How woke do you think this will be?


I have heard that not all of the fictional magical creatures and denizens of Middle Earth will be white skinned? And some will be women?

Political correctness gone mad.

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It's gonna be all trolls, just like here.

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everybody who doesnt subscribe to ur boring generic sjw rhetoric is a troll?!? they must be those scary Russians i bet!!! we need mark the zuccfuck to censor the shit out of everything to stop this!!!

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Whoosh!

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Eloquently said.

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No kidding. Imagine being so pathetic you'd be posting all over movie boards about things being "woke" because you might have to see a black face or a gay character somewhere.

Ugh.

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nobody wants that shit. there was a reason the lord of the rings is so popular is because the lack of that sjw bullshit

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Speak for yourself. Most of the world can see a black face in a movie without whining like a little bitch.

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I love the way poeples words just get bent out of all recognition.

No one is complaing about a black face like you say they are complaiing about Tolkiens work being altered to the point it won't be his work anymore and will just be Lord of the Rings in name only.

There are many black and darker skinned races in Lord of the Rings but they don't want to use those they just want to race swap current characters to fit Americas narrow view of race. All you see in America is black and white that is it, quite sad really.

People are complaining about throwing out hundreds of years of mythology and history to push modern American politics into a show that is meant to be a fantasy of Anglo Saxon Medieval England.

A fan has the righ to complain when something they love is being destroyed and no amount of name calling will stop them. This will not end well for Amazon. If America wants its multicultural fantasy world then go and make one. Doubt it but yeh lets rely on two uncredited Star Trek writers for success, i'm sure that will work out well.

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Yeah.

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LOTR was full of black faces. Just look at the orcs.

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lmfao

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Why does it matter if they are white skinned if they're fictional?

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Why does it matter if they are all black skinned if they are fictional.

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Why does it matter if they are white skinned if they are fictional?

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Nerdrotic says it's full of feminazi Mary Sues,POC Elf and female Dwarfs,typical Woke interracial couples(black man-white-woman) a total bastardisation of Tolkien's mythology so it looks pretty Woke to me plus I expect some kind of LGBT representation too
https://youtu.be/Qysw8A_ssRc

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Yawn, typical white neckbeard crying about diversity. lol

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Of course he is just a neckbeard.

Ever thought for a second he may be right. Nerdrotic is a huge Lord of the Rings fan and knows his stuff about it. When the Onering (offically recognised by the Tolkien estate) fansite has condemed this show then you know it is going to be bad but yeh we are just all neckbeards and racists for calling out the hypicrisy and tokenism which it most certanly is.

Explain how a dwarve that lives underground and doesn't see daylight is black?

Just because it is fictional is not an excuse. It was written a certain way and if you can't honor that writing then don't do it at all. This will be fan fiction not Lord of the Rings.

Why is galadriel now a warrior and commander. She was never written that way but we gotta have that female empowerment and cuck the actually warrior in Elrond. Why, what is wrong with making it the way it was written. It is wrong because modern PC determines that a woman must be stronger in every regard to her male counterpart.

Well Blade is fictional, so is Black Panther, so is Shaft, so are many many other TV Shows and movies with a black cast but try and switch one of them and you will be called racist.

Always amazes me when poeple defend this and then call people racist when it happpens the other way. It is the same thing but unfortunatly the rules only flow in one direction.

We are also meant to believe that between the 2nd and 3rd age there was some sort of non white genocide went on. These changes are done for the sole reason of just changing them. They don't do it to make it better or explain why and again if you disagree you get a comment like yours.

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LMAO...PATHETIC.

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Yes you are.

Nothing I wrote was incorrect but of course you woke types will bend the rules anyway you want becuase your hypocrites.

You won't answer any of the questions I posed are debate anything I said because you have no real answers and so will resort to name calling and "ism's" to justisfy your position which is so lazy and means nothing now.

Why do all white shows need to be diversified but all black shows do not. It is hypocrisy of the highest level.

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I DID NOT CALL YOU ANY "ISMS"...NOR WILL I...SIMPLY PUT...YOU'RE WRONG AND A COMPLETE MORON.

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It was a generalised statement as that is what happens always in these discussions.

If you say anything about anyone who isn't white then are deemed a racist no matter the context or arguement you bring to the table.

But you still resort to insults as you cannot bring any rational reasoning to the debate so that is all you have left.

And no i'm not wrong. My opinion cannot be wrong.

But please reply with another insult to show the class how childish you are.

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YOU ARE WRONG...YOUR OPINION IS YOURS...BUT BEING AS HOW YOU ARE WRONG...YOUR OPINION IS SHIT.

