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-42% 2nd weekend hold


Almost unheard of for any kind of movie but especially a CBM.

Just...wow.

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There are over 200 movies with a lower 2nd weekend.

Passion of the Christ.
Jumanji:Welcome to the Jingle
Avatar
Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Rings
Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers
Aquaman: (-23.2)
The Hobbit: Battle of the Five Armies
The Incredibles
American Sniper
Wreck it Ralph
Django Unchained
Harry Potter the Sorcerer's Stone
Big Hero 6 (-38.3) Just missed the cut-off! 😭

WB/DC should still be excited for what that portends financially.

Spider-Man was at -37.8% $114,844,116 $71,417,527 3,615 $403,706,375 5/03/02 and it's that $400 Million mark domestic I think you are hoping for. Aren't you?

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Quite a few of those movies had their second weekend fall during the the very lucrative Christmas holiday.week.

Also, I said "especially a CBM" and the only CBM on your list was Aquaman which...had it's second weekend land during Christmas break.

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Queen you didn't say anything about just for October and as a matter of fact you never qualified any period.

It's not MY list. 😎 The list is from BoxofficeMojo.com: https://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/weekends/smallestdrops.htm?page=DROP3000&pagenum=1&p=.htm

Nice try though.

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No Norrinrad...its well known that many of them had their second weekend fall during Christmas week which famously gooses grosses to the high heaven.

Nice try, though.

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[–] QueenFanUSA (2323) a few seconds ago
No Norrinrad...its well known that many of them had their second weekend fall during Christmas week which famously gooses grosses to the high heaven.

Nice try, though.
So are you saying they are disqualified from being in the -37% or lower club? You're hilarious.

The Joker is special to you for some reason. I'm so sorry if you feel I tried to diminish The Joker's specialness. I am so, so sorry. I apologize.

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No...I'm highlighting how all the more impressive it is that it doesn't have the benefit of Christmas week to perform like this. Aquaman did and the only other CBM that you could name was Spider-man from 17 years ago.

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Almost unheard of for any kind of movie but especially a CBM.

No Norrinrad...its well known that many of them had their second weekend fall during Christmas week which famously gooses grosses to the high heaven.

Nice try, though.
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no Queen this is you completely Trolling....

You made this troll thread to brag about Jokers very good 2nd weekend hold, unfortunately though your Trolling got the best of you, and instead of RIGHTFULLY bragging about a very good 42% 2nd weekend drop, You got greedy and exaggerated and just had to say

"Almost unheard of for any kind of movie but especially a CBM.'

There have been a ton of movies with 2nd weekend drops similar or much BETTER than Jokers...

bottom line, "Almost unheard of for any kind of movie' is at best complete exaggeration, but at worst IMO clearly an Intentional an outright LIE....


again Jokers 2nd weekend is Great, You had every right to make a thread bragging about it, buuuuuut like always, You just had to TROLL...which lead you to make a statement that isnt even remotely true.



also you constantly accuse me and others of going back and editing our posts, but thats pretty much exactly what you did here...

as norrinrad pointed out, You never mentioned anything about Christmas in your original post, Its clear, you saw Norrins facts, and are now desperately trying to exclude results you didnt know existed.

again, the worst part about this is, It was so unnecessary, You could have made this thread in a correct way that Rightfully notes Jokers great hold, but instead you TROLLED and embarrassed yourself...

epic fail like usual


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Hey Bill...speaking of LIES how 'bout the whopper you told of "confirmed reports" of a "special deal" Disney got for The Lion King? Remember lying about that? 67% domestic take...55% international?

Remember telling that LIE?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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I'm surprised to see Radio at 84 on the list.

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Actually, you are making my point. That's a small list and I said "ALMOST unheard of".

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There are +200 Movies on that list for movies with +3000 screens. For smaller releases there are hundreds and hundreds more. 😂

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Yeah I saw that. How many of those 200 had a 96 million OW?

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[–] QueenFanUSA (2325) 15 minutes ago
Yeah I saw that. How many of those 200 had a 96 million OW?
Don't know. Don't care. The Joker is very sacred for you. It has given you a much needed "Told Ya' So!" over BillBrown I guess? So it is sacred 😇, and special, and unique, and wonderful, and powerful, and is spreading joy all around the world.

I'm so, SO, sorry for comparing The Joker's performance to any other movie, as no movie can be compared to or even should be compared to The Joker!

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...meaning very few started with that big of an OW.

Thank you.

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Do you even care about jokers BO performance or are you more bothered about trolling disney and bill brown ?

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Don't know. Don't care. The Joker is very sacred for you. It has given you a much needed "Told Ya' So!" over BillBrown I guess?

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wait?

how did Queen, get a "Told Ya" over me...

as far I'm I can see, We both Missed?

Queen Predicted a 70 M+ 2nd Weekend and guaranteed Joker was going to top 400 Million domestically...

both are/were disastrously wrong


I said Joker had no shot at 1 Billion and probably wouldnt pass Venom....Now I'm still not sure it Will top 1 Billion, But Its definitely going to top Venom, but bottom line here I was disastrously wrong because even if Joker doesnt top 1 Billion, Its going to get close and I didnt expect that....I'm not like Queen, I will admit when I missed, and I missed with Joker, Based on Jokers OW, I saw Joker ended around 750 Million Total, and It just did better than that...

Buuuuuut theres no getting around the fact that Queen Missed too....Joker didnt remotely performance like he predicted and expected....

I see no possible way Queen can be given a "Win" here....This was a draw where we both Lost

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Don't know. Don't care. The Joker is very sacred for you. It has given you a much needed "Told Ya' So!" over BillBrown I guess?

^^^

wait?

how did Queen, get a "Told Ya" over me...
He didn't. It was a question for him to affirm his positioning and posturing to his many "call-out" posts to you and about you. I wasn't acting as a referee or a mediator for this round of "Civil War" Part 27!!

I can't recount the precise details of the Joker Box-Office skirmish between you two, because the history and the detail has been "Snapped" and the stones, or in this case the actual posts, have been destroyed. 😎

Or maybe the correct analogy would make you two adversaries two of the Infinity Stones??? Are you the Mind Stone and he is the Space stone? But I digress.....

If we on the outside of this Tête-à-Tête are keeping score I'd have to agree that it was either a tie, or a draw, or maybe multiple fouls on both the offense and the defense.

QueenFanUsa: For excessive padding of financial numbers, Misreporting production budgets, disproportionate use of hyperbole, taunting?

BillBrown7071: Premature celebration (wouldn't pass venom) , unwarranted End-Zone dancing (No-Shot at $1 Billion), taunting?

You men are gonna have to agree to a Jump ball on a No-Call, but the clock (the boxoffice) is really in The Joker's favor as both of you predicted that the film would do really well.

