheck Digest
Baseball legend and civil rights activist Henry “Hank” Aaron died from natural causes, according to the medical examiner’s office in Fulton County, Georgia. There’s no evidence that his death was a result of being vaccinated against COVID-19 in early January, as multiple posts and articles shared on social media have suggested.

[–] NGMI (1184) 3 years ago

Oh, it says factcheck in the website, so it must be fact. Not a paid shill. Nice post sheep.

[–] brux (14736) 3 years ago

Keep waiting for your OK on what to believe from Trump or Q, Ostrich.

[–] jewoogle (2269) 3 years ago

the reason i wont ever get the vax is cause i have been screwed over before personally and have seen family members screwed over by the medical system horribly during my lifetime. i have no trust for any authority weather it is medical or political or media. i dont need anyone to convince me to not take the vaccine. the evil system and world we live in has thought me enough to know to do whatever is the opposite society and authority tell me to do...

[–] Satan2016 (25582) 3 years ago

I cough in your general direction!

[–] NGMI (1184) 3 years ago

It's whether, and taught. Holy shit.

[–] jewoogle (2269) 3 years ago

give yourself a pat on da back and join the fucking spelling bee you grammar nazi nerd lol

[–] NGMI (1184) 3 years ago

nerd? Thats friggen 4th grade grammar. How did you get past it?

[–] jewoogle (2269) 3 years ago

i played videogames all day after school like a boss and used cheat sheetz for all my tests. dropped outta college and became millionaire year after. schools out for me bud

[–] Satan2016 (25582) 3 years ago

A better headline would be "Alternative medicine biggest source of anti-vaccine propaganda". Half the list are quacks.

Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. is a Democrat and Greenie. Rizza Islam is Nation of Islam member. Most religious communes are anti-vaccine.

[–] jewoogle (2269) 3 years ago

alternative medicine is the right medicine. mainstream medicine expessially in usa is evil medicine. first thing the phd quack tries to do when u are born here in murica is try to chop off ur dickskin. victims of this practice has mutilated dicks with dead nerve endings all over. they cant enjoy sex and need pharma drugs just to get there dicks up. they system will destroy u on purpose in order to make u a dependent slave to it. so glad my parents where "alternative" enough to not be scammed by evil doctors into mutilating the only thing that means anything to me