Trump is now guaranteed to win in 2020.
Thank you Pelosi and Schiff.
shareYou said that two months ago. I guess you mean it for realsies this time. No shenanners.
shareno I didn't, you are high on impeachment fumes...
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Yes. Zero chance he will be removed from office, an already devoted following now whipped up into a wrathful frenzy and only a befuddled old Sleepy Joe Biden to stand against them on his hairy old legs... I hope the feeling the Democrats are having right now will be worth all the tears on election night and the following 4 years.
sharean already devoted following now whipped up into a wrathful frenzy
AKA: Angry rednecks and inbreeders. share
Yeah. I guess it's safe to write them off as irrelevant. After all, that's what Hillary did with her Basket of Deplorables. Worked out fine for her.
shareI never wrote them off as irrelevant.
Plus, the fact that they're 110% unwavering in their support of this maniac regardless of what what he does would make them decidedly VERY relevant.
Donnie Diapers said back in 2016 'A president who's impeached is a deplorable'. Imagine?
shareWatch your mouth. What the Hell would you know about rednecks, genius?
No, don't answer - it's rhetorical, Einstein.
Plenty. I've lived with them and some of them are even family.
And watch my mouth? What are you going to do about it, you joke? XD
You're the one who talks non-stop daily about someone you can't stand, and I'm the joke, you garbage human? Ha!
Hey when you get a minute, when you've got a little extra time and not doing anything special...
Why don't you kiss my ass?
I'd rather kiss a toilet seat, sunshine. It's cleaner. :)
shareOh no! You've struck me to the quick!lol!
I'm just so hurt now.
Sweetheart.
You must be, considering the fact that you persist in posting to me out of the clear blue. This is, like, the third time now in a couple months that you raged at me and told me to "watch your mouth" when I bring up hillbillies, so I'm obviously striking a nerve there somewhere.
shareWell I'm obviously striking a nerve somewhere.
So... if you don't wanna be posted... why do you post... genius?
If you don't wanna be raged at... why do you rage... yeah I dunno what to call you here.
Honestly, you come on here and do nothing but talk about someone you don't like and say things to get a negative response.
And then complain.
Darlin.
I've never seen so many Democraps commit political suicide before. They're like lemmings throwing themselves into the sea.
shareRepublicans don't trust crooked Trump either and want him impeached but are AFRAID so they whisper their discontent to the press anonymously. At least the Democrats care enough about fighting for the rule of law and democracy to take a stand and vote for what' s right. I admire courage.
BTW, I was against impeachment even though Trump had been breaking the law because I feared it would hurt the moderate Democrats. But, after Trump blackmailed the Ukrainian leader, I changed my mind. A president cannot be above the law nor attack our elections. It's sad so few Republicans care more about their careers than saving democracy. I applaud Justin Amash for taking a stand.
He'll only win if the important swing states are won by him again. Other than that, it's impossible for him to win any other way. He's already lost the popular vote. If dems can turn them or enough of them, he's done for good.
shareTrumpers either aren't aware of how close this race is or they're being willfully ignorant. I think the 2016 win has given them quite a bit of overconfidence. Not good. Hillary voters lost in 2016 when they were at the peak of overconfidence. Now it's the other way around with Trumpers acting that way while dems are being more cautious.
shareYou Trumpers are making the same mistake the Hillary voters made in 2016: sitting, back, relaxing and acting assured of your win. Careful--history has a way of repeating itself in different ways.
Do you have ANY idea how close this race is? Do you ever bother to do research into the numbers? Donald is anything BUT a sure bet at this point. It's a dangerously close race right now.
Just sitting there and saying: "He's sure to win now!" doesn't really mean anything. It won't just magically make him win.
Donald also said the stock market would crash if he was impeached. Yeah, that comment didn't age well.
Don't be so sure.
December 18, 2019 will be marked as the day Trump won reelection in 2020. Republicans are about to retake the house as well in 2020. Since the day Trump was elected in 2016 Democrats have been scheming up a coup, an impeachment to try and get Trump removed from office. This hoax won't pass the Senate, so they have failed there. Looking at that totally partisan effort to impeach Trump, this is a witch hunt more than ever.
