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If anyone wants to read it now:
https://web.archive.org/web/20170425095352/http://moveablefest.com/moveable_fest/2016/10/rebecca-hall-craig-shilowich-christine.html
I never saw this or knew it existed back in the day it was released.
My favorite part is where they go to the country club. James Spader was hilarious throughout, "There's a certain Je ne sais quoi..."
Thing is, I haven't seen anything where this really happened, terrible if it did. What a let-down.
I think some of those actions were because she didn't want people to think it really bothered her, so she made a joke out of it with that high school club and then the later barriers as a defense mechanism. But then at times she'd stress about her situation to others.
But I started to read that Sally Quinn article and one person, I think it was Andrea, the person she was closest to outside family but also involved with her love interest, thought she was very self-centered. However, the lack of any intimate relationships outside her family can cause one to continue to look inward. Like her mom said, it seemed like she did reach out to people, asking if they'd like to go out for coffee, and get turned down, friends or romantic prospects. Pretty sad. I don't think she had any real friends either.
It seemed like they started to like her when she gave herself a "going away" party, that guests didn't realize until after. They said they saw a light side to her and maybe friendships would have developed if she continued to behave in this manner. But her lightness was because she had an end in mind.
Perhaps a lesson to learn is no matter what you feel, if you're lonely, don't mope and show it and don't turn away others in defense. If you're rejected, just try again with others, after you develop an acquaintance. People don't like to be around sad and angry people.
That's funny, the most enjoyable songs in this movie for me are by the Plimsouls and one of the Sparks songs.
Walter Keane knew he could not paint a Big Eyes painting in public, so he did the smartest thing he could do when "painted" into a corner. Don't even try. Better to not try at all than to remove all doubt. Apparently he was challenged twice, one public in which he did not show up, and the second was in the court room.
The fact he was smart enough to not try to paint in public or even never painted anything after the court case was over is proven by comments here, with some actually believing his or his daughter's story. He wouldn't dare lift a brush to prove he couldn't at any point after he lost his hidden painter.
No, I don't believe his daughter.
I do give credit to his marketing of his wife's work and very doubtful that level of fame wouldn't have been achieved without him. That's all.
I like those, plus, La Carcacha and Bidi Bidi Bom Bom. I guess the most popular, but they are very catchy and have interesting music and rhythm.
I can't say I care for the English songs she started recording, very boring sounding for the most part for me and I do like ballads but not those.
Agree, birthday, not death, and they shouldn't use the term "celebrate" for the death anniversary.
I just recently saw the movie for the first time, although I'm practically Selena's age if she were living, but I was looking around, watching a couple interviews with her siblings. Her sister had said how humble Selena really was. I think they were a very close family, supportive of each other, doesn't seem to be any jealousy between them, and Selena was concerned with being a good role model for children as she had acknowledged many of her fans were so, so no explicit lyrics. I think the parents also had a big impact on their moral codes.
I also saw some live performances. I, too, think she was the total package, her voice was really incredible. I don't know if she had any formal training to get there or just naturally gifted. She talked in the movie how she didn't exercise and ate a lot of pizza, but I don't think she realized how much exercise she got with all that dancing combined with her young age's metabolism.
I will say, the style of the English album songs is not my taste at all, seems like the bland generic love songs, but right in line for what got a lot of radio play. I think their Tejano music is more interesting and fun, at least some of the popular songs.
Agreed that her national fame came after her death, but I don't think she is overrated at all. She had a phenomenal voice, and if you watch her live performances, she has no off-key moments and I think is as good as Whitney Houston on delivery. Seems to be a very energetic entertainer.
I think she was on the cusp of national fame when she was killed, what with starting to record the English crossover album. I think she was more regionally known. Tejano music is based in Texas, and I'm sure she her popularity, and in parts of Mexico, is because of the frequent traffic between Texas and Mexico, bringing the music with them.
She couldn't have won a Grammy and drew those kinds of crowds if she was overrated.
What area of the country were you then?
I watched this again after many years last night and I thought the same about how Jake led them all there, but it all comes down to that idiot at the end. Escobar was precisely shooting at Evelyn's tires to stop her, gets held back, but then that idiot takes over and starts shooting indiscriminately willy nilly, not really aiming, and rapid fire. That is why she got hit. The blame ain't Chinatown as far as I'm concerned.
It did make me wonder if they wanted to bury it but I hadn't tied it in with the scientology.
Well, thank you for finding that!
This part annoyed me, you are right, it was her responsibility. She didn't verify who he was, period.
I saw this on the Roku yesterday, and read in the trivia that the initial concept was a remake of Risky Business. I'm glad they developed their own story, although still many similarities. I like both movies on their own.
https://www.amazon.com/Life-After-Bestselling-Investigation-Experiences/dp/006242890X
https://www.amazon.com/Hello-Heaven-Research-After-Death-Communication-Confirms/dp/0553576348
I saw not only that, but two bottle facilities are going out of business because Budweiser was their client.
Many workers out of a job and that CEO is still blind as a bat and determined to stay the course as far as I know.
Did anyone see his latest interview?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKcEgAUCOGw
Do you really think an old woman getting lucky because the perpetrator is a snot nosed kid is promising that every intruder would be the same to deal with? Also, sounds like she got beat up pretty bad. Maybe you should read more newspapers, there's some pretty horrific criminals out there that no "snack" is going to distract and placate.
Good luck to you.
I tend to agree with this because he was crazy about and desiring of Bobbie Lee before he was molested or taken advantage of. Someone also brought up the point that naturally any stimulation would cause physical arousal, whether he wanted it or not. We don't know what happened in the encounter but that was very low of his boss to mess up his young employee.
I think he was traumatized by the whole thing, no wonder he couldn't do what he wanted to just a few days earlier with Bobbie.
I watched this on youtube yesterday, read on this board, then watched again, for these "clues".
I did not see a single clue that his boss was giving Billy Joe looks or anything that indicates his lust.
The other thing, Billy Joe not being attracted to or turning down skanks or prostitutes is not unusual. And another thing, just saw Cold Mountain the other day, Inman was propositioned by a bunch of loose women in that house. One really was ready for him, bare end and all, and he was turning her down before he was arrested. You might know the scene. But basically, he only desired Ava and the sleeze was a turn-off.
Anyway, it would be interesting if there was information out there with the screenwriter's original intent on the Billy Joe character because I think it is not clear at all that he was gay to begin with or even after for that matter.
I remember my father and I waiting in the car for my mother and this song came on. After a while of listening, my dad remarked how he sounds like he's straining on the pot. Then he started mocking along, gritting his teeth on the end line, "You take my breath away(eeee), and I don't know what to say (eeee)"
I must have missed this movie at the time, but had gotten the books via Scholastic back in middle school.
Which came first, the books or the movie? I wonder if they were going to do a Waiting Games movie but how can they show a 14 year old losing her virginity?
I didn't know there was a third book until today. Apparently, it came many years later, way past my time.