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^completely agree

I have no probably given Queen the "Win" when he actually lucks into one.

I recall, Immediately messaging Queen when He Clearly "Won" on "Solo"..Queen spent a year claiming it was going to flop and The Star Wars franchise was on life support....I completely disagreed and expected Solo to be a hit.

Literally within 10 mins of deadline reporting the early projections, I messaged Queen and Literally said "Queen this is your Win...you were right"

then again, I prematurely tried to give Queen The "Win" again with Deadpool 2

I had predicted DP2 would make less than DP1, Queen Laughed and thought I was crazy, The final week leading up to DP2s release, DP2 was tracking around 150 M and Queen decided to bump every thread and call me out....I simply responded with "Queen this looks like your Win"....Oddly Enoug Queen couldnt accept it and just kept saying Odd and absurd things, I even had to literally say "Queen I'm trying to give you the Win here, why wont you let me?"

Now, The great part about this is, Hilariously DP2 ended coming in exactly where I said BOTH on OW and domestically and made Less than DP1, Queen took this extremely hard, Queen went from LIVING on the DP2 board bumping every thread to call me out to Literally Disappearing the moment deadline reported early projections...and I shit you not Queen still hasnt been back to the DP2 board

Point being...If Queen "got the Win" here with Joker...I'd have no problem admitting it...but He didnt....we both missed BADLY

as you said, this can only be ruled a "No contest" or draw.

buuuut the thing about me, that might slightly give me the advantage is, Im man enough to admit it....I have no problem admitting Joker just made more than I was expecting, and Theres no way I can do anything but admit I was wrong

Queen though I bet, Will make excuses and never admit Joker DID NOT make as much as he was expecting, instead of admitting he was wrong, I bet He'll try to claim he was right and Won.

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Liar.

Pathetic liar.

I started a thread saying that many thought the prediction that entertainment sites called a 42 million 2nd weekend were about 15-20 million too low.

It ended up coming in at almost 56 million which is 14 million higher than 42 million.

YOU said there was "Zero chance"(your exact words) that it would come in that high and "AT BEST" would hit 48-49 million.

YOU said that if "it doesn't come anywhere CLOSE" to 57 million that "I win and you lose"( your exact words again).

So you were saying again?

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Liar.

Pathetic liar.

I started a thread saying that many thought the prediction that entertainment sites called a 42 million 2nd weekend were about 15-20 million too low.

It ended up coming in at almost 56 million which is 14 million higher than 42 million.

YOU said there was "Zero chance"(your exact words) that it would come in that high and "AT BEST" would hit 48-49 million.

YOU said that if "it doesn't come anywhere CLOSE" to 57 million that "I win and you lose"( your exact words again).

So you were saying again?


^^^

again Queen, I agree with everything you said and admit I was Wrong about saying "It wont get close"

But you are intentionally Lying about me saying ....

"YOU said that if "it doesn't come anywhere CLOSE" to 57 million that "I win and you lose"( your exact words again)."


I did say It Wont come close to your 57 to 62 Million prediction....which I was WRONG about

But I specifically said "I ONLY care about you being wrong, as long as It doesnt end up between 57 to 62 Million, I Win and YOU LOSE"

But again I'm in no way saying I WON...Because even though Joker didnt hit the 57 to 62 Million you predicted, YOU still were damn close and I was really OFF...

Your 1st prediction was good(not technically right) but damn good....you then KILLED it by TROLLING and upping your prediction to 70 M and 400 M domestically.

you cant stop repeating YOU said there was "Zero chance" and "It Wont come close"....I have and am 100% admitting I was dead wrong....I did not believe Joker would get close to your 57 to 62 Million prediction, I thought Joker could finish anywhere between 45 to 50 M but had no shot at JUMPING as high as you were projecting...I absolutely said "Zero chance" and "wont get close'"....I was wrong...

But You are intentionally LYING about me saying "it doesn't come anywhere CLOSE" to 57 million that "I win and you lose"

I intentionally and specifically said "as long as it doesnt end up between 57 to 62 Million, I Win and you Lose....

but I was expecting It not to get close, I was expecting Joker to have a 2nd weekend between 45 to 50 M....Just the fact that YOU were ALMOST right and I was clearly wrong is more than enough for me not to desperately try to claim "I won"


Queen at the time you made your post, deadline was reporting Joker was coming in at 42 Million....

you then predicted it would come it 15 to 20 Higher....

I know you remember me saying "I only care about you being wrong"...

Thats why I specifically said "as long as it doesnt come in between 57 to 62 Million ...I win and you lose"

I added the 15 to 20 million you predicted to deadlines 42 M projection....which is 57 to 62 M....for you to be wrong(which Is all I cared about) it just needed to not fall into that window...

again I expected it to be much worse, I thought at best Joker would finish 45 to 50 M and you'd be off by alot...

But instead you were very close, and I was wrong....

but I specifically said "as long as it doesnt come in between 57 to 62 M ...I win and you lose, The Math was simply and thats why I specifically set the 57 to 62 M number

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You know the most pathetic thing about that whole incident was, bill?

YOU came at ME with this wager out of nowhere about "You win" and "I lose" and made a competition out of something when I "fell short" by just a little over a million and you said "best case" was it may make 49 million which is 7 million short. I mean you even said that if I got "close" than I would be the "winner"'.

I mean...you can't even make this up...I just sat back laughing at how you stepped in it and started copying your posts for posterity it was just too good and then the mods deleted all of it. Which...now gives you the opportunity to lie about it but I know you are now lying and YOU know you are now lying.

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YOU came at ME with this wager out of nowhere about "You win" and "I lose" and made a competition out of something when I "fell short" by just a little over a million and you said "best case" was it may make 49 million which is 7 million short. I mean you even said that if I got "close" than I would be the "winner"'.

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I agree thats why I'm in no way trying to act like I was right....

your 1st prediction was good, I already told you in fact it was close enough , I would have no problem giving you a clear WIN I mean as you said you were only 1 million off(thats basically nothing)

But you made that 2nd prediction....You came back to TROLL and upped your prediction to 70 M and 400 M domestically

theres no getting around it....You were WRONG

Theres no getting around it ...I was WRONG

Im in no way saying I was right......I'm not desperate enough to claim just because Joker made 55.5 M instead of 57 Million that I WON

You made the absolute better 1st prediction..as you said I saw Joker at best hitting 49 M(I was way off) when you almost nailed it and got within 1.5 M....Joker got damn close to what you said and had you not made the 2nd prediction, I'd just say YOU completely NAILED IT

but your 2nd prediction KILLS your Potential Win and very good 1st prediction....

You had ADDITIONAL information, you saw Newer, updated Projections and now changed your prediction from 57 to 62 M...to 70 M and 400 M domestically...

