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You're welcome :-)
If you can do streaming, I have seen the show on both tubi and the Roku app. Plus, there's at least one Youtube channel which shows full episodes. You just need to see the episode guide to know where they all fall in each season. IMDb has a good guide: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058815/episodes/?ref_=tt_ov_epl
Jeannie has the ability to make people forget.
There are two scenes in the first season from <i>My Hero?</i> and <i>The Richest Astronaut in the Whole Wide World</i>. In "My Hero?" Roger discovers Tony trapped in the concrete of his patio after Jeannie blinked out the swimming pool. When she returns, she freezes Roger, rescues Tony, and he complains he'll never be able to explain what happened. When Jeannie blinks out, Roger has forgotten what happened just as Jeannie had assured Tony.
In "Richest Astronaut" at the end after Tony has gotten Roger in trouble with the general and Dr. Bellows, he agrees to give Jeannie back. She then "changes time" so that everything he had wished up to that moment was erased from existence, including the memories of people who learned about it all. Tony explains it as her ability to "change time".
I think near the end of "Jeannie the Guru" Tony asks her to make Susie forget she ever met Jeannie, but we don't get to see that happen as he's interrupted by Susie arriving with her newest BF, a motorcycle biker.
The show should have had a 'show bible' so that all of these discrepancies never too place. But, that just wasn't a thing back then for any show. That kind of focus on continuity didn't happen until much later, like in the 1980s or so. The IDoJ reunion movies still broke canon, so they certainly weren't worried about continuity even then.
Much as I agree with your assessment, this thread was created to troll the fans. This whole sub-forum seems infested with them. Better to show up at the sitcoms-online forum where the trolls often get shown the door. MovieChat doesn't have much in the way of moderation.
I Dream of Jeannie on "Sitcoms Online":
https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/forumdisplay.php?f=74
I haven't heard or read anything about that. What's your source?
There was no indication that he was gay. Babu was voiced by Joe Besser, one of the six 3 Stooges (because there were six actors over the course of their existence as a comedy team).
He <i>was</i> green in skin color, though.
Roger even states in one of the episodes (can't remember which one, but it was well after the first season) that he is "on detached duty to NASA." He's also a member of the Army Corp of Engineers, and why he wears green army colors and not the blue Air Force colors :)
Since I don't really acknowledge Bewitched anymore, I would say I Dream of Jeannie was better. It is at least based on known folktales of powerful magical beings called djinn. There are no stories or folktales with witches and warlocks coming anywhere close to what is depicted in Bewitched.
I Dream of Jeannie has an actual historical connection to the ancient stories making it much better in my view.
I've tried arguing that point with various people. But their minds are closed to different views. The only thing they see is a human with magic powers, and not a magical entity which only [i]appears[/i] human.
I'm holding off pre-ordering until I know if the resolution is actually better than that of the DVDs. If it isn't, I won't have any good reason to buy the whole series yet again.
Maybe you could make some screenshots at the same resolution (like 1333x1000 pixels) for comparison? That would be most helpful :-)
Thanks :-)
<i>I Dream of Jeannie</i> got me more interested in the stories of the Arabian Nights, so I started reading them, and was pleasantly surprised. Plus, if you ever read the story of "Aladdin and the Wonderful Lamp" you'll see all of the stuff in that original story that Disney either got wrong, or made up, or left out entirely (such as the Djinni of the Ring).
Wishmaster is the depiction of a either an afarit or a ghoul (which is not undead as defined in European myth/lore). Read more stories from the time period. I suggest starting with the book "Arab Folktales" by Inea Bushnaq. She explains that many of the stories she collected for that book date back more than 2,500 years.
I also recommend looking up the book "Encyclopedia of Spirits" by Judika Illes. It is an excellent source and details all of the different kinds of djinn, including afarit, Aisha Qandisha, bori, Lalla Malika (and the others with the Lalla title), and so much more. Once you look up the entry on Djinn, you'll see these examples for further research.
As mentioned, a ghoul (or an afarit) is the kind of djinni in the movie (which you should not use as a scholarly source, unless it were a documentary). The definition of them (from the Encyclopedia of Spirits) is, "a lower order of extremely malicious Djinn. They are murderous, treacherous, voracious spirits who will kill and devour humans..." The definition of an afarit (same source) is "a type of malevolent spirit. True Afarit are primordial fire spirits who existed on Earth thousands of years before people..."
Many of the other types are 'volatile' but that doesn't mean malicious. Personally, I would place Jeannie on the order of Lalla Mkouna Bent Mkoun. To wit, "Lalla Mkouna is the benevolent Djinn who serves as guardian of the hearth and by extension, guardian of the home."
There are many more than I can describe here, so find a library :-)
All of that would be true for a human woman in the same situation. But, as the example is about Samantha's life with Darrin, none of it applies. She's a witch! The magical people like her (witches, warlocks, maybe also the leprechauns and fairies which sometimes showed up in the series) don't live on Earth, other than to visit it. They live in the Cosmic Continuum, and last I checked, there was no such place or realm on the surface of this planet.
As such, none of your example applies. We don't know what divorce rules their kind has, but if you've ever watched (and paid attention) to the 'reality' put forth, Endora and Maurice are Samantha's parents, yet don't live together anymore. Are they divorced? We don't know. But they <i>are</i> separated. Samantha could have just left Darrin and no human law of society would have any hold over her.
Do you mean that you thought by the title alone that the show was about someone dreaming of someone else named Jeannie?
The title is actually a play on an even older song and movie ("I Dream of Jeannie"). Because the title character is named Jeannie and she is a djinni, it becomes more of a play on that old title because djinn aren't supposed to exist, and her form is like a dream to Tony :-)
Yes, the only human-female djinn/genies we see are Jeannie and her immediate family. But, in the episode "My Master, the Rainmaker" when Tony is convincing her to visit her family, she mentions her "little baby sister."
Of course, we don't truly know if that is the mean-sister who shows up later (which wouldn't make any sense to the introduction of her in the context of the episode "Jeannie or the Tiger") or a never-seen sister. The women who wrote a large amount of fanfic for the show and went by "The Jeannie Sisters" assumed that it was a younger sister of Jeannie's based on the Rainmaker episode. Mean-Jeannie was assumed to be her older sister.
I'm currently going through some of the episodes (first checking through episode-titles) to see what other djinn there are, whether of her family or not. It's going to take a while, so I'll make it a separate post. But here's what seems to be the first instance of a genie-family member of Jeannie's:
Aunt Fatima - seen as a goldfish at the beginning of "Whatever Became of Baby Custer?"
I actually enjoyed the cartoon, called simply, "Jeannie" and remember watching it when it first aired. It wasn't a knock-off as it was produced by Hanna-Barbera in association with Screen Gems, the parent production studio of <i>I Dream of Jeannie</i> at the time. Here's a quote from a page which has more info than I can type up here:
According to IMDb, the Hanna-Barbera show <i>The New Scooby-Doo Movies</i> had gone over budget due to its number of guest stars, leaving the studio without enough money to afford the original I Dream of Jeannie cast for the cartoon spin-off. Instead, Barbara Eden was replaced by Julie McWhirter as the voice of Jeannie. Mark Hamill provides the voice for Corey, in his first voice-acting job.[12] [13] Along with voicing the character, he sings the theme music.
<i>from this site:</i> https://everything.explained.today/Jeannie_(TV_series)/
For the entirety of the 1st season, that's correct. They only time that rule was ignored was when she wore her 'djinni-pajamas' which only happened a couple of times (episodes #13 "Russian Roulette", and #27 "My Master, the Thief"). They began changing that 'rule' in later seasons.
Episode #23, "Watch the Birdie", is good example of this rule. When Tony drops a golf-tee into her bottle and asks her to get it for him, she's in her 'civvies' (a skirt, shirt, and sweater) and 'modern' hairstyle. But when she's inside of the bottle (with the over-sized golf-tee in her hands) she's back in her harem clothing and djinni-hairstyle.
Maybe it was also the act of turning into smoke which changed her clothing and hairstyle. Because in looking through the episodes, I remembered in #09 "The Moving Finger" that Jeannie is wearing a dress and matching coat she had blinked on before she smokes into her bottle at Tony's command. When she then smokes into the envelope to mail herself to his hotel in Hollywood, she smokes out of it in her harem clothing again.
While I generally like the colorized episodes (I watch both versions) they didn't do very good research into the colors of the various outfits. The pilot episode has her in the regular red & pink set, as well as a used-once-only orange outfit (there are images of it online if you search). Episode #02, My Hero, introduced the green open-vest outfit, and the colorizing company had their artists color both sets pink. They aren't even red & pink like the original outfit, just light-pink and more pink in darker shades.
I'll have a look/listen. I'm glad that site has all of those interviews available. My favorite so far has been the multi-parter with Joe Straczynski (creator of Babylon 5) :-)
What was it like meeting Bill? He's done a lot of good comedy :-)
No problem, <i>because</i> I do like the show. And thus, <i>your</i> problem, it appears. But, I'm off to discuss the show with folks who actually want a discussion instead of a sparring match.
You're right on all points. Plus, we're talking of a show that takes something normally not considered reality and thrusting it into known reality, or that of a NASA astronaut of the 1960s. The "fish out of water" concept.
Another reason why Dr. Bellows was probably kept from knowing was that for storytelling. It was best to keep her secret only known to those who most intimately knew Jeannie, Tony and Roger. The few other humans who ever met her or suspected about her powers were probably made to forget those instances at Tony's insistence.
What would have been nice to have seen at least a few times were the parents of Abdullah as one was her brother, and his wife was presumed to be another djinni. We never saw the real "Cousin Mirrilla" or the re-imagined father of Jeannie. We learned that her parents had been married for over 5,000 but only ever saw Barbara Eden playing her mother. There was also some hint of a younger sister who again remained nameless and unseen.
Not that the show needed to introduce all of her family, only that it would have been nice to see other djinn than Hadji, the reverend, Cousin Hamid (I think that was his name, from <i>Please Don't Feed the Astronauts</i> ) and her two uncles. It seems like, other than her mother, all the rest of the djinn ever revealed were all male.