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I think it is more WB/DC stubbornness on not hearing the long time fans. When people protested and complained about brooding, EMO, crybaby, murderer, dark Superman with the crappy MOS, they decided to ignore us. That's clearly not what people was expecting. Even if the usual defenders come here now to say how magnificent MOS was, the reality is that this debacle started with that movie. What did WB/DC do with fan's opinion? They passed it through their groins and ignored us. Then double down with BvS (AKA The Martha's Chronicles). When they eased the tone (and the color pallet) with WW and Aquaman, it was too late. The Justice League was the last nail in the coffin, everything else after that was just echo...
Really? I don't need to even go outside this very site:
https://moviechat.org/tt5971474/The-Little-Mermaid/647dd88cf227251e479fb52a/Already-grossed-more-than-the-1989-original
The fact that even Deadline hasn't put an article about the 'big' accomplishment says a lot, really a lot...
They put an article the day Spiderverse did it (500M), even when the numbers weren't official at the moment of the article. The noisy silence about this is baffling...
Can you say it again, but without crying this time?
Nah! After 10 years (actually I think is more than that. When was MOS released? That's when this series of bad film started?) of them, I'm kinda used to these meltdowns. To me they are as dull as the movie.
Well, the crazy Nolanites and other hateful DC fans (I am not saying all of them are like this) have been so hardly humbled by the latest crappy performance of this universe movies, in a way that they no longer have the spirit to fight back.
For the more than evident flop of the Little Mermaid, you need to understand that these woke individuals who try to defend the crappy performance of a movie that should have been giving The Lion King a run for his money, these woke are defending it with the same arguments they use to defend their ideologies, those full of delusion, victimism, ignorance and hate. The fact that they come here to defend the box office of TLM without having an ounce of idea on how the Box Office and the Movie business work, makes everyone laugh at them. Things like celebrating that woke TLM passed de original animation (ignoring the original is from 1989 and the inflation) or claiming it as a success because it passed the 250M of production cost while ignoring the 140M of marketing, while thinking the studio gets the whole amount of the ticket sales. Who can take this people seriously any longer?
I don't know, we can do the numbers. Your "If they get half of the gross receipts" is worst case scenario for the box office of this movie. To help those who defend this movie, I would use the 2.5x of the production cost (again, the best case scenario, since it is established that it could be between 2.5x to 3.0x of production cost). Even then, adding all the streaming, digital, merchandise, Disney paying themselves for the streaming, beggars money on the street and all help you want to include, this is a very close call for this movie to have 'decent profit'.
However, I think we all here know the movie will be a 'Box Office' flop (failure, if yo don't like the term). Imagine they need 2.5x production cost, that's 625M, which the movie wont be near at the end. All this is best case scenario. Then, by using your method, the movie would need even more, 780M, to get even, since you said they would take half of the gross profit to cover production cost plus marketing, and that is 250M + 140M (marketing). So, following your line of thought, when the movie fails to get to 600M dollars in box office, they will need over 100M dollars to cover for the rest of the 390M that the movie cost (production + marketing).
Regarding 'decent profit' we can make another long boring thread about it, but to make it short, 20 or 30 Million dollars is not decent profit for an inversion of 390M over a 3 years span.
Exactly! Hasn't he declared himself to be non-binary and made fake charades dressed as a women, he would have been rotting himself in jail, not for his behavior, but for being a white privileged white men, another oppressor of the patriarchy. But since he is now from an oppressed and victimized minority, he can get away with whatever ill behavior he wants, and just get a little slap in the wrist, God forbid the legal system to oppress and discriminate him (oops, sorry about this, I am still learning pronouns).
Ha, ha, ha... The nolanites's curse still in full mode with these DC productions. From bad movies with good Box office (Aquaman) to crappy movies that flop.
Meanwhile at WB/DC headquarters: Damn, we put another flop on screen, what are we gonna do?
- DC executive: Don't worry, just prepare the next/umpteenth Batman iteration. Oh, and add to that another Batman Villain artsy film, that's a plan. It seems that nowadays, artsy films is what DC fans are looking into. No longer they desire action, adventure, romance, thrills... Artsy villains films, that's our salvation, oh and Batman of course...
I see it coming around 530M WW total. Don't get me wrong still a big flop. Anything below 600M is a big flop. Anything below 700M is a failure, but salvageable.
Wait, are you trying to convince this bunch of delusional fruits regarding the fact that this movie is bombing more than the Enola Gay cargo? Good luck with that. They will only comeback with numbers which clearly will show how little they know about box office (like the typical comment that the movie is already 400M worldwide and already made its production budget 250M and its 140 Marketing budget, so it's profitable *facepalm*) or any of their delusional BS (like just plainly ignoring the numbers and calling it a success, because it is or it has to be)... They will never accept reality...
Really, so the movie that blew TLM out of the water (pun intended) last weekend in China has a Black-Latin main character, and that movie is doing great over there. That's because they are so racist. The excuses the media is using to defend this movie are pathetic. The people eating this crap is not too far from this description.
Oh yeah! But trying to explain the economic concepts of these kind of enterprise to people here who believe that a movie that cost 250M to produce, already covered its production budget the moment it makes 250M in global box office, is futile. And then they call you racist and hater, just for explaining cold and factual numbers. I wouldn't care less about this movie, I couldn't care less if Disney lose or win money with it, but he box office analysis is something some of us enjoy to do. If the analysis is not what they expected, that's not my problem.
Really, how can you make these people understand that investing 390 million dollars (250M production + 140 marketing), by breaking even or making a profit of 20 or 30 Million dollars, that's not a win for the company, much less for the investors. Even more when they can't believe that the producing company does not receive 100% of the tickets sold by the movie theaters in the world. So 550M on tickets sold, probably (most certainly) won't cover the 390M of cost.
The 20 million comes from the fact that they are including streaming, digital and physical media sales. So, it's obvious that the theatrical run alone is going to lose Disney near to 100 million dollars.
For those who will call me names and won't believe me, in the same article Deadline puts:
<blockquote>In a break-even scenario off a $560M global box office</blockquote>
They seem to contradict themselves, because, how can "anything in the low 400M global" make them only lose only 20M when the braking even point is 560M? We are talking of a difference of more than 100M. That makes no sense. But they explain later that they are including all the variables (video, streaming, rentals). Again, this shows that the theatrical run of this movie will be catastrophic.
It's not doing it...
Cool. We will see next week how this movie holds against strong competition. One might be optimist and think that TLM will have some legs. However, internationally, that's almost impossible. Domestically, it depends on the Spiderman, Transformers, Flash and other strong movies that are in the horizon.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but you have everything wrong there.
First of all those opening weekend grosses you posted are for the worldwide market not domestic, thus every analysis you made with the 118 grossed by The Little Mermaid, which is domestic, are invalid.
Second, the opening weekend of TLM is 95.5 millions not 118M. 118M is the four days gross (because of the holiday), so you can't compare the opening weekends of other movies that have 3 days with the Little Mermaid 4 days total, bogus.
The International opening weekend of TLM is 68 millions. However, any comparison or analysis you intend to do with the opening weekend grosses from international numbers you got from wikipedia, will not be relevant unless you include how many markets the each movie opened. I'll explain: It's not the same Monster U making 136 million dollars in 40 international markets than TLM making 68M in 51 international markets. There is no way you can extrapolate the behavior unless they opened in the same markets, which never happens.
^^Basically this.
I bought the book two years after the movie was released and it had like one and a half pages of what happened between them. Yes, she was too young for him (I think he had finished College working with Abner and she was in high school, probably underage, but they never told); yes, her father didn't approve, they did it anyway; he had to leave to do his Indiana Jones things and she got heartbroken. Her father never forgave him (even when he was his star student and assistant).
She did not get pregnant but on those times (beginning of the 20th century) that kind of relationships were not condoned by the high society (Abner was an acclaimed professor).
<blockquote>Man I bet Disney and other Studios are looking at DC films track record and are Just so Envious....
I mean I bet Disney wishes they could go a whopping 50% over there last 6 films huh?
I bet the Envy of Making 6 DC films where 3 end up being flops or makes no Profit really makes Disney envious huh?
oh wait, I bet Disney is think hey I wish we could make movies where even when We Win, we still lose by costing ourselves over 300 Million dollars in profit because they didnt have confidence in a film to begin with like WB did with Joker huh?</blockquote>
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Amen! (pun intended). Lol!