Your 2nd prediction holds more Weight because you had NEW, updated Information, You made a calculated adjustment

Joker did not come close to your 2nd Prediction....You were Wrong and in this case MORE wrong than I was....

You Missed by 8 to 15 Million on your second prediction and could miss by 60 to 70 Million about its domestic gross.

WE WERE BOTH WRONG....nobody won, not me, not you....

YOU came at ME with this wager out of nowhere about "You win" and "I lose" and made a competition out of something when I "fell short" by just a little over a million and you said "best case" was it may make 49 million which is 7 million short. I mean you even said that if I got "close" than I would be the "winner"'.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


I'm not being petty, I completely give you credit for getting it right with your first prediction, even though you were 1.5 million shy, It was close enough....

Ironically though you are guilty of the exact behavior you are accusing me of....

I mean whats more petty,PATHETIC and embarrassing than making a Spite thread where you say "Too bad Endgame ONLY made 350 M on opening instead of 358 M"....and Then never owning it when the actuals came in a day later when EG in fact made 357 .3 M....

so no queen I'm not "Pathetic" enough to pull a "You" move and not give you credit for making a good prediction and getting so close that I'm more than Willing to admit you were right...

I would never pull an "Endgame" type Pathetic Move like that...

I give you full credit for your 1st Prediction...

Its your 2nd prediction which held more weight that You Missed WORSE than me that were Badly WRONG about

again....Its quite sad your trying to claim a victory here and are trying to play a victim wanting credit...and AGAIN accusing me of behavior YOU are KNOWN for....

I was wrong about basically everything I said

You were right about your 1st Prediction, but The KILLED it by Missing BADLY(worse than me) on your 2nd prediction...

No one won......

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It wasn't a "prediction" idiot! I was commenting on a fluid situation. I was talking about the online chatter and that some were saying it was going to be a 22 million Friday which would make for a 70 million dollar weekend. Sure...I thought it was very possible.

I started the thread because I agreed with the chatter that the industry projections were probably 15-20 million too low. Later I said that others are calling it a 22 million Friday which of course would jack it up to 70 million.

YOU were the only person making definite, ABSOLUTE statements and turning it into an aggressive "I win you lose" challenge and the hilarious thing is that I ende3d up a lot "closer" than you did any way you slice it.

For the last time STOP LYING...you said that "I win only if it gets ANYWHERE CLOSE(those were YOUR EXACT WORDS) to 57-70 million. You even included that 70 million in the range. Why do you think I have all of those deleted posts? Yes, I was taunting you because you were the one being a prick totally unprovoked by me in the first place. Why did I copy your posts from that day for all to see? I even said that "I better copy these posts before billd does his usual edits ". Shortly after I did that the mods started their deleting.

The whole time you were quiet as a church mouse.

And THAT, folks, is the TRUE story and the timeline of deleted posts in that thread speaks volumes.

End of.

Liar.

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It wasn't a "prediction" idiot! I was commenting on a fluid situation. I was talking about the online chatter and that some were saying it was going to be a 22 million Friday which would make for a 70 million dollar weekend. Sure...I thought it was very possible.

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It was a Prediction...

You saw New, Updated Information and Then Came back To TROLL and claim That film was "Blowing" up and then predicted a 70 M and 400 M domestic Total...

Theres no getting around it....

You made a EXCELLENT 1st prediction and then Blew it while trying TROLL and RAISE your prediction...

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YOU were the only person making definite, ABSOLUTE statements and turning it into an aggressive "I win you lose" challenge and the hilarious thing is that I ende3d up a lot "closer" than you did any way you slice it.

^^^

Actually, and again I feel "Dirty" for saying this, But based on the rules I set...YOU LOST and I won.....as I specifically said "as long as Joker doesnt end up between 57 to 62 M, I win and YOU Lose"

but as Ive told you, I'm not that desperate and would never claim such a desperate victory

Its also worth noting "You did not end up closer"

you CHANGED your prediction when Newer Projections came in...Your 1st prediction was "close"....but You Torpedoed that when you CHANGED your prediction, Your 2nd Prediction, which was based on newer,updated Information, Held more Weight, and This Prediction YOU MISSED worst than Me

I Missed by 6.5 M...I thought Joker would at best come in around 49 M....

Your 2nd Prediction, You looked at the new data and calculated Joker was now heading for a 70 M 400 Million domestic total....You MISSED by 14.5 Million and Maybe 60 to 70 M domestically..

Hilariously You didnt end up closer, You Sabotaged YOURSELF and KILLED a potential clear "WIN" which resulted in You going from "Damn near Nailing it" to "Missing Worse than Me"

For the last time STOP LYING...you said that "I win only if it gets ANYWHERE CLOSE(those were YOUR EXACT WORDS) to 57-70 million. You even included that 70 million in the range. Why do you think I have all of those deleted posts? Yes, I was taunting you because you were the one being a prick totally unprovoked by me in the first place. Why did I copy your posts from that day for all to see? I even said that "I better copy these posts before billd does his usual edits ". Shortly after I did that the mods started their deleting.

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I at no point ever commenting on "If YOU WIN"

I only ever laid out a rule set of "as long as Joker doesnt end up between 57 to 62 M....I win and YOU LOSE"

You are now either completely LYING or are very confused

I never gave any way for "YOU to WIN"

I was so sure Joker wasnt going to get close to your 57 to 62 M prediction, The thought of outlining a way you could "win" wasnt even in my thoughts...

I only ever said "I win and YOU LOSE"

If your not intentionally Lying, I think you may be confusing the way I use "It wont even get close"

You seem to be irrationally stuck on Me saying "If it gets close you win"

Those words were never even remotely spoken.

If you'll remember what brought this up was Me Answering you...

You replied to me by saying something like "Bill dont you think you should wait until the acuals comes before you say I'm wrong"

and I replied with

"Nope....Because I dont care about how much the film makes, I only care about you being wrong"...I then said "Could Joker go up slightly and hit 48 or 49 M, sure, But I dont care...I only care about you being wrong"

I then said "and I dont need to wait for acuals because Joker has ZERO CHANCE of going up as much as you predicted, Joker wont GET CLOSE to your 57 to 62 M predictions"

I then ended with "so no Queen I dont need to wait for actuals, I only care about you being wrong and as long as Joker doesnt end up between 57 to 62 M ....I WIN and YOU LOSE"


and I was wrong about all that....You were damn close....

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I was dead wrong about Joker "having NO/ZERO chance" and saying "It wont Get close"

you made a Great 1st prediction, and I was entirely wrong about everything I said.....

But you are completely confusing or Lying about the way I used "It wont get close"

I saw no possible way of you being right....ZERO....therefor I did not and would not have set a rule set for You to "WIN or be right"

I never said "If it gets close...you win"

I was 1000% sure Joker Would NOT get close and said that to you...

