Liberals are so wildly out of touch with the citizens and what they want. They pushed woke-ism so hard that people are starting to push back finally. You’ll see the results of this mega-miscalculation at the voting booths.
shareLet's pretend your statement is true. Now explain why it would matter.
shareFor the majority of Americans it is true. It matters because film studios are losing millions (each) to billions (combined) of dollars by pushing an agenda that the majority of people are not interested in seeing. Corporations exist to make a profit. They don't exist to lose money. Now lets not pretend that you don't understand that, because if you really don't understand it then the problem lies within you, and not the original poster.
shareWell, no, the statement is either factually true or it isn't. Either 'nobody except white liberal women want to see' Bros, or it has a wider demographic appeal than this suggests. What 'the majority of Americans' think on the subject would neither negate nor confirm the statement.
I'm still not persuaded on why it would matter. I don't expect every film being made to appeal to me personally. If it has an audience, it has an audience. Whether it turns a profit or not is of concern only to the people who invested in it... isn't it?
I believe, that (and the op and myself should have noted this) this show will mainly be watched by that demographic (I believe that that is what the OP was insinuating) Straight men won't be interested, conservative, and libertarian women won't be interested, black men won't be interested, black women won't be interested, Asians won't be interested, etcetera. That leaves primarily white liberal women (the same women who watch The View). My sister is a white liberal woman, and she loves this type of stuff.
Yes, the profit margin is the concern of the people invested in it. What is happening now though, is that shows like this are losing money. The majority of Americans want to be entertained and not preached at. For example a corporation like Disney is learning this the hard way. They are losing millions (possibly billions) but refuse to change their programing narrative. It's not logical for a corporation to put out a product that the intended audience hates, but then the corporation blames the viewers for not liking said product. There was an old saying that was true when it was used, and it is true now (even if big agenda pushing corporations have forgotten or choose to ignore it) "The customer is always right."
"It's not logical for a corporation to put out a product that the intended audience hates."
"The customer is always right."
But you've amply demonstrated in the rest of your reply that you don't feel you are in the 'customer base' for this particular film. The film doesn't appeal to you. You are probably therefore not in its intended audience.
And, again, the financial risk involved in film investment falls on the investors, not the consumers. So I don't see why it matters to you. Either they've got the budget and the demographic appeal in relation to that budget right and the film breaks even or turns a profit. Or they've got it wrong and it doesn't. That's their risk -- and the same risk for every entertainment product.
Entertainment is a big, varied market. Not everything will appeal to everyone. I'm still failing to see the issue here. You're presumably not arguing that things like this shouldn't be made because you personally don't want to see them. That would be authoritarian madness, wouldn't it?
So -- where's the gripe?
I don't really have a gripe with this. If it hits a mark with its intended audience that is fine. However, these types of shows are not hitting the mark and investors, and film studios are losing money. It simply isn't logical to keep promoting the same thing over, and over again while continuing to lose money.
shareI don't think film studios are losing money, are they? My understanding is that profits are still down post-pandemic, but that studios remain firmly in the black. Individual projects may not make a profit, but there's nothing new in that.
I concede that I may be wrong there though. I won't pretend to keep track with how much money Universal or The Walt Disney Company is or isn't making. Because it's not my money, so I don't personally care very much.
A lot of what is considered "progressive" films and tv are wildly underperforming at a loss. This movie looks to be on the exact same path. It opened to 8.5 million, half of what was predicted. It has a long way to go, just to break even. I think people would rather see the money going towards products with general appeal, rather than trying to market to target identities that pull from budgets of other, more beloved properties.
shareA lot of what is considered "progressive" films and tv are wildly underperforming at a loss.
I think people would rather see the money going towards products with general appeal, rather than trying to market to target identities that pull from budgets of other, more beloved properties.
I stated my case as to why these movies affect other consumers, so you're wrong that fans need to be investors. And, box office sales are verifiable for all movies, so that is the standard for success, Hollywood bookkeeping aside. And you are also incorrect about these movies having the same success rate. A successful progressive movie is the exception, not the norm. Again, box office sales don't lie.
shareAnd you are also incorrect about these movies having the same success rate. A successful progressive movie is the exception, not the norm.
You've already admitted you don't have any idea on the box office returns for movies, yet you question someone who does...OK. I'm not simply asserting it is, I'm saying I've looked at the numbers. You can too, rather than argue on ignorance.
shareYou've already admitted you don't have any idea on the box office returns for movies
you are going on and on trying to fight a strawman. I made it clear that I was using box office numbers as the standard for comparison, because it's the only numbers we can verify. You're trying to be obtuse to push some obvious failing point. I don't have time for that. Look up box office returns or don't, I don't care. I'm right because I know because I informed myself, and that's all that matters. Keep believing you're right based on nothing but your emotion. Typical liberal way of thinking anyway.
shareWell, as I say, the good news for you is that if you're right the studios will stop making these 'progressive films'. So we'll find out in due course who is indeed right and who is 'trying to be obtuse'.
