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The same people complaining about diversity on the show...


...were the ones crying about Gandalf being portrayed by a gay actor (Ian McKellen) and Éowyn killing The Witch King in the films. They are just the other side of the same bigoted coin.

It is funny to see them complain about the SJWs when they are basically the same.

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Evidence?

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...Except neither of those things actually happened.

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Well the left lives in a fantasy world so there’s that. Common with the mentally ill.

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The same people praising diversity on the show are the ones who used to call Tolkien a white supremacist and said the orcs were black people.

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Truth bomb getting dropped here.

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Who were those people?

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You're thinking of Stormfront. Big fans of LOTR.

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Know a lot about Stormfront do you? Interesting.

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Nah. Here's one example among many
https://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/chi-030112epringsrace-story.html

There's even a Wikipedia article about the controversy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tolkien_and_race

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I can't remember a single example of the former and only a hand few of the latter. And in those latter cases it was solely because it did not follow the book which is fair criticism.

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Were you even born when Ian Mckellen was cast as Gandalf?

As for Eowyn killing the Witch King, why on earth would anyone have complained about that, since it happened exactly as it happened in the books?


'Hinder me? Thou fool. No living man may hinder me!'

.... 'But no living man am I! You look upon a woman. Éowyn I am, Éomund's daughter. You stand between me and my lord and kin. Begone, if you be not deathless! For living or dark undead, I will smite you, if you touch him.'...

Still she did not blench: maiden of the Rohirrim, child of kings..., fair but terrible. A swift stroke she dealt, skilled and deadly. The outstretched neck she clove asunder, and the hewn head fell like a stone....

...Out of the wreck rose the Black Rider, tall and threatening, towering above her. With a cry of hatred that stung the very ears like venom he let fall his mace. Her shield was shivered in many pieces, and her arm was broken; she stumbled to her knees. He bent over her like a cloud, and his eyes glittered; he raised his mace to kill.

But suddenly he too stumbled forward with a cry of bitter pain, and his stroke went wide, driving into the ground. Merry's sword had stabbed him from behind, shearing through the black mantle, and passing up beneath the hauberk had pierced the sinew behind his mighty knee.

'Éowyn! Éowyn!' cried Merry. Then tottering, struggling up, with her last strength she drove her sword between crown and mantle, as the great shoulders bowed before her. The sword broke sparkling into many shards. The crown rolled away with a clang. Éowyn fell forward upon her fallen foe. But lo! the mantle and hauberk were empty. Shapeless they lay now on the ground...;


Thats almost verbatim as it happened in the move.

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The criticism that this scene got was that they simplified the dialog way too much. And in general the character of Eowyn also wasn't as well defined as she was in the books. Some critics where actually female fans of Tolkiens work who found the strong character from the books to not get the proper treatment in the films.

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You are talking about criticism from Tolkien purists, which could apply to many scenes from the movies. That is not what the OP was talking about.

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The criticism I mentioned is the only criticism I remember from the time of the release of the movies. Then what is the OP referring to?

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Do you think that the OP meant that female Tolkien fans who complained about the simpified dialogue and portrayal of Eowyn are the same people complaining about diversity in the Rings of Power?

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The complaints stem from the way it was presented in the film. They made it seem like she was able to kill the Witch King because she was a woman and not a man. In reality, it was because she was so brave and emotionally fortified that the witch king could not use fear to prevent his own death. He was seen as unkillable which made him unkillable to any person who believed it. Eowyn did not believe he was unkillable, so she was able to kill him.

The presentation in the film made it come across as a feminist message inserted very inappropriately. If that is the case or not only the cast and crew know for sure, but it does appear that they replaced a very good story about a brave and strong woman with a feminist political message for girl-power fembot points. They even tear down strong women to insert their strong woman political message.
It is all very annoying and baffling.

They could have presented it as it was in the book and it would have been even more empowering for women, but it would not have ticked the ever-paramount "woman is stronger than man because woman and nothing else" feminist claptrap box.
Women cannot be strong for logical reasons according to the feminists. They have to just be stronger and better and smarter than men for no other reason than being a woman.

BTW, have the feminists figured out what a woman is(other than 'just a feeling')?

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I don't remember these complaints. It happens in the movie exactly the way it happens in the book. If anything they toned it down in the movie. I saw it more as a prophetic thing.

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You need to reread the books.

BTW, do you know what a woman is?

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I already posted the excerpt of the book describing this exact scene.

https://moviechat.org/tt7631058/The-Lord-of-the-Rings-The-Rings-of-Power/631b79d27f4c4f0e4476cc7a/The-same-people-complaining-about-diversity-on-the-show?reply=631bb8127f4c4f0e4476cf30

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Do you think that scene had no lead-up? Do you think if it isn't said at that moment it doesn't exist?
You need to read the books instead of finding exerts.

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No, you need to read the books.

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Wow.
Denial is not a river in Egypt.
I was part of a book club that discussed LOTR and this was one of the more popular talking points.
Get a grip on reality.

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As someone who haven't read the books, the girl killing the witch king is one of the lamest and most bizarre scene of the movie.

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Yes, but it's also cathartic.

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Erm Eowyn killed the Witch King in the books.

People are complaining that the Rings of Crap are shitting on the books.

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is this part of the star trek universe?

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The show isnt diverse. Where are the Asians? 40% of the worlds population? This show is seeped in US contemporary political conflict. It's a shame. If anything, more Asians is needed considering how the easterlings are written in his books.

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