I only ever laid out a rule set for me to win....because I was 1000% sure I was going to Win....and that rule set was "as long as Joker doesnt end up between 57 to 62 M...I win and you lose"

Queen you dont need to keep fighting this or lying about this....I'm not claiming I won....

I know when you see this --"as long as Joker doesnt end up between 57 to 62 M...I win and you lose"

It looks like you lost...But thats not even remotely what I'm saying...I was so far off and you were so close, I would have 100% considered this A "WIN" for YOU had you not changed your prediction...

so dont think I'm claiming "I Won" when I say it, I'm only telling you what I said.

you dont need to keep lying or fighting, I'm not claiming just because you were off by 1.5 M that I WON....You Nailed your 1st prediction....You just forfeited the WIN by changing to your 2nd prediction



The whole time you were quiet as a church mouse.

^^^

because as I said I was with my step brother and 2 nieces for 5 and 1/2 days out of town at a comic convention

Queen think before posting...if your going to use "me disappearing" as prove I was wrong or embarrassment...make sure it makes

Why would I need to hide when The exact Information I'm using now could have been used IMMEDIATELY the day after we talked

I didnt need to wait 10 days for Jokers box office to give me some kind of excuse

Joker didnt hit the 57-62 Million and then 70 Million you predicted 1 day after we had our conversation....

I could have immediately come back and said what Im saying now....I had no reason to hide or be embarrassed...You were just as WRONGas I was 10 days ago from the start...I had no reason to WAIT......EXCEPT.....I was away with family...

for example, If you really wanted to suggest I was "embarrassed and Hiding"...you would need something to point out ....

example being, If I came back with some excuse that ONLY just now makes sense...Lets say I had been gone for 12 days, and then came back and started making fun of you because you missed on Joker 4th week box office...

The would be a clear indicator, I may have been embarrassed and was upset and waiting for you to be wrong about something with Jokers Box office and then "returned" to now bring up this "New" fail of yours...

But that not even close to what happened...

I had no reason to "hide or be embarrassed" because you MISSED just as badly as I did....1 day after both of us made our predictions, we both Disastrously MISSED....

lol think before posting....

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LOL...uh...no...I wasn't "confused" at all when I was COPYING YOUR POSTS about "as long as you don't get anywhere close to 57-62 million you lose" and mercilessly taunting you!

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

So you couldn't wait to "see me lose" and you conveniently are at a "comic book convention" 9:00 am when the numbers are released and you don't have one post when you had just posted hours earlier guaranteeing that I was going to lose in a contest I wasn't even participating in? Were you at that convention the day before when you were making these "challenges"? Other posters are seeing YOUR POSTS and MY MERCILESS TAUNTING and saying "Yeah it looks like you won" and "looks like billbrown has turns tail and ran". NOT ONE person is saying "Hey...billbrown said it had to fall within 57-62 million so you lost". No...because it was plain to see and I COPIED YOUR POST about it.

Say...don't those conventions usually happen on weekends? You became unable to communicate at JUST the time the numbers were released? Was your phone/tablet/laptop incapacitated for a whole week? Not one gloating post?

What convention was this and where?

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Let's narrow down this 5 1/2 day trip/convention where you couldn't make ONE POST once the numbers were released.

Where was it and what were the dates? This stuff is easy to verify online. Well...that is unless it's something like "confirmed reports" of a "special deal" Disney got for The Lion King. Now THAT has been proven to be impossible I have to say.

LOLOLOL

Ok...so...I'm waiting for the location and dates of this comic book convention and the reason that you posted RIGHT UP to the moment of the numbers being released and then ...nothing.

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Is your only access online a desktop so when you go on a "5 1/2 day" trip to a comic book convention you are unable to post? I am guessing you left mid-morning that Sunday because you had NO PROBLEM posting these challenges JUST HOURS BEFORE THAT?

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While I wait for the dates/location of this "out of town comic book convention" I have to say it's strange to UNILATERALLY set up a challenge with someone where EVERYTHING HINGES on the numbers being released at a KNOWN, SET TIME(Mid Morning Sunday) and you make NO MENTION that you will not be "there for it".

Not one post saying y'know "Hey...I'm going to be traveling the next few days so we'll reconvene on this next week so I can rub your loss in your face". Nope...instead you were talking about how you couldn't wait for the numbers come out so you "could see me lose" And then they come out and they are 55 million and you have nothing to say?

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Now...looking at your posting history you directed not one post at me until two days ago. And it STILL wasn't even about this "challenge" I supposedly "lost". You just couldn't resist getting your usual lie machine up and running when you saw Norrinrad saying I bested you in a challenge. Many, many days after you had supposedly returned from this "out of town comic book convention".

YOU...of all people...would STILL not comment on this "victory" you said "you couldn't wait for"?

Ok...I'll patiently wait for this "out of town comic book convention" date and location info.

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5 1/2 day trip for an "Out of town comic book convention", huh? So I guess it began that Sunday morning when the numbers were released and you got back...what...Thursday night or Friday morning?

Must have been a big convention if you had to go out of town for it?

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Not sure what resolution, solution, closure or recognition you're seeking to achieve QueenFanUSA but it might be time to just make a statement, establish a set of facts and truths and move on to the next Marvel/Disney production to lampoon.

You're no longer talking about the Joker, Black Widow, Maleficent or box offices. While I enjoy seeing you melt down like this, I also think you're losing perspective.

You two don't have to get a divorce but you might just have to agree to disagree. There is no need to die on this hill as there are so many more kerfuffles you two are going to get into.

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Fair enough, Norrinrad.

;)

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I still want the location and dates for the 5 1/2 day trip/convention, though.

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[–] QueenFanUSA (2430) 10 minutes ago
I still want the location and dates for the 5 1/2 day trip/convention, though.
No you don't. That isn't remotely what you want.

You want to prove, in some way shape or form, that BillBrown is lying. Like I said, "this is personal for you". I haven't counted the number of posts that you have made to him on this thread but you're not Perry Mason and he isn't going to confess on the witness stand! BillBrown7071 is NOT Colonel Jessup, he's not going to confess to ordering a "Code Red".

You'd be better off PMing him all day and airing out this issue privately, than thinking that on a public forum you two will reach some type of epiphany.

This is the worst type of trolling behavior that you are exhibiting. I know you like seeing your threads bumped and on top but this type of notoriety warrants you no good or positive accolades. 😎

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Well...he IS lying. Just Sayin'.

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You can see EARLY ON in the Chatter thread that there is some deleted back and forth between us but a post that they left has me saying "Don't say I didn't warn you, bill." It's RIGHT before the numbers were about to be released mid-morning...and then...NOTHING from you.

