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I don't ever want to hear anyone complain about whitewashing ever again


No idea why this gets a pass.

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What do you mean? I haven't seen the film.

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All historical persons are portrayed by actors of a different ethnicity, including all the founding fathers portrayed by black actors. For people that constantly hear complains of "white actors playing a black person is racist" praise for this sound very hypocritical.

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Yeah its hypocritical Bullshit then they call us racist when rightfully calling out there shouldn't be a black Superman.

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That seems like it's kind of the point so I don't think that's whitewashing. Although I do find it weird that they're changing the race of people who actually existed.

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I like Hamilton, but I have often wondered about the hypocrisy of it all.

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I found this and I have no idea what he means:

"Authorial intent wins. Period," Lin-Miranda says in response to recent controversies involving race and casting. "As a Dramatists Guild Council member, I will tell you this. As an artist and as a human I will tell you this. Authorial intent wins."

In an interview with arts administrator and producer Howard Sherman, interim director of the Alliance for Inclusion in the Arts and director of the Arts Integrity Initiative at The New School College of Performing Arts, the author of Hamilton, written specifically to have a cast of racially diverse actors portraying the white real-life people who conducted the American revolution, speaks passionately about the productions that cast a white actor as Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. in Katori Hall's THE MOUNTAINTOP and white actors as Indian characters in Lloyd Suh's JESUS IN INDIA.

"Katori Hall never intended for a Caucasian Martin Luther King," he notes. "That's the end of the discussion. In every case, the intent of the author always wins. If the author has specified the ethnicity of the part, that wins."

https://www.broadwayworld.com/article/HAMILTONs-Lin-Manuel-Miranda-Speaks-On-Race-and-Casting-20151203

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I think what it means is that as an author, if I write a play with the character description of say JFK as a latino, then that's what the character will be cast as. To cast JFK with a white person would go against my intent so that would be incorrect. So if I wrote Ali to be played by a white female, then that's what it would as well.

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That's what I was thinking too, but in this case he's basing them off of real people. I mean, would he win if he made a play where Hitler was a Jew?

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That could be interesting

I honestly don't know how I feel about it. I think that it needs to go both ways, but it won't balance itself out for awhile yet.

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There was a dutch comedy where hitler was a jew.

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Taika Waititi was also a New playing Hitler.l in "Jojo Rabbit".

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Thats interesting, because Lin-Miranda and the ones like him scream bloody murder if that authorian intent is ever used to portray a black person by a white actor.

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I could understand if there was a point of doing it. It could work as a screwball comedy where every race played a different race.

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So there is a point in portraying a white character by a black actor but not vice versa? You sound racist.

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There could be a point depending on the context.

The act of painting your face to appear as a different race is not racist, except if it's a white person doing blackface because there was a history of that happening and it would come off like you're mocking. Again though, there could be contexts where it could be done (ie Tropic Thunder)

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No, its either racist when anyone does it or not racist when anyone does it. Anything else is you being racist.

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There's historical context with one and not the other.

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Theres historical context with both. But your schools are too busy with black/gay/etc months to teach history outside of european slave trade hundreds of years ago.

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So the point is to show that rules are for thee and not for me? Sounds like an odd way to show that blacks run the culture.

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Double Standards are awesome.

It's like putting salt into cookies because it's also white crystalline powder.

MMMM mMMM stupid.

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I have heard plenty of complains....

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This is how I feel, particularly with the current casting of a very dark woman to play Anne Bolyn who was red haired, blue eyed, and white. So to be fair, let's cast an all white version of Roots.

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Could "Hamilton" ever be produced on stage with white actors in the roles? If so, would that be called racist?

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The people who care about whitewashing in theater don't think that color-blind casting is hypocritical, they think it's evening the score. They think that after all the whitewashing that went on during the 20th century and which is still visible in pop culture, casting a few POC to play white people still leaves the score as Whitewashing-100000000000, Blackwashing 10.

Don't start debating this with me, because it's not something I care about enough to defend. I've got better hills to die on than worrying about which actor gets which job, I'm just explaining the viewpoint of those who have nothing better to do.

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