How are the libs gonna say with a strait face that Joe Biden is the answer when Trump was impeached for exactly what Joe Biden did when he was VP. Biden even admits (and boasts) on camera that he would withhold aid unless the prosecutor investigating his son was fired.
And what sort of excuse will you make if he loses the election? Soros, right?
shareSo you are gonna vote for Biden, who by left standards, should also have been impeached when VP?
shareYou didn't answer my question. Answer the question: What will you use as an excuse IF Donald lose the election? You gonna answer the question or continue to bullshit me with strawman? The ball is in your court.
shareIf he loses, he loses.
shareStill didn't answer my question. What excuse will you make if he loses? Answer the question or shut your mouth.
shareWon't make any, because he won't lose. You're gonna vote for Biden who should have been impeached based on Nancy's rules. Hypocrite much? Just showing your true colors.
shareYeah, I figured that would be your answer. There could never be another answer from someone like you. EVER.
shareAre you voting for Biden? If you were so "offended" by Trump's actions, you certainly can't be voting for Biden then, since you know, he admitted to doing the same thing in an interview.
And i told you, if he loses, he loses. Why do you keep wanting me to give you an excuse?
No, I'm not voting for Biden. Never had any intention to.
Now answer MY question: what excuse will you make if Donald loses?
I won't make an excuse. You seem fixated on this. When the Senate votes to clear Trump of any charges, what excuse will you make for Nancy's failures when she costs the left the house and presidency in 2020?
shareYou can't answer my question because it would derail everything that represents why you're here. Plain and simple as that. I knew it, too. I just thought I'd experiment and see if maybe--just MAYBE--I'd be wrong and you'd find an answer. Nope. My initial instincts regarding you were, unfortunately, correct.
What a shame.
Do you know how to read? Serious question. See my reply above. "I won't make an excuse." Other responses - "if he loses, he loses". I normally rip people who are too lazy to get a job and leech off the tax payer, but it must be hard for you to find work when you can't read.
shareDo YOU know how to read? My last post was quite clear, Strawman.
shareI don't understand the people who keep saying Trump is going to win. Do they not understand how math works? Trump has not picked up any independents, nor anyone who voted D in the last election. He will not get pluralities of women, people of color, the college educated, and the blue collars and farmers who realized they were screwed over. His base is dying off. There's not enough fat, uneducated, impotent, scared-of-their shadow, incels to get him re-elected.
shareBecause of our archaic electoral college system, those three key swing states everyone mentions could still be the deciding factor on whether Trump wins or not. From what I understand, he would absolutely NEED to snag a win in them if he stands a chance of winning reelection.
From everything I keep reading, he's practically tied with the dems in those states which should leave Trump and his base worried. That's how close this race is. It really could go either way. That's also why our system is so damn screwed up: he's so damn unpopular and has LESS than half this country's support but could still win reelection. Doesn't sound right, does it? That's where we're at.
Because of our archaic electoral college system, those three key swing states everyone mentions could still be the deciding factor on whether Trump wins or not. From what I understand, he would absolutely NEED to snag a win in them if he stands a chance of winning reelection.
Why did the Founding Fathers create the electoral college system? Why is there a House and Senate in Congress. What happens if there is no electoral college? NO candidate will campaign in the mid states EVER. They would only campaign in Cali, NY, Texas, Florida, Penn, etc. The representation of those states will be gone.
Why would a candidate be campaigning in Kansas when they can grab a million more votes by staying in NYC? How you don't realize this is because you're stupid or because you don't care even though this is the United States.
From everything I keep reading, he's practically tied with the dems in those states which should leave Trump and his base worried. That's how close this race is. It really could go either way. That's also why our system is so damn screwed up: he's so damn unpopular and has LESS than half this country's support but could still win reelection. Doesn't sound right, does it? That's where we're at.
Move to Venezuela, Fredo. I keep telling you and you wouldn't have to bitch about the system the Founding Fathers created that keeps the states united. 🤪🤪🤪
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A founding father wouldn't shake your hand, and you are disgracing them by even bringing them up in your nonsense. Pubs use FFs to get to their ends, not what they were intending at that time, which was many years ago and things have changed greatly. Disgusting.
shareWhy not, pray tell? A Founding Father wouldn't ask for SOCIALISM, like you komrades. No taxation without representation. Remember that? You didn't, did you? And yet you and your dunce komrades want to get rid of the electoral college. Where will the representation come from if no President campaigns in their small populated states, pray tell?
Notice the lack of rebuttal you gave to post you are replying to? Instead, all you do is go on a bitch and moan tirade. That's all you dunce komrades can do. You offer no solutions and you have ZERO INDEPENDENT THOUGHT.
Had you and your dunce komrades simply move to Venezuela, it's Sean Penn endorsed by the way, all of your issues would be resolved.
Black support has risen from 9% to almost 30%. Are they all fat, uneducated, impotent, scared-of-their shadow incels too?
shareThat sounds more like approval than support. If you don't give people an opponent to choose from, you're basically just asking for job approval. And 30% ain't good.
Perhaps he gets those numbers against Pete, but he doesn't get them when compared to the current dems leading in the polls.
Trump gets about 12% support against Biden's 88%.
Trump gets about 14% support against Bernie's 86%.
Trump gets about 17% support against Liz's 83%.
And those are Zogby numbers which heavily skew towards Trump.
I remember those polls...
Wasn't it 99% Clinton, 1% Trump?
Lol.
As for your question, I've already accepted for some time now that the impeachment will not successfully remove him.
Regardless of my personal feelings toward the way Nancy has handled some things, I have nothing but support for the way she's handling this impeachment. The impeachment was a loss right out the gate. It was never going to go any other way. That's not the point. The point is to hold elected officials accountable. The point is that no president can just freely break laws that go unanswered. The point is to show that donald did something wrong. Impeaching him on just the Russia stuff would have been wrong. There was nothing there. This Ukraine deal was wrong regardless of what guilt Biden does or does not have. Period.
I have no excuse to make for Pelosi when the impeachment inevitably fails. She admitted in the beginning that she knows how this will end for the impeachment. She admitted from the beginning what the true purposes of it were. I have no excuse to make as she already made those excuses herself.
And, if this causes donald's election to become MORE likely rather than less likely, then I will hold Pelosi and the other dems accountable for not impeaching Trump on more than just this Ukraine deal. I already hold them accountable for not making sure Trump's tax return situation was resolved for opening this impeachment. They needed more meat for sure.
But, you know what? Regardless of it all, impeachment was necessary. Donald was wrong. No matter how many dems are wrong for what--it doesn't diminish donald's guilt. You're in this for partisanship and nothing more. Every post you make just reeks of it. I'm ashamed of my government and my country. I'm ashamed of both parties. And, most of all, I'm ashamed that my country's state of affairs are so bad that it let a MONSTER named Donald Trump in as its president. I'm ashamed of people like you, sitting here, making nothing but partisan-based arguments to me, pointing fingers, playing a blame game like a child--not even seeming to care just how screwed up BOTH sides of our government are. You either lack the mental capacity to understand it or you're an immature, petulant child who sees things one way and nothing else.
There is blame on both sides. Regardless of it all, Donald Trump has not, is not and never will be the answer to any of it.
Regardless of my personal feelings toward the way Nancy has handled some things, I have nothing but support for the way she's handling this impeachment.
Indoctrinated much, Fredo? What else is new?🤪
The impeachment was a loss right out the gate. It was never going to go any other way.
A loss right out of the gate, yet you support the waste of time, effort and taxpayer dollars in doing so. Typical. 🤪
That's not the point. The point is to hold elected officials accountable. The point is that no president can just freely break laws that go unanswered.
I don't hear you bitching and moaning about Biden asking for a quid pro quo. I don't hear you bitch and moaning about Obama bypassing an entire branch of government to enact policy via executive order. Hypocrite much?
The point is to show that donald did something wrong. Impeaching him on just the Russia stuff would have been wrong. There was nothing there. This Ukraine deal was wrong regardless of what guilt Biden does or does not have. Period.
Regardless? You just admitted to a DOUBLE STANDARD. It's all about Orange Man Bad.
You're not too smart, are you Fredo?🤪
I have no excuse to make for Pelosi when the impeachment inevitably fails. She admitted in the beginning that she knows how this will end for the impeachment. She admitted from the beginning what the true purposes of it were. I have no excuse to make as she already made those excuses herself.
Then again, as the leader of the democratic party, she could've LED them to the best possible with the least amount of risk and just asked for censure, rather than impeachment. However, she caved and got bullied by her own constituents. Tough leader, ain't she?🤪 share
And, if this causes donald's election to become MORE likely rather than less likely, then I will hold Pelosi and the other dems accountable for not impeaching Trump on more than just this Ukraine deal. I already hold them accountable for not making sure Trump's tax return situation was resolved for opening this impeachment. They needed more meat for sure.
Pelosi didn't have to rush the process, yet she did. Why? Have you ever asked yourself that question? She could've asked the court to order the subpoenas of the witnesses you komrades, keep asking for, but she didn't want to wait. You think she knew what the answer would've been? No articles for extortion or bribery, which they have been saying constantly.
But, you know what? Regardless of it all, impeachment was necessary. Donald was wrong.
It's not about the facts, Orange Man Bad is all that matters, yes?🤪🤪
No matter how many dems are wrong for what--it doesn't diminish donald's guilt. You're in this for partisanship and nothing more.
And you're not with a statement like this? Double standard much? Dunce much? Ignorant much? Idiot much? Then again, it's you Fredo.🤪🤪🤪
Every post you make just reeks of it. I'm ashamed of my government and my country. I'm ashamed of both parties. And, most of all, I'm ashamed that my country's state of affairs are so bad that it let a MONSTER named Donald Trump in as its president. I'm ashamed of people like you, sitting here, making nothing but partisan-based arguments to me, pointing fingers, playing a blame game like a child--not even seeming to care just how screwed up BOTH sides of our government are. You either lack the mental capacity to understand it or you're an immature, petulant child who sees things one way and nothing else.
Move to Venezuela.🤪🤪🤪
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superb post...
shareNot fixated - obsessed.
shareI wouldn't talk like that...as democrats learned in 2016, pride cometh before the fall.
sharePrecisely. History is repeating itself, only now it's the opposite: Trumpers being the overly-confident ones while the dems are being the cautious/hopeful ones.
shareTrump has a passionate base like no other, and Americans are pissed that this hoax impeachment happened. They aren't gonna sit home. Trump doesn't have Bernie Bros. like Hillary has that wouldn't vote for her out of spite that she cheated him.
shareOh, we all know how "passionate" donald's base is. But they also galvanized those who didn't move in 2016 to not make that mistake again.
I won't even comment on the "hoax" nonsense.
As for "Americans are pissed". Yes, they are--less than half, that is. The other majority half is happy with it.
The republicans lost the House and only retained the Senate. Trump's "passionate" base is not some majority no matter how hard you attempt to advertise it. The tide is shifting and it could go either way in 2020.
My point stands: Don't be overly-confident. Dems made that mistake. Trumpers are making it now.
However, Trump is a very charismatic 'superstar' type of Politician. Biden actually has no personality whatsoever. If Biden is the candidate, that's a HUGE handicap for the Democrats. Who can get excited over Biden? People who just think 'Well, I'll vote for him so the other guy won't get in' aren't really that committed.
BTW Their other choices aren't any better at all.
When you bring nothing but "vote for me because you don't want the other guy to get in" your campaign isn't going anywhere. That is the all the left has going into 2020. You aren't going to beat Trump with that, especially after his strong track record of success during his first term. Biden is probably their best bet though; republicans, independents, or really anyone with a brain in their head isn't going to vote for the other socialists.
shareWhat you consider "charisma" is a sickness that appeals to a substrata of dangerous people. People who want to live in a world where DJT is in charge don't belong with modern civilization. He's a loose cannon making proclamations he doesn't even have convictions about but simply wants to roil the waters of partisanship and boorishness. It feeds his insecurity, and his followers lap it up like dogs in the street.
share"The republicans lost the House and only retained the Senate."
ONLY retained the Senate?! The Senate is WAY more important!
Historically speaking, the President's party performs poorly in midterms, no matter Republican or Democrat.
In fact, Democrats lost 6 seats in the Senate and lost 63 seats in the House under Obama in 2010.
Republicans gained 2 seats in the Senate and lost 41 in the House under Trump in 2018.
You are probably unaware of this since the MSM didn't want to speak of this except for to exaggerate the "huge loss" under President Trump without mentioning the seats Obama (the media's savior) lost in comparison. It actually turned out quite positive for President Trump.
And you don't need to remind me that you were never an Obama supporter. I was just giving an example.