The timeline says it all. You said that all you wanted was just to "see me lose" and that as "long as it didn't get ANYWHERE CLOSE to 57-70 million" you "won". And the 55 million number came in and whaddaya know...you DISAPPEARED. LOL Now...why is that? If you had set the strict, "has to fall between 57-62 million" like you CLAIM NOW(which you know is a lie) it seems like YOU would have had at least ONE post relishing your "victory", right?

Instead...I',m the one that was taunting YOU because I KNEW you had said "as long as it isn't anywhere close to 57 million". It's one of the reasons I said I was copying your posts for posterity before you started editing them like you have in the past. WHY would I do that if you had posted it HAD to be at least 57 million? Why was I the one taunting YOU in a challenge that YOU threw at ME if I had fallen out of your parameters of "victory"?

Of course, it's because you are LYING yet again, bill. But...there's about as much of a chance of you ever owning up to this as your LIE about "confirmed reports" about a "special deal" Disney got for The Lion King.

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What you are DOING NOW, LYING about never saying "anywhere close to 57 million", is EXACTLY why I copied your posts that morning because
I.

KNOW.

YOU.

...and you would have edited out the "anywhere close" line and made it what you are saying now that unless it fell between 57-70 million(yes you included that as well eventually) then you "won" and I "lost".

I mean...you made such a fool out of yourself...that's the whole point. You created a challenge where YOU were the ONLY ONE PARTICIPATING and still "lost"!

How funny is that?

I even gave you ample warning on at least two occasions to change your one-sided and unasked-for "challenge" so you could save just a little face to no avail!




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Just like with your "confirmed reports" of a "special deal" Disney got for The Lion King...I know that YOU know that I KNOW you are a liar. LOL...hope that makes sense?


LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

You know that I know that you are a liar so you try to plead your case to other people that frankly don't give a damn.

It's sad, really.

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Once again billbrown...you LIE.

How shocking.

I didn't "predict" 70 million 2nd weekend nor did I "guarantee" a 400 million domestic total. I said they were "possible".

I wish the mods hadn't deleted all of those posts because really more than anything...you made a massive fool of yourself.

I had started a thread about how much online chatter there was that the industry forecasts of a 42 million 2nd weekend were way too low and many thought it would end up 15-20 million higher than that. I said I tended to agree with that.

YOU came at me saying that there is "Zero chance" of it getting "anywhere close" to that 57-70 million range and "at best" may top out at 48-49 million. AT BEST you said. You said that if it "didn't get close" to 57 million than "I win and you lose".

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

I would have to say that "YOU LOST" a competition a I didn't ask for...you just imposed it on us.

Now I know you feel embarrassed and stupid about that whole situation That's why you disappeared for a week or so.

I KNEW you would try to lie about it but I just don't care. You've lost credibility with me a long time ago. You're just a liar. It's as simple as that.

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So let me get this straight. You just typed this:

[–] QueenFanUSA (2409) 40 minutes ago
Once again billbrown...you LIE.

How shocking.

I didn't "predict" 70 million 2nd weekend nor did I "guarantee" a 400 million domestic total. I said they were "possible".

I wish the mods hadn't deleted all of those posts because really more than anything...you made a massive fool of yourself.
In reference to this:
[–] QueenFanUSA (2409) 13 days ago
Ok guys...apparently this movie is blowing up today. Lots of chatter on Box Office Theory that this could be a 22 million dollar Friday and 70 million weekend heading to an eventual 400+ million domestic.

This. Is. Stunning. Guys.

This has transformed into a cultural phenomenon.
Now yes I did go to public schools and I am pretty good at playing "Where's Waldo" with my kids, but for the life of me I can't find the word or phrase: "Possible" any where within that NOT deleted post by the moderators?! It is in the "Lots of Chatter" thread for your reference. So what is exactly your position? I even asked you about that statement in another post of yours that I replied to:
WB/DC should still be excited for what that portends financially.

Spider-Man was at -37.8% $114,844,116 $71,417,527 3,615 $403,706,375 5/03/02 and it's that $400 Million mark domestic I think you are hoping for. Aren't you?
So, uh yeah, you pretty much put out some challenges and staked some bragging rights categories as to boxOffice performance and heights that you said The Joker would achieve. And of course it was competitive based and you never said "Possible". 😎

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There was a lot of chatter about a possible 70 million but I didn't predict it. I was commenting on how it seemed to be blowing up. I said that I "tend to agree with" those that thought 42 million was about 15-20 million too low.

Then...out of nowhere...billbrown comes on to the thread saying there is "zero chance" that it comes in 57-70 million which is the range I thought was possible but It was not a solid prediction I was ruminating on a very fluid situation.

HE is the one that made it a cut-and-dried challenge and said that unless it "doesn't GET CLOSE to that 57-70 million range" that "HE wins and I lose".

It's like...oooookaaaaay. And the funny thing is that it came in very close to 57 million so by his own standards that he set for a game I WASN'T EVEN ACTIVELY PLAYING "I won". That's why he went lights out for a week. I mean NOT A PEEP once the numbers were released.

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I said that many were saying it "could" be a 22 million Friday and 70 million weekend. That's the same meaning as "possible". I did not "guarantee"(billbrown's lying words" a 70 million weekend or 400 million domestic total.

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[–] QueenFanUSA (2414) an hour ago
I said that many were saying it "could" be a 22 million Friday and 70 million weekend. That's the same meaning as "possible". I did not "guarantee"(billbrown's lying words" a 70 million weekend or 400 million domestic total.
QueenFanUSA, I never read BB's words or the back-n-forth between you two. I read this:
[–] QueenFanUSA (2414) 13 days ago
Ok guys...apparently this movie is blowing up today. Lots of chatter on Box Office Theory that this could be a 22 million dollar Friday and 70 million weekend heading to an eventual 400+ million domestic.

This. Is. Stunning. Guys.

This has transformed into a cultural phenomenon.
This.
Is.
Stunning.
Guys.

"This has transformed into a cultural phenomenon", sounds like a full throated endorsement of $70 Million and $400 Million. That didn't sound like it was stunning because there was chatter? You punctuated those words to make a point and what appeared to me as an endorsement and your agreement.

Again, you weren't stating that it was "Stunning" that there was chatter but that the $70 and $400 was happening. You left that out there even when I asked you a follow up question but you decided not to clarify.
Spider-Man was at -37.8% $114,844,116 $71,417,527 3,615 $403,706,375 5/03/02 and it's that $400 Million mark domestic I think you are hoping for. Aren't you?
Weren't you? It is indeed common for you to just ignore any questions that I have in an attempt to avoid a back and forth conversation that would lead to understanding with you or common ground, and I'm always very civil with you. 😎

One additional point: "I know you now know that you know that I know you know that I know that BillBrown7071 knows that you BOTH know that this debate between BillBrown7071 and QueenFanUSA has little if anything to do with movies and is known to be, well, personal between you two."

