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"If #300 is the endgame, then a 14th season is a half-season - and that will be the most Dabb et. al. will devote to wrapping up Dean and Sam. That is, if we're lucky. But I too believe that we'll most likely have to wait until that 14th half-season to see episodes that actually focus on the brothers."
They should put some effort in the final arc whenever that may be. Singer has been pretty consistent that the boys need to have a proper send off. Everyone wants that and no one wants to screw it up.
What I'm excited about is how excited Jensen and Jared have been at conventions about the future after the show. Jensen wants a movie and Jared wants a Netflix deal with 8 episode seasons or 4 movies like Gilmore Girls. That could be great, Jensen could finally film at the Grand Canyon and the other locations he has mentioned. There would be a bigger budget and the show or movies would go back to focusing on Sam and Dean. Jared said he was willing to commit to 2 or 3 months a year and seemed excited about it. There wouldn't be any filler for J2's off days either. Everyone wins.
As much as I would like to see Dean take the grenade launcher to this whole season, I think everything we are seeing is a setup for a spin-off. They are throwing everything against a wall and hoping the CW will let something stick. They pretty much said that last week in the episode preview. I think Dabb and Singer are preparing for 300 and what may come after it. I'm guessing (and I hope I'm wrong) that Season 13 will be a lot of spin-off pitches particularly wayward daughters. If they get it then Season 14 will be a Dean and Sam wrap up.
I don't even know if Dabb and Singer think Mary needs redemption. Maybe we were never suppose to like her and this is just a repeat of Grampa Campbell. They have to know she is not that popular and sleeping with Ketch really won't help the situation. I am afraid that this is a long term story and there won't be any resolution at all this season. We have 7 episodes left and have to resolve Mary, Mick, Ketch, Toni, BoL, the Princes, Lucifer and his child. Oh and weave Cas, Crowley and Rowena back into the main story. This could all lead to Season 12 part two:Let's do a spin-off.
At least Mary read John's journal and showed SOME interest about him. She couldn't be bothered with Sam or Dean at all.
It'll never happen but I hope Ketch kills Mary, Dean kills Ketch for revenge then takes the grenade launcher and blows up the entire BoL organization (Mick can stick around if he plays nice).
I never made the connection between the Negan bat and Dean being a caveman but that is brilliant and I think one of the major problems I have with this season. I like the summation of the episodes. The problem I have is in dialog the BoL have taken out 230 Vamps in the mid-west, 4 werewolf packs (1 with 20 dead), an Arlington ghoul, 3 ruguru's, the psychic plus Mary's shapeshifter, the vamp that outsmarted Cas and the werewolf pack she helped the twins with. This is so over the top that it has become a parody. You don't win over fans by making the characters they love look like ineffectual idiots.
I actually like him too and could see him sticking around as a kind of Q or Frank/Bobby/Charlie information guy. As long as he was a support character and not the bestest hunter to ever hunt. Overkill is a major problem right now. If they did it right they could have a Castile type turn and he could be a great asset to the show.
I believe some of them realize that some fans aren't happy. Sam Smith stated in an interview that she knows there are a lot of people that hate her character. Perez also made a joke about Dean being in an entire episode so he knows how much he was criticized. Add to that the ratings going down and there should be someone at the CW that understands knows there is a problem. I'm hoping for another Gamble type intervention to regroup next season.
I think the only reason they have been sending Dean to the woods is to show how great all the other characters are. The Winchesters should be legends by now, particularly Dean. They are personal friends of GOD. They have saved the world and actually ALL of Creation. Mary should be in awe of them. If she had shown the slightest interest in her sons or read the freaking Winchester Gospels she would see that.
So we are left with Mary and her British buddies who have taken out close to 300 monsters in the U.S (that we have seen) while Sam and Dean look like amateurs taking pity milk run assignments like a lone werewolf, a ghoul, a wraith and a Siren. Then they tease the grenade launcher and pay it off with Ketch using a bigger better one.
At the rate they are going the BoL will have a bigger monster tally then Sam or Dean have in the ENTIRE run of Supernatural. It just makes the BoL look even stupider for not chipping in for the Apocalypse, the Leviathans, Eve, and the Darkness (particularly when they could have just beat Lucifer with their magic egg).
Sorry for the vent but this season has really bugged me (and I stayed a fan even after season 7).
I agree with you 100% on this one. This is the first episode since Regarding Dean that I was excited about and all it ended up being was a backdoor Claire/Mick spin-off. All the remaining episodes this season are written by "SuperSam" writers or ones that don't care about Sam or Dean at all. I never believed it would get this bad.
I would say 1.60 also with a .6 demo. It's been on break and that should bump it up a bit.
I am actually optimistic about this episode. Glynn is writing this and she is the most pro-dean writer I have seen this year. He might actually have something to do this episode.
I called that one. This was the first episode I haven't watched in 12 seasons. Turning Dean into a side character is killing this show. It seems to me like every dean episode the ratings go up the next week and it falls the week after dean lite eps. They really need to fix this.
Yeah, the bitterness board is really weird. It wasn't just people telling people to take their comments to the board it was the people who made a comment and had to qualify it with "I guess I should take this to the bitterness board".
I do plan keeping this site on my go to list. It appears to be picking up some steam and also like people post regularly. Everyone seems nice and that's all that really matters.
I'm on wayward children which is how I found out about this board. I like it. I had a much worse experience on previously tv. If they don't agree with your opinion they jump all over you and yell at you to post on their bitterness board. So far I haven't found a major board with posting as constant as IMDB. I think there will be some crossover for awhile until one board really starts pulling away with members. It wouldn't hurt to let the users of Reddit, fan forums and previously tv know about this place. I think some of the users would like this place.