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My opinion at least makes sense. You just sling insults, put your hands over your ears and scream la la la la i cannot hear you. Pathetic.

Troll off somewhere else.

Just because you say something doesn't make it right you know even if you put in caps like a 12 year old douchbag.

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I ADMIT DEFEAT...YOU HAVE CONVINCED ME...IF THE LORD OF THE HOBBITS FEATURES BLACKS AND WOMEN IT WILL SUCK...NOW RUN ALONG AND BIC THAT SHIT OFF YOUR HEAD STUMP.

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Not what i said but glad you have shown yourself up for what you are just a poor troll.

Quote me where i said it will suck because of blacks and woman. You won't because i didn't say it, you will just reply with a similar response thinking your being clever, But if it makes you feel big about yourself then crack on.

You would fit right in on twitter. You can scream racism all day there and have everyone seal clap along with you.

I genuinly don't care what you say or what you think of me but crack on if it makes you feel better.

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Explain how a dwarve that lives underground and doesn't see daylight is black?


YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE POINTING AT RACE OR SAYING THE WORD RACIST...YOU MIGHT WANT TO CHECK YOURSELF.

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Can't answer it though can you. Perfect sign of a troll

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forget it man.... kovalchuk is a very low IQ Polak.


you can't argue with stupid.

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I know but what can you do. You either show these people up for the idiots they are or you just let them run rampant.

Personally i would always rather show them up for the douchebags they are.

Funny thing is he and others can't answer my very simple question and it is simple. You could even google it. They won't becuase it destroys there entire narrative

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WIZARDS,DRAGONS,MAGIC RINGS AND ELVES...BUT YOU NEED TO KNOW THE SCIENTIFIC EQUATION FOR NON WHITE DWARVES...


ONLY DOUCHEBAG SHOWING AROUND HERE IS DANGLING OUT OF YOUR SHORTS.

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of course....... you can hit them over the head with the truth over and over again........ they will still refuse to accept it.

stubborn as a donkey and even lower IQ than said donkey

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he is 100% correct... kovalchuk, you are one low IQ fuck.... you know nothing about this story.

but the people that respond to you do.
you have nothing here, you are being schooled.

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Explain how a dwarve that lives underground and doesn't see daylight is black?

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Your question about the plausibility of black dwarves is one the stupidest inquiries ever proffered. Melanin production isn't limited to being solely a response to sunlight. By your logic dwarves should all suffer from albinism.

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So you are saying if a person lives underground and never sees sunlight he will have black skin. How? Where does the vitamin D come from. Your skin would become paler and if we are talking thousands of years like Lord of the Rings they would be almost grey but definitely not black

Think you really need to double check what you wrote.

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It would've served you better to have not responded at all.

Questions: Is sunlight the only source of vitamin D?

What's the nature of the physics and biological processes that govern that universe?

These questions might seem silly but what's infinitely more silly is the fact that you're butthurt by the pigmentation of fictional races/species in A FUCKING FANTASY streaming show. It just exposes the depth of your POTENTIAL bigotry. Where's the scrutiny of the plausibility of the fantastical elements of the series. So an intellectual property can have talking mythical creatures, walking trees, rings that grant invisibility, etcetera etctera but not black underground dwelling characters?!? Gotcha.

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Youtoob Troll known for making up shit. Unless there are credible leaks on Reddit, it's Fake News.

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How so? It is a work of fiction and subject to copyright law. Therefore it is canon. Sorry to burst your bubble but hobbits are allsorts now.

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Therefore it is canon

No it is fan fiction

Explain how dwarves living underground without seeing sunlight are black?

An all black show is celebrated and gets numerous puff pieces. An all white show is now problomatic and needs changing. Why? Why have they had to create new characters just to fit in more diversity. Why?

This will be butchered and be Lord of the Rings in name only.

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I imagine you are saying this with your eyes closed and your hands over your ears while stamping your feet..
But heres a tip: just don't watch!

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Ahh yes because I dare to disagree. Can't possibly be true. They are race swapping and adding charcaters that didn't exist and if anyone speaks out then they must be racist. Don't you ever get tired of rolling out that same tired excuse.

No one can still answer my question. All I get is insults and name calling.

Explain how dwarves living underground without seeing sunlight are black?

And it will be butchered. They have even admitted that they are not following the books and made up tons of characters that didn't exist and altered actual characters. Elrond and Galdarial being 2 of the most prominent.

I also find it offensive being European that European culture, mythology and folklore is being bastardised to fit Americas very narrow view of race. But I always forget white to black is fine but black to white is racist. How silly of me.