That's how the "I know you know" is done. Don't try that without a license. 😎

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I was seeing the same chatter online later in the day from the same people that were scoffing at 42 million. I initially came out and said that I tend to agree with these people...that the forecasts are about 15-20 million short and that it was heading to a 57-62 million. I wasn't coming out with a bold "prediction" but was definitely inclined to believe that this was going to happen. I wasn't challenging" anyone regardless whatever motivations you want to ascribe to me.

Billbrown comes in and throws down the gauntlet saying it has "zero chance" of happening and that unless hit "gets anywhere close to 57-62" HE wins and I "lose. Ooookaaaay...that's like from the Book of WTF? Iwasn't "trolling" or being aggressive with my thread...I wass just throwing out there that the industry projections seem to be really low and there are a lot of people online talking about it. Some people were hearing that it was going to be a 22 million Friday later in the day which would probably mean around a 70 million weekend. I posted that this COULD happen and I absolutely thought it was possible at that point. That does not take away my beginning 57 million it simply expanded upwards to a wider possible range.

Billbrown was the ONLY person making absolute concrete predictions and talking about "winners" and "losers". The IRONY is that HE created a "contest" that I didn't even JOIN IN ON! LOL. And I was the person that was much closer to "winning" than he was! Now that's funny.

And he can keep lying about not saying "as long as it's not anywhere close to 57-62 million" all he wants...he knows he said it. He didn't say it HAD to be between 57-62 million, he said "anywhere close" and I think the actual total of 55.8 million qualifies don't you? I mean it was HIS stupid contest to begin with.

Why do you think I have so many posts that day in that thread(that got deleted)??? Yes...I admit...I was taunting him at that point because he had aggressively come at ME

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Like always and it had blown up SPECTACULARLY in his face.

I even copied and posted all that he had written that day and then shortly after the mods took it down. Bill had gone radio silent...and that says it all about that day.

Oh...I know...he says he was at a "5 1/2 daycomic book convention" I guess he left for that right when the weekend numbers came in. LOL

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I didn't "predict" 70 million 2nd weekend nor did I "guarantee" a 400 million domestic total. I said they were "possible".

^^^

Nope...

You originally Predicted 57 to 62 Million....

Then you saw Deadlines mid day projections and came back and claimed....

"Ok guys this is blowing up and becoming Cultural event(or something like that)...Joker is now set for a 70 M 2nd weekend and 400 Million domestically"

^^thats what you said

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I had started a thread about how much online chatter there was that the industry forecasts of a 42 million 2nd weekend were way too low and many thought it would end up 15-20 million higher than that. I said I tended to agree with that.

YOU came at me saying that there is "Zero chance" of it getting "anywhere close" to that 57-70 million range and "at best" may top out at 48-49 million. AT BEST you said. You said that if it "didn't get close" to 57 million than "I win and you lose".


^^^

this almost exactly true except you changed 1 GIANT detail

My words were "as long as Joker doesnt end up between 57 to 62 million....I win and you Lose

Now, I'm not even going to remotely try to claim I was right here, because
A. I wasnt
and B. I'm not as desperate as you...

But the facts are YOU were NOT right either...

We Both Missed BADLY!

I was completely WRONG about Joker not getting close or having Zero chance at hitting the 57 to 62 Million you predicted and then later changed to 70 Million.

You got very close here, and your first initially prediction of 57 to 62 Million was very close, Had you simply stopped here, I would have no problem just giving you a clear WIN and admitting I was 100% wrong.

but you let your TROLLING get the best you, You changed your "1st, very good prediction" and then came back with A New "70 M prediction and 400 M domestic prediction."

I'm sorry This KILLS Your "potential Win"...You set it on fire and burned it down with a Disastrously awful new Prediction


I'm man enough to admit, I was Wrong, I MISSED Badly, I was completely wrong about "Joker having Zero chance" and "Not getting close" to your 1st initially 57 to 62 Million prediction...

you need to be man enough now and admit you completely torpedoed your Potential Win by getting too excited and going TROLL crazy and Upping your Prediction to heights that Joker proved to have no shot at....

You were wrong too and MISSED Badly

Joker made more than I was Expecting

and Joker didnt Make as much as you were expecting..


This was a draw or "No contest"

somehow, though you managed to take a rare case where you didnt FLAT out LOSE and Turn it into an embarrassing LOSE


If theres anything worse than losing..Its Pretending YOU WON...

I havent even remotely claimed I was right about anything, I 100% admitted I missed and was wrong, I'm accepting I was Wrong here, But I didnt LOSE.....and I didnt Win either

You on the other hand, arent admitting you were wrong about anything, Your trying to make excuses for changing your predictions and most embarrassing your trying to claim A "Win" when you were just as wrong as I was
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I would have to say that "YOU LOST" a competition a I didn't ask for...you just imposed it on us.


^
again I feel "dirty" for even saying this but I specifically said "I'm dont care what the movie makes, I only care about you being wrong Queen" I then said "as long as Joker doesnt come in between 57 to 62 M....I win and You Lose.

again I feel dirty saying this, because this is a "YOU" type move...But Joker came in at 55 M....The rules I set, I technically WON...Now Im in no way claiming the victory because I did not even remotely expect Joker to get close....Buuuuuuuuut You can not claim I LOST a competition I started, When I set a very specific rule set of "as long as Joker doesnt come in between 57 to 62 M...I win and You Lose"

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If I were desperate and sad like you, I could claim Victory here...But i'm not

even though Joker came up short of the 57 Million you predicted, Theres no way I can claim victory because Joker completely exceeded my expectations and Got very close to your Prediction, You actually made a very good "1st" prediction(but Unfortunately torpedoed it with your 2nd "TROLLING" prediction)


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Now I know you feel embarrassed and stupid about that whole situation That's why you disappeared for a week or so.


^^went to a comic book convention with my step brother and 2 Nieces in a different state...stayed for a total of 5 and 1/2 days

In the future, dont accuse someone of something you are The KiNG OF Queen...

lol You still havent returned to the Captain Marvel board after IMMEDIATELY disappearing the moment CM topped WW domestically

You Abandoned The Toy Story 4, Aladdin and Endgame Boards The Moment EG topped Avatar, The Moment TS4 topped 800 M(which you claimed was the high end) and When Aladdin easily passed your Break Even Point

You are the KING of disappearing to avoid embarrassment, Its very Odd you would call someone else out for something you could literally trademark

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I KNEW you would try to lie about it but I just don't care. . You're just a liar. It's as simple as that


^^Im sorry, But YOU are the ONLY one here who is a KNOWN, Caught, Intentional Liar!

I mean you are the person that was caught RED HANDED making up a LIE about Box office.coms 1st Projections for Captain Marvel

and Then Hilariously You Made up another LIE in an attempt to cover up your first LIE which You were then caught RED handed again when you claimed "well it may not have been thier 1st week projections, but they definitely projected 160 M I saw it".....I then provided every single bo.com projection from their vault proving you LIED TWICE.

Queen you need to come up with something better than accusing people of Lying and Editing Posts....

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You've lost credibility with me a long time ago


^^^

Queen I want you to ask yourself this one serious Question?

Do you think there is anyone, Literally one person that finds you credible?

after Being Wrong over 400 times, after Missing by 50 to 80 Million On films Opening Weekends over 13 times, after Trolling Of Disney Films that nearly all top 1 Billion +, after Getting brutally made fun of and mocked on a daily basis....do you honestly think there is anyone on this forum LESS credible than you

Queen you have failed and been wrong worse than any Troll I've ever seen.....It is TROLLING at the highest possible level for you to even talk about "credibility"



Epic, Epic Fail Queen











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I never "changed my prediction of 57 to 62 million" I said it "could" end up as high as 70 million.

YOU are the one that said it had "ZERO CHANCE" of even hitting 57 million. That "AT BEST" it would top out at 48-49 million.

YOU SAID the only way I could "win" was if it got "anywhere close to 57-70 million".

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Liar.

You said as long as it "doesn't get ANYWHERE CLOSE to 57-70 million I win and you lose" You said "ANYWHERE CLOSE".

ALSO

You said there is "ZERO CHANCE" of it getting that high and that "AT BEST" it will hit 48-49 million.

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its a very good drop cause, families can't see it. CBM are traditionally very front loaded also.

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Indeed.

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You trying to suggest Joker want record breaking?
Its the most successful October movie in history...

Beside the facts, lined up to win a bunch of awards.

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No, I am saying this is an extraordinary success and that small of a drop for a CBM on it's 2nd weekend is nearly unheard of.

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I wonder why they chose this time of year for its release, instead of either summer or Christmas.

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It's not exactly a Christmas movie.

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-37% 2nd weekend hold
posted 11 days ago by QueenFanUSA (2380)
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Almost unheard of for any kind of movie but especially a CBM.

Just...wow.
**Red Alert** **Red Alert** We stayed tuned and the news has been in for awhile and you were no where to be found.

You're going to have to change this thread to maintain any legitimacy. -37% is not accurate. Neither is -38%, neither is -39%, neither is -40%. Hell let's just cut to the chase and take the rounding error. It's a -42% 2nd weekend drop.

As most provocateurs and peddlers of dubious narratives are want to do the truth is a meaningless detail to opine about.

QueenFanUsa, it's okay. No one would have called you out on this. The numbers are the numbers and they are still good. It's just not as hyperbolically "WOW"-ing as you wanted it to be. 😎

Did that 5% swing make you feel sad or happy?

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Fixed.

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[–] QueenFanUSA (2384) 11 minutes ago
Fixed.
Yes, you edited your title to the post/thread but you didn't FIX your narrative.

Learn to be careful out there on the internet(s) when you're posting numbers and stating opinions based on numbers. 😎

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"Yes, you edited your title to the post/thread but you didn't FIX your narrative."

It doesn't need to be fixed. It's enjoyed stunning holds since it's release for a CBM.

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New low for queen editing posts now so you dont look the fool tut tut .

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It was an obvious, open edit I did at the urging of Norrinrad...not the sneaky, creepy edits that billbrown has done in the past.

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Opps so this isnt hot hot hot or red alert as queen said ? I can see someone crying themselves to sleep tonight , LOL as queen would say

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sorry add to delete the post made a small math error, I'll re-post soon

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[–] QueenFanUSA (2392) 41 minutes ago
It was an obvious, open edit I did at the urging of Norrinrad...not the sneaky, creepy edits that billbrown has done in the past.
Whoa, whoa, whoa there Coppolla!! (Said because of your, ahem, bet with another poster to direct and film a sex vdeo. 🤣)

Norrinrad never URGED you to do anything. I stated the following: "You're going to have to change this thread to maintain any legitimacy." I never told you to illegitimately edit anything.
[–] QueenFanUSA (2390) 8 minutes ago
"Yes, you edited your title to the post/thread but you didn't FIX your narrative."

It doesn't need to be fixed. It's enjoyed stunning holds since it's release for a CBM.
And here I thought your hobby was BoxOffice watching and your overall narrative was that you LOVED Disney and it was your favorite studio? Silly me, Tactics versus Strategy based on an Objective or Agenda.

Tactics: Present inflated (knowingly or unknowingly) WB/DC financial accomplishments as evidence of superiority over Disney/Marvel or compared to Disney/Marvel.

Strategy: A persistent, continuous and pernicious disinformation and misinformation campaign against Disney/Marvel while pretending to be a fan of Disney films to disguise an oft-stated Anti-Disney bias.

Objective: Bring down the Disney corporation (especially their Animation department) by creating as many negative "Opinion" postings as possible especially if the posts are NOT factual or even true?

Go to move: Troll Disney films and users of the forum by going board by board just prior to release of Disney and or Marvel films.

Favorite snarky statement: Hmmmmmmmmmmm, there are so many. 🤣

Main foil: BillBrown?
Current foe: Furiousstyles?

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QFUSA , wouldnt call it her he a foe , more of a andre cedeno type troll with very little intellect that talks utter garbage on a day by day basis that i love proving wrong and laughing at there failed predictions

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QFUSA , wouldnt call it her he a foe , more of a andre cedeno type troll with very little intellect that talks utter garbage on a day by day basis that i love proving wrong and laughing at there failed predictions
QueenFanUSA self-identifies as a "He" and far be it from me to state that "He" is a foe of yours. It is the other way around. QueenFanUsa I think has designated you as a nemesis or foe to make himself feel like a sympathetic victim.

Don't bring up Andre Cedeno or DCFanticArmy or AH_Fan. These forums aren't chock full of actually overly high-brow postings/posters but those guys/gals/or whatever just drag the conversation down to a level that isn't even worth the giggles and grins you get out of taunting them.

You're "HIS" foe he's not "Your" foe. 😎

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ok so I made this post earlier -------



Hey Queen did you hear the bad News?

Unfortunately WB Made a deal with Village Road to co finance Joker

So WB is going to be Splitting Revenue/Profit

Now, I dont want to pull a "You" and make a Huge Deal out of this and try to desperately spin this into a negative, I mean The facts are, Joker is a Grand Slam for WB and theres nothing that can change that

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut, this does come into effect FOR YOU because Unfortunately, This now takes WB out of The "Disney" type Profit

as you know, I haunt you quite often with Disneys Astonishingly high Profits made from its MCU films and also note WB seems to either be LOSING Money of DC films, Breaking Even, or only making Modest Profits...

again I've haunted you many times with Disney's
700 M+ profit on AEG
500 M+ Profit on AIW
500 M+ on The Avengers
480 M+ on BB
390 M+ on IM3
390 M+ on AOU
and 350 M+ on Captain Marvel

Ive often ended by asking the Question ? Will WB ever have Disney type success and Make 400 to 500 M+ in Profit on a DC film?

annnnnnd Joker Looked to be that Film.....

with a 62 M dollar Budget and 100 M+ Marketing campaign, Joker seemed Poised to net WB 400 to 500 Million in Profit...

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut, Unfortunately WB made a deal with Village Road where they now have to split this massive Profit and ENDS any chance of WB finally having "Disney Type Success" and Netting a Monster 400 or 500 M on a DC film.

in fact, Its entirely possible that somehow WB might only recognize 155 to 235 M in Profit from Joker.

going by your Own math you constantly set for Disney films, Jokers break even point must be around 324 Million.

I figure Joker is heading for a 900 M total(Maybe even 1 Billion)...Lets for the moment say 950 M though

that would mean, theres roughly 625 Million in Profit there, Which WB would get 50% of, and theaters would get the other 50%...

So WB would be looking at a GREAT 312 Million in Profit from Joker......EXCEPT, for some reason Wb made that deal to co finance Joker...

So Now WB has to Split that Remaining 312 Million in profit with Village Road, which could be anywhere from a 25 to 50% co financing deal...

So If The deal was for Village Road to co Finance 25% of Jokers Budget....WB has to give them 25% of Their back end profits...

which takes WB Great 312 M profit down to around 235 Million

Now what If It was a 50/50% co financing Split?....WBs profit just went from 312 M to 156 Million....

So somehow, Despite Joker being a runaway Grandslam in every possible way, WB is once again ONLY making a Modest Profit(remember even you claimed TS4 couldnt be considered a huge success if it only made 800 M and only netted a 200 M profit,you were not impressed with a 200 M+ profit and clearly the the standard it needed to make more)

So, from The Looks of it....WB is looking at a best case scenario of a profit between 156 to 235 Million on Joker...

again, complete Grandslam, no way trying to spin anything into a negative, I'm only bringing this up to HAUNT YOU....

for whatever reason WB just cant have "Disney type Success"....Id now like to Quote you, as you once said about Disney when you Pre-maturely thought Avengers Endgame wasnt going to top Avatar....You said "This was Disney's 1 shot, They'll never do it now'

likewise, I must say the same thing about WB .....Joker might have Been WBs "One shot at having Disney type success and Netting A Huge Disney Type Profit, They truly might NEVER do it now"

anyways If you could do a little research and try to find out exactly how much the co financing deal was, we'd then have a much better idea if WBs going to end up closer to 150 M in Profit or closer to 250 M...

If WB made a 50/50% co financing deal, Then Man, WB is literally going to make LESS than 200 Million in Profit from Joker...

But If WB made a 25% deal, WB might see around 235M....which Is GREAT...buuuuuuuuuuut along way from 700 M, or 500 M, Or 480 M, or 390 M or 350 M like Disney....

Let Me know what you find out...

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so again I made this Post earlier ^^^^^

Ironically....Deadline just released a detailed breakdown of exactly how much Joker is going to make and Profit

annnnnnnnd

Its even WORSE than I figured above...

Turns Out they Got Joker Netting a Total Profit of 464 Million....

They Got Jokers break even point at 287 Million.

and Joker Netting around 400 Million from Jokers Theatrical gross and around 65 Million more from TV revenue....

But Heres the KILLER....

Its worse than I thought above....WB went in on a 50% co financing Deal

WB co financed Joker With Both Village Road and Brom Studios both having a 25% stake...

SOOOOOOOOOOOO...

WB only recognizes 50% of Jokers Profit.

basically Based on Jokers 900 M+ theatrical total....WB is ONLY going to net around 200 M in Profit and then another 30 or so million from post theatrical revenue

So While In my post above I figured WB was going to net between 156 to 235 Million....

In comes in directly where I said, at around 230 M.

again a HUGE HIT....but due to WBs decision to Co Finance, WB wont Be netting 'Disney type Profit"....

just wanted to update that for you Queen...the article is on deadline if your interested....Word of advice though, read the whole article, dont get so excited by the title(remember what happened when you didnt read the whole article when Endgame came out and WRONGLY believed and guaranteed EG had no shot at a 300 M, because You only read the title and not the actual article, and you didnt realize The Title only shows "Half' of EGs Midnight totals)....theres a very important paragraph in the article that really changes everything

"These figures (see the full breakdown below) do not come from Warner Bros, Village Roadshow or Bron Studios directly, rather Deadline’s die-hard, reliable finance sources. Warners reduced its risk on the movie with Village Roadshow at 25%, and Bron Studios at 25%."

^heres the paragraph


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Yeah I now all about the co-financing, bill.

Saaaaayyy...Deadline says the breakeven point is 287 million?!?!?!?

But but but YOU said that marketing costs don't factor in to a film's profitability, remember???? Don't they know that with a 55 million production budget the breakeven is only around 110 million???


LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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Using YOUR idiotic financial model you need to push WB's profit over 300 million, bill. You know...because you said marketing costs don't count.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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Since Profit recognition and accounting has conveniently come up, I found the obvious stories very curious. Curious because of the level of detail that is being used and the determination by the writer to use such line-item specificity: From Deadline https://deadline.com/2019/10/joker-profit-global-box-office-avengers-1202767490/

Joker
Profit Statement

Domestic Box Office * 310M
International* 590M
China n/a
Global Box Office* 900M

Theatrical Revenue

Domestic Rentals 155M
International Rentals 266M

Home Entertainment & TV Revenue

Domestic Home Entertainment 75M
International Home Entertainment 71M
Domestic Free TV 25M
Domestic Pay TV 35M
International TV 124M

Total Revenues 750M

Costs

Production Cost 70M
Global P&A 120M
Participations/Residuals/Global
Home Ent. Costs 97M

Total Costs 287M
Profit 464M

* projected
WB and or Deadline decided to hype how profit is recognized and it isn't solely based, or in this case presented, on the basis of theatrical revenue alone. All of the various revenue streams are included to speak to overall Final profit. That was curious, very curious and reflects on the many debates as to Disney profitability and profit potential versus other studio's profitability, potential and revenue streams. Of course toys, merchandising, branding, theme parks, resorts are not included for Joker.

Clearly though every which way you can watch the film is captured in the profit model.

My Take: It would appear that the profit projections need to be made to appear very favorably with Avengers:Infinity War and the Model isn't based on the relative contracts between the two studios but on a 50/50 split for domestic exhibitors?
Breaking down Joker‘s numbers, