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Do you have a personal story to back up everything you say on these boards? Because you seem to argue a lot and always have a fucked up example of someone you knew or something you went through in your life to back up your statements. Also, you seem like you have had plenty different careers. I'm not calling bullshit on what you say, I just think it's a bit inconsistent at times.
As for an opposite example, for me the prime example is the movie Trainspotting. I don't like the movie and yeah, I know, this is a quite unpopular opinion. Most people I know tell me that they see a great exploration of themes like redemption, success, social prejudices, lack of social support for drug addicts, etc. Yeah, I'm not blind neither, it is there... on some form. Nevertheless, the message really doesn't reach me because:
1) I didn't feel any compassion for the heroin-addicts, I actually simply felt like they were all a waste of oxygene, so, I didn't root for them. In that respect, Requiem for a Dream did a well better job because the dramatic (I'd even say tragic tone) of the movie made a real effect on me at the end and I felt sorry for some characters (not all). Maybe the more comic approach in Trainspotting ruined it for me.
2) I know it is a satire and a dark comedy. Don't get me wrong, I love less conventional comedies which deal with more serious subject matter. I just didn't feel that it was the appropriate tone for THIS movie.
3) I personally thought it was kind of ''bad taste''. I don't think that drug addiction is a laughing matter, but that's just me.
Bottom line, the interpration of a book, movie, stage-play or lyrics from a song lays in the eyes of the beholder. And by the way, I personally prefer The Dark Knight over Joker... even though I think that Joker is, objectively, a way better crafted, more experimental and, overall, stronger movie than The Dark Knight. Considering all this, I don't blame people who really didn't see that much in Joker, I just know that I absolutely loved it. It had been a long time (when I went to see it in theater) that I didn't leave the movie theater being like ''WOW! that was awesome''. It's dark, depressing, without comic relief and it really took a new approach to the Batman universe.
While I agree with you guys about the fact that Joker has many things to say and seem to make many criticism about society, and I find it kind of odd that Ramcha didn't see any messages there but, however, have seen the message in that one The Dark Knight scene... We can't say that he is wrong because everyone sees movies from a personal lense. Here where I live, there is a good saying (it's in French because I'm living in a French speaking area): ''L'oeuvre n'appartient plus à l'auteur à partir du moment où il l'a rend accessible au public'' (or something in that order, I don't remember the exact phrasing). Which literally translates to: ''An artwork stops belonging to the author from the moment he makes it available to the public (or rather, publishes-release it)''. All that means is that even the vision that the author had while writing it isn't so relevant anymore because everyone will makes his own interpretation.
I've seen movies which talked a lot to me, while most people I know who have seen them are like ''what the hell? stop seeing what's not there''; vice versa, there are movies that seem to speak a lot to most people, while they really don't have much significance to me.
A good personal example is Cannibal Holocaust. Most people seem to only see it as a gore-fest (not saying it isn't because it is) which only only rely on shock value by showing disturbing and disgusting sequences, which are getting worse and worse throughout the movie. Yes, there is that. However, I see a message behind all this: it's a criticism of the modern society, more precisely, the modern man. The way it depicted the film crew clearly showed that these people really thought that they are the center of the universe and that only they mattered. It's a lot like humankind (especially civilized people) tend to be, thinking that he is on the top of the world. I can't blame people for not seeing it, because the ''savages'' are not exactly sweet neither.
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