You want a multicultural fantasy story then go make one. Go watch Game of Thrones. Why does Tolkiens work have to be destroyed for your agenda. It is based on Northern European history, folkore, norse mythology and evening the English countryside is the inperation behind the shire. When the offical Onering fan site (only fan site backed by the Tolkien estate) has already condemmed this show you know it is gonna fail.

So no i'm not doing this with my hands over my eyes no matter how much you want that to be true. This will Lord of the Rings in name only, it will have no resemblence to Tolkiens work and will most definately be fan fiction.

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Try a spell checker before you get all worked up about an English book, ok?

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So you can't answer or offer anything to the discussion. You just do the typical response with the spelling or grammer police.

I won't be watching it. Tolkien and Lord of the Rings fans won't be watching it. Good job on alienating the audience you should be attempting to get to attract.

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Whenever you're done with your little tantrum you should re-read everything and keep it all to yourself like a good little Hobbit, ok?
Or, just don't get so worked up about other people's expression. When people want to make a show with a diverse cast then you can watch it and enjoy it or not. But don't be a dick and tell others what they can or cannot do.

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Then you can never scream racism or whitewashing when a black fictional character is turned to white.

You still havent answered anything. Just keep replying with insults becuase you have no answers.

Your answer is "it is fiction, muh diversity" that isn't an answer

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You're not asking but trying to tell. No thanks.

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How do dwarves living underground and never see daylight become black?

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Slave laborers. Duh..

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You are just trolling now. Have a good one.

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Nope, it's a solid explanation. Southern Hobbits that came as slave laborers. Or as some cultural exchange.

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No that it doesn't. You want it to explain it but it doesn't. Also quote me in Tolkiens writing where Dwarves started dabbling in the slave trade.

So once again for the hard of hearing. How does a Dwarve who lives underground and never sees daylight....ever become black. Your skin would lighten and become grey not black.

Also and this is the final word i'm gonna say on this subject as i'm bored having to repeat myself. What right do the creators have to change Tokiens world? The answer is none. If you don't like what he wrote then that is fine but you have no right to alter his world he created. You want a multicultural world then go make one. Even Peter Jackson knew not to mess with it. This series will crash and burn on the alter of forced diversity.

There is nothing wrong with an all black show.
There is nothing wrong with an all white show.

But only one has to be changed to be more inclusive or because it is oNly FiCtIoNaL.

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Stick to your King James bible all you want. It's all still fiction. And you are far from done. Let's see you do another pointless rant about how others should restrict their freedom of expression because you don't like anything new.

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Stick to your King James bible all you want. It's all still fiction.

Your last 3 replies have all been personal attacks. The sign of someone who has nothing to offer to the conversation. I am not religious and even if i was what does that have to do with the bastardisation of Tolkiens work.

The fictional thing you keep saying is not a valid arguement. I'm guessing your ok with a fictional world or african tribesman being made up of asians and australian people. How about a movie about the Yakuza where they are played by Black Americans. Or an aboriginal man played by brad pitt. All these things can be made fictional but would be ludicrous and you know it. So stop with the fictional point as it isn't a valid one. Tolkien created a world in his image and his words. If you don't like it then fine but that doesn't give anyone the right to change it just because. If you can't make it right don't make it at all.

Now reply with an insult like a good boy.

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Ad homs look dumb. Why do you even keep repkying if you cant address anything they say?

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"Explain how dwarves living underground without seeing sunlight are black?" coal my man, coal :D :D :D

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Or maybe they eat chicken and melon and root beer a lot?
It is said they can jump really high and have ginormous schlongs.

Who the fuck cares? It is FICTION!

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So is black panther but i bet you would scream racism if they changed some of the tribes to white

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Why? Fictional tribes can be all colors of the rainbow.

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yes they should be so why were there no white tribeman in black panther. It is only fictional. Why were all the cast and crew black. I thought diversity was good.

I'll answer for you. White to black is fine and progressive no matter the source material. Black to white is racist and whitewashing. The rules are hypocritical and when you point them out you get called racist just like you and others have been.

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It is a commercial decision. That wasn't so hard now, was it?

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You literally cannot answer any simple questions and change the rules and move the goalposts everytime something is asked. I am pretty sure you don't know yourself what you are writting.

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You don't seem to get that you don't own the narrative here. It's not your story but those of the copyright holders. Fuck your nostalgia.

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You don't seem to get that you don't own the narrative here

Neither do you. Your opinion does not trump mine just because you say so doesn't make you right.

It's not your story but those of the copyright holders

The copyright holders are the Tolkien estate not Amazon. Amazon has bought ther rights to make a tv show named the lord of the rings and can use character names based on that IP. The reason it is not the 3rd age is because the Tolkien Estate would not allow them and so they settled for the lesser 2nd age. learn what copyright law is before having a go at someone else.

