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Even if so, the movie barely even touched on sexuality, so why is this an issue?
Because Arthur imagined the things he wished were true, he imagined everything?
No.
We were shown what was imagined.
Was he imagining the footprints he left behind at the end? That he didn't even see?
No... that was blood from the shrink he just killed... killed her gruesomely enough, tht there was so much blood on the floor he stood in and tracked it down the hall.
Only heard this term "incel" a couple days ago...
Is that what it means?... Involuntary celibacy?
Monks and such have done this for centuries.... hardly a valid "made him crazy" argument.
Also, the movie didn't, almost at all, focus on sex.
Even in his imagination, when he walked into her apartment and embraced... there was never any focus on sexuality or even loneliness.
People (some) will find something where nothing is there.
Love that it makes people think this way.... myself as well...
But I think they made it clear, the delusions were pointed out (in film), the being in the audience on DeNiro's show... the relationship with his neighbor...
Everything else, I think was true what we saw.
Else... why point out a couple delusions and leave out others?
If I wanna see Batwoman, Ill watch OITNB a couple seasons back.
Never trust someone who gets paid for an opinion.
In this or anything else.
What is it with you and Lorenzos Oil?
Forever about that.
Youre giving me diabetes!!!!
Gotta remember, he only just (fully) became the Joker around the time of his dance down the stairs.
Afraid to many people comparing him to a fully realized Joker, some months or years later.
Incidently, he likely killed his neighbor and that shrink (who wouldn't get the joke that killing her was funny).
That was well explained, very well thought out, and completely tin-foil hat time.
The only things 'imagined' in the movie were...
His fantasy relationship with his neighbor, his being in the audience on DeNiro's show, and (maybe) his victory dance on top of the wrecked cop car.
Its a tough question.
Phoenix was really only "full" Joker for the finale (once he got in full makeup and started dancing down the stairs).
Call it an unfair tie.
Or did you mean fictional names for the Joker?
Jack Napier
Arthur Fleck
Don't know the others given names.
Uh...
Caesar Romero (Batman show in the 60s)
Jack Nicholson
Heath Ledger
Mark Hamill
Joaquin Phoenix
I miss anyone?
I think (from what you said) you can only appreciate popcorn/video game movies.
Which is sad...
I hope you are very young, so you have a chance to appreciate art in more then one form one day.
Exorcist took place in Georgetown, not New York.
"The hardest part of having a mental illness is, people expect you to act as if you don't" - Arthur Fleck
He was already barely holding on to sanity with his 7 different meds. Once those were gone, Fleck was mostly gone.
Don't try to apply rational reasons for anything he did once he went full Joker.
He was operating on a different kind of mind once that happened.
He killed his quasi-friend (horrific and brutally) because he kind of annoyed him.
He likely killed his neighbor and probably her daughter.
And the very end suggested he killed that counselor (bloody footprints) because he found it a funny joke that she (obviously) wouldn't get.
Life (anyone's including his own) were meaningless to him.
"Does it matter if you take me back to the asylum, if it doesn't matter to me?" - Joker (Killing Joke)
Its a mental institution for the criminally insane... of course the windows have bars.
Have you ever visited a prison or jail? No such things as windows without bars.
He was trying to be "normal" to the guy with his mother's file.
"I feel ya brother"... "I did some bad shit" and the joking like comments he made.
Its like comparing great baseball players from different eras... Ruth vs. Aaron etc...
Though only a decade or so apart, Ledger and Phoenix's Jokers were very different acting jobs.
As some have mentioned... Ledger's was already fully formed and he did a great job.
Phoenix shows how a (barely) sane loser slowly turns into a diabolical madman that became Ledger's Joker.
Also, Clockwork Orange, Fight Club, The Killing Joke (though that one is easy to surmise).
"One bad day... that's all takes for the rest of Gotham to become me... one bad day" - Joker (the Killing Joke).
^^ This.
With such similarities to King of Comedy and Taxi Driver... Deniro was perfect for that role.