Do you understand me? Are you catching my drift? Or am I being obtuse? I will cast you down with the Sodomites!
shareProbably, they don't care. I'm sure their box office losses are evened out by secret funding by The Soros Foundation and China.
Hollywood is no longer producing entertainment, but propaganda, and propaganda doesn't have to make money, just warp viewpoints.
Soros makes sense. But why would China funds liberal propaganda?
shareTo further destabilize American society, demoralize the youth and turn them against America and its history and traditions.
While our kids are going to the movies and watching superhero fluff and LGBTQ comedies, Chinese are watching patriotic battle flicks about kicking USA ass in the Korean War.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2JcFRY_yC0
Because white liberal women are the people who will go out and spend money on this stuff to be on the "right side of history". Look at how many of them are obsessed with that Heartstopper show. Stuff like this isn't even realistic to the average gay man, it's a white womans fantasy.
shareWe should all consider the possibility that there is an agency afoot in the world, entirely divorced from entertainment and other mass media, that has the goal of destroying the family unit and create the opportunity completely to re-make society to comply with the agency’s vision. This agency has unlimited funds and nearly-unlimited time to achieve its goal of re-imagining society as a world with no families, no free thought, no independence and no white men, heterosexual or otherwise. Those of you who read this will be dead before the goal is reached, but the agency does not care. The agency is playing the long game. What we are experiencing is the confusion and pain of the shakeup that will finally lead to the destruction of the family unit. The agency has unlimited funding and will keep woke media and the woke agenda prosperous. The consumer marketplace no longer dictates the agenda.
I know that sounds loony and creepy, but I now think it is more than plausible. Happy I’ll be dead before it comes to fruition.
I know that sounds loony and creepy
Except that he's right and you know it.
shareIs he? Do I?
shareYes.
shareA compelling, well-reasoned argument(!).
shareCompelling, well-reasoned arguments don't work with leftists.
shareAm I a leftist then?
shareIf it quacks like a duck...
sharePretty sure any arguments I've made in this thread are from a free market/consumer-capitalist perspective. Is that leftist now?
I'm also pretty sure I'm a European who is not especially interested in America's silly, overblown culture wars.
But sure... whatever.
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sharenotice, they never actually denied being a liberal.
shareYep. 💯
shareNo, but I did mention that I was European. You'll be shocked to hear we don't really have much American-style liberalism here.
Different culture. Different political traditions. We don't have the same political definitions or terminology. The world is not America.
It doesn't sound loony to me. Does anyone with a shred of sanity truly believe that the senile old thing in the white house that shakes the hand of air (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLyxbTP6yOE) and gets directions from the Easter Bunny (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtqiLobIJnU) is running the show. No, he's being controlled by the very organization that you've insinuated may nor may not exist. Look, I don't know if it's an organization or not, but someone is pulling the strings, and trying to destroy our country, our values, our heritage, our morality, our history, and everything else that made this country great at one time. I look around and I do not even recognize this country anymore.
shareLet's say I have a secret plan that will remake society exactly the way you want it to be. Then I tell you that it won't happen in our lifetime, but in five generations. Would you donate a large part of your life to help me with this plan? Bullshit. You can't even picture five generations from now. I know you can't see five generations ago, either. This long game shit you're talking about is nonsense. Too bad you're too stupid to see it.
shareIf the majority is not interested in seeing this sort of propaganda, the industry responsible for the propaganda will not survive the free market.
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If I make a film -- 'propaganda' or not -- that cost, let's say, $5m, I don't need 'the majority' -- or anything even approaching the majority -- to be interested in watching it in order to turn a profit. It can be a very niche product indeed.
I don't know what the budget for this movie is, but would very surprised indeed if it requires universal appeal in order to wash its own face. It's a romantic comedy with no big stars in it. It is probably relatively inexpensive.
I've a hunch the film industry will survive even if Bros fails -- as many films before it have -- to turn a profit.
budget was 22 million. Admitted inexpensive for Hollywood standards, but it will never make it's money back based on opening weekend sales.
shareI'm sure there are lots of different types of people who want to see it. I'm a man and I plan to see it.
shareThat's not fair, because you see EVERYTHING.
shareI see almost everything. I still haven't seen Asian Babes Volume 1 through 8, even though they have been recommended by that one guy.
shareHe probably purchased every VHS, DVD and BluRay copies in existence and also bought the streaming licenses so nobody else can find them.
shareHey! I’m stood right here!
shareI just watched the trailer as I didn't even know this existed until this moment and I want to see it.
share"BROS" is the first major studio film to feature an all LGBTQ principal cast playing heterosexual roles
that means they are APPROPRIATING OUR LIFESTYLE??? Off with their heads!!! :)
yes, more, moronic hypocrisy they are blind and ignorant to.
It serves no one but the single digit percentage of the gay male population that would go see it. Good luck in trying to make it a hit.
sharethe main actors last 12 roles have been hallmark TV movies. this is hardly big Hollywood pushing the gay agenda. its some small budget film about two gay dudes.
dont worry your fragileness can still be intact to whine about another film with a female lead