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Is Bucky attempting to Deliver Baron Zemo to Wakanda?

posted 4 years ago by NorrinRad (5468)
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Baron Zemo killed King T'Chaka and framed Bucky, T'Challa spared Zemo's life but during the Blip I can see how in T'Challa's absence Wakanda might want revenge whereas T'Challa did not. Zemo was on Bucky's list and I did wonder just why he was there. It would make sense that Wakanda wants Zemo and because Wakanda offered "The White Wolf" peace and a bit of deprogramming Bucky might owe them.

Ayo was one of T'Chaka's personal bodyguards and part of the Dora Milaje that allowed him to be assassinated. That had to be the ultimate embarrassment. M'Baku raised that very point during Challenge Day. Ayo is not a War Dog and the Dora don't travel alone. I don't know if the story will go in this direction but it would be a cheat for Bucky just to "talk" to Ayo and she leaves without taking Zemo with her.

FATWS is just getting too intriguing with these plot lines. 😎

[–] msegmx (444) 4 years ago

I doubt that Wakanda wants revenge, but they want him in prison for sure.

[–] NorrinRad (5468) 4 years ago

I think Wakanda wanting to imprison Baron Zemo themselves is all about their own nation-version of revenge.

[–] alienzen (1931) 4 years ago

Bucky will tell her that they need Zemo and that she can take him after they have finished with him.

[–] NorrinRad (5468) 4 years ago

Given that the "Heart-Shaped Herb" is no longer an option for the Black Panther there was probably an extended reason that Wakanda might be interested in "Super-Soldiers". I just don't see Wakanda just standing by and trusting that Zemo will be turned over to them once they are done with him. Why would Zemo even agree to be transferred to Wakanda? It could not have been part of the deal he made with Bucky for springing him.

I agree with you that it will probably go the way you suggest but I don't want it to be that simple. Why go all the way to Latvia just to be told, "Oh I will give him to you when I am done with him"?

[–] alienzen (1931) 4 years ago

If they wanted to take Zemo, the Wakandans could easily just do it. Why would she have met with Bucky instead of just taking Zemo if that was what she wanted?
The Black Panther is not a super-soldier. I don't think it is just about having the strength that you get from the heart-shaped herb. Kilmonger did take the herb, he asked to be buried at sea, and we know that Namor is going to be in Black Panther 2. If T'challa is not being recast, it seems a no-brainer to resurrect Kilmonger and make him take up the mantle. It would make emotional sense, since he had a connection of sorts to Boseman's black Panther and Kilmonger has as mucn a claim to the position as anyone. It would complete a nice redemption arc and have some kind of continuity. Not to mention Michael B Jordan is leading actor material.

The only other option would be Shuri, and that would suck.

[–] NorrinRad (5468) 4 years ago

The Black Panther mantel is very much a "Super-Soldier" but just for Wakanda. N'Jadaka destroyed all of the Heart Shaped Herb which means that T'Challa would be the last and Wakanda will very much have to synthesize a new formula or the Black Panther is no more.

It could very well be that the original serum may be a derivative of the Heart Shaped Herb, as Howard Stark did have some vibranium. Who is to say that he didn't get one of the flowers also?

That's a bridge too far?

[–] AP (5288) 4 years ago

Good theory. Bucky was snapped alongside T’Chala so how do you think Bucky became aware of the revenge plot?

[–] NorrinRad (5468) 4 years ago

Bucky became the White Wolf and no doubt either T'Challa, Nakia, or even Okoye told him of some of the targets that Wakanda sees as threats. Zemo was indeed in his book (inherited from Cap at the end of Endgame) but I have to think that his de-programming and his memories were probably worked on with Wakandan scientists.

I'm not suggesting that Wakanda has a revenge plot but they want to insure justice is complete with the one that killed their king.

[–] AP (5288) 4 years ago

I thought you were suggesting T’Chala didn’t know of the plot since he was the one who put him in prison.

[–] kuatorises (7467) 4 years ago

So he broke Zemo out of prison to put him in a different prison? Am I following that correctly?

[–] NorrinRad (5468) 4 years ago

No. The "White Wolf" broke Zemo out of prison to assist in solving the who, what, when, where and why of the suddenly available Super-Soldier Serum.

Wakanda probably isn't too keen that the murderer of their previous king is now free. 😱 Wakanda may not trust "Colonizer" justice and now want him.

[–] kuatorises (7467) 4 years ago

"The "White Wolf" broke Zemo out of prison to assist in solving the who, what, when, where and why of the suddenly available Super-Soldier Serum."

This is true. And also goes against your original comment.

Oh and she was spying on him. He wasn't "working with her", she was tailing him. He noticed the bugs. That he was being followed.

[–] ExTechOp (2770) 4 years ago

Those komoyo beads weren't bugs, I don't think.

Ayo left them knowing Bucky would spot them.

My guess is the Wakandans allowed Zemo to remain in the Berlin prison as a diplomatic tactic - they had the technology to break him out and imprison or execute him themselves, but they left him there to keep the peace.

What's interesting about this is, we now know how well Bucky got to know them (even learning to speak Xhosa, too poorly for it to have been a Winter Soldier skill). So Bucky would've know that, once news got out of Zemo's escape, the Wakandans would come for him.

Problem is, Zemo knew it too and was ready with his "El Chapo" escape route.

Loved that Dora Milage fight though, Bucky first sarcastically encouraging Walker, then finally stepping in just to try to stop the fighting. I'd love to know what Ayo's last words to him were (my TV didn't translate the Xhosa).

[–] kuatorises (7467) 4 years ago

Everyone going nuts over that fight, I honestly thought the Bucky part ruined it. No fucking way two normal woman outclass Bucky. He could punch a hole in their head. He could disarm them with ease. Sorry, it would be hard enough for women to beat a regular man, but he's a Super Soldier.

I don't care if they were beads, bugs, whatever, the OP is wrong. Bucky is not "working with" Wakanda. They were following him.

[–] Alex (1504) 4 years ago

I think Bucky was more of a play fighting with them, holding back. They are his friends after all.

[–] kuatorises (7467) 4 years ago

I do agree he didn't want to hurt them and I fully admit the arm thing was kind of funny, but they made him look like a clown.

[–] seanwhelan2310 (575) 4 years ago

I'd say that Bucky will try to strike a deal with Ayo that if Zemo helps them finish the mission, they'll be allowed to take him, but odds are that Zemo could end up betraying Sam and Bucky in some way in the next three episodes, but I'd rather keep my mind fresh on this for episodes 4,5 and 6.

[–] NorrinRad (5468) 4 years ago

Bucky did indeed "Strike a Deal" but it was for 8 hours only. Great opening sequence showing Bucky finally feeling free of the HYDRA control triggers but still not at peace with his actions based on his memories.

The Dora Milaje taking everyone out and "Disarming" Bucky so easily was thrilling! The fact that Bucky didn't know that there was a quick release for his Vibranium arm makes me also wonder if Bucky knows that there may also be other functions in the arm.