Fuck your nostalgia

Ohhh touchy, did i strike a nerve, you want a plaster for your booboo. Once you resort to name calling you lose all credibilty and lose the debate. Good job.


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Yeah, but where they??

I don't remember seeing that rainbow over Wakanda ...

But you're wrong. Fiction doesn't mean writing any shit with zero logic.

Like having 2 white parents with 2 natural kids, one african american and one east asian. (and that goes to villages/tribes/ethnicities/etc

Might still be fiction but it's not good fiction.

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Might I remind you that these movies are commercial endeavors. More money=better movie.

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Might I remind you that most movies that tried to bank on wokeness and diversity alone have failed or are less successful that would had been without?

Look at Ghostbusters, look at the all female Ocean, look at 355, look at Charlie's Angels. Look at the plethora of failures on CW, all beyond woke and unsuccessful.

So yeah, commercially endeavors should be successful commercially.

And no, more money doesn't mean "a better movie". Again, look at Ghostbusters 2016 vs Afterlife. More expensive, more money but worse.

I would add game of thrones. Last seasons were the worse (granted, not because wokeness) and they spend a LOT more in those seasons.

A new hope: 11 millions budget. The last Jedi: 200 millions. Solo: 300 millions budget. Which one was better in your opinion???

And I like how you moved the goalpost from "oh, it's just fiction - it doesn't matter" to "will throw shitloads of money at it so it must be a good show".

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Don't bring logic to the table. They don't understand that.

remember no matter what it is "oNlY fIcTiOnAl" unless it is a black cast then it matters. Odd how that works.

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You are 100% right.

This is the way! to deal with this kind of shit: just don't watch, let it crumble. Let it follow the path of other woke show, like all CW shows.

Will take a bit since the name alone will warrant high viewers for a while but just as STD will get lower and lower number of viewers and lower rates.

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I'm assuming it is woke shit and I don't care for black hobbits in the Shire (let there be southern countries with darker skinned races for accuracy if need be). But no need to get all worked up about something that people are free to make. If you want something else then finance something else. These moviemakers don't own you a goddamned thing.

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And if they want to make a mulitcultural fantasy world then they can finance it themselves.

Why does European culture constantly have to be diversified to fit Americas narrow view of race.

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It's money, baby. Just money. And hey, it might even be a very good show!

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22 new characters that were not in the book to fill up diversity quotas.

Re-writing the hobbits, dwarves and elves to shoe horn in characters and completely change legacy characters to fit modern day narrative.

Yeh it is going to be awesome. *sigh* It will be an utter trashpile and every media outlet will run puff piece after puff piece on those nasty trolls and racist who don't like it. This will be another Last Jedi moment.

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I didn't watch Last Jedi for other reasons. I have no problem with woke shows. They are the same as any other: when they suck I won't watch them. When they are good I will.

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I have no problem with woke shows. They are the same as any other

That sentence alone just shows you have zero clue what you are talking about. None.

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Take as much out of context as you like; no one expects more from you.

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No one knows me. Why would anyone expect anything from me. Strange sentence or was it because you have nothing to say so are now resorting to personal attacks. I haven't mentioned anything out of context.

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Explain how dwarves living underground without seeing sunlight are black?


That is just basic science. Intelligent point.

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Canon and copyright are two entirely different matters.

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And yet anything made under copyright is current canon.

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Says who? Copyright doesn't dictate canon. Copyright merely indicates right of use. In this case, the creators of this series has the rights to the Lord of the Rings trilogy and the Hobbit - but they did not secure the rights to the Silmarillion or Unfinished Tales. So how do you resolve that if "copyright=canon"? This would render the Silmarillion non-canonical by your logic.

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Probably 11 in the Beaufort Wokeness Scale.

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Gross.

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from 1 to 10??

Around 32 ...

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Agreed.

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Not planning to watch it. Not because of pc stuff. I just don't see any reason to watch anything after after Jackson's original trilogy in thesters.

I tried stresming the hobbit movies ... but didn't care anymore.

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Okay.

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Seeing the blond elf in the trailer is seen as the main character already (she is Galadriel btw), i already lost interest, like why is it so bad to concentrate a show or movie around men these days? Are men so bad that a good movie or show can't be written around them no more? They did the same with The Witcher, where Ciri became the main character.

A show or movie that is basically written around someone's gender or race fails all the time, (Ghostbusters 2016 is a good example), you need to create a good strong character first, than build someone's race or gender around it.

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Just make it good, and if it is an adaptation of something that is already good, then make it faithful, and it will still be good.

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Yes, there aren’t enough movies and TV series about men.

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