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It was actually well-planned. The problem was Tom getting greedy thus making them fall behind schedule which is the reason for the entire mess. Had they gone according to plan they wouldn't have had to deal with Lorea's guys slowing them down and potentially being hit. Taking in more money meant more weight for the helicopter that caused the crash and everything else that happened afterwards. In a way it's fitting that Tom is the only one who died since he was pretty much responsible for the heist going wrong and putting everyone at risk.
It's still a better option than if he did nothing. He cleared his name, exposed the perpetrators and did not lose his wife which is the entire reason why he did what he did. He may do some time for what he did but I'm pretty sure he would have peace of mind that he would sooner or later go back to living his life with his wife instead of most probably getting a divorce and doing more time in jail on top of living the rest of his life as a false traitor/killer who could never go back to his old job. Also he didn't "turn half of Chicago into a battlefield". Most of it happened inside a federal building and the ending inside a house so no civilians other than the hostages were in danger.
I had the same feeling after Dead City (which I gave up after the 3rd episode) but Daryl is much better. I wish they only continued TWD universe with this show as it brings something original and new instead of DC which just looks like a budget version of TWD.
Watched the first episode of Daryl Dixon and it's like prime TWD compared to Dead City. You feel the sense of danger and unknown territory again. The new setting gives it a fresh and original look. All the supporting characters/villains are also interesting and a nice change from what we're used to. Excellent so far. Looking forward to the rest of the series.
It sucks. I didn't expect much but I thought the different location would at least make up for it but no it's even worse than S10 of TWD. I actually enjoyed S11 and thought it was at least entertaining but this is just incredibly mundane and unoriginal. This really feels like they are milking it for all it's worth and figured die hard TWD fans will be watching regardless. I still haven't watched the Daryl one (which seems more interesting) but if it's anything like Dead City with nothing new to offer than I'm out for good (won't bother with the other spin off).
I will accept the fairytale interpretation but I still feel like it wasn't well executed. To create an alternate history where Sharon lives would be to simply not have the Manson cult in the movie or include them in the movie but have their plan diverted and not see them breaking and entering into a famous actor's house and attempt murder as it just sits to close to the reality of what truly happened.
<blockquote>There are several Manson/Tate connections</blockquote>
I must have missed the connections but what I am referring to mainly is what obviously happened in reality and the changes Tarantino decided to make to alter history and therefore not connect Tate's ultimate fate at the hands of the Manson cult.
To Capuchin,
A tribute to Sharon Tate is completely understandable but if you want her to be remembered for her potential rather than her murder, the best thing you can do is to not involve Manson. This is a case of wanting your cake and eating it too on Tarantino's part. He wanted to celebrate her life but at the same time also have the Manson cult around because they are part of her story but not connect them with the reality of what happened. It's just an impossible thing to do unless you recreate historical events in which case it doesn't pay tribute but rather exploits the situation to create an alternate reality.
Thank you for that explanation of the third act. I guess the symbolism went right over my head as I felt it was too over-the-top. My main problem with it (which I also address in another thread about the Manson plot) is involving fictious characters with real life people. If the movie was a character study on an aging actor and his stuntman it didn't make sense to have them interact with characters that aren't fictional. You don't need to change history to make a point. It just felt forced on Tarantino's part as he wasn't sure if he wanted to make a character study or a tribute to 60's Hollywood and decided to do both at the same time. It just didn't really sit right with me.
Ok. I still think it didn't make sense to have her in the movie as well as the Manson gang and not even connect them. I sympathize with her sister's concern but in the case of not wanting to exploit the situation why even have her in the movie? A brief scene with her would have been fine but making her a somewhat important character and changing historical events felt exploitative IMO.
<blockquote>I enjoyed the development and changes the characters underwent, though the main thrust of the film isn't so much how they changed, but how they related to one another, and how they were, or were not, able to fit into a world that had changed around them.</blockquote>
I get that's what Tarantino was going for but I didn't get that feeling from the third act. If the point was to show how Hollywood was changing and Dalton had to either adapt to the new changes or his career was over this was all done in the first two acts. The final act was a complete mess IMO and was just Tarantino doing revisionist history while delivering gratuitous violence to appeal to a certain audience.
I have been doing a rewatch after seeing season 11 which put me in the mood to watch the old episodes again. It's made me appreciate the first few seasons (especially the first 2) more comparatively and it's interesting to see the characters in their early stages before they became "heroes" sort of when they were just trying to figure out how to navigate the "new world". Some things I have forgotten and others I was anticipating to watch again (mostly the episodes leading up to the arrival of Negan and the infamous first episode of season 7). After season 7 it gets a bit tedious, I'd say. Season 8 is pretty good and the first half of S9. After Rick's departure, the show really started to suffer. Season 10 is really the low point of the series with the exception of the last episode (Here's Negan) which is ironically one of the best episodes of the show following arguably the worst episode of the entire series.
The problem is how do you sling it around the pole from the platform they were standing on? They both would have to be standing beneath it in order to wrap it around and that was just physically impossible.
It really did a good job of making you feel like you were up there with them. What I liked about it is that the majority of the movie takes place up there and you constantly feel it until the very end on top of wondering if they'll ever be able to get down. Most movies like this have moments of relief before the main characters have to overcome another challenge/obstacle but in this one the tension never stops.
Well, the movie was about facing your fears and appreciating life again so it makes sense to have Becky be the protagonist. Hunter was the driving force for Becky to motivate her to change her outlook on life. Had the twist been Hunter surviving it would have been a tragedy rather than a movie about hope. Even taking this into consideration, the movie doesn't pretend that Becky was more heroic than Hunter. Without Hunter, Becky might have never changed and continued to drown in her sorrows so you could see it as Hunter sacrificing her life to save Becky (even if it's unintentional) and that can be seen as heroic.
I think the difference here is the height. The tower would likely have been the highest peak she's ever climbed at that point on top of everything she went through I think, at the very least, mentally (if not also physically) would be more challenging than what she had done previously.
Maybe an unpopular opinion but it seemed a little far fetched that someone like Carol would become one of the strongest characters on the show when in the first season she was shown to be a pretty weak and dependent person. She had to rely on Daryl to protect her and help her find her daughter whereas in the later seasons she was very independent and fearless. Her change didn't really seem very realistic IMO. I think Andrea and Daryl would have been a better and more realistic team.
No. Daryl mentions in the last episode that the problem with the Commonwealth was exactly that they wanted to recreate the old world (with all the old problems of greed, power and corruption) and that they had to move on from that and create a new world.
Well my opinion is that there was no vision. The movie makes it nuanced enough to either think she saw something or she was hallucinating or neither of those. It's left to interpretation but based on the actions of the cult leader (Mademoiselle) at the end I lean more towards that even if she saw something she lied to her in order to end the cult. She could have seen the afterlife for all we know but told her that she saw that there was nothing to prevent future potential young girls from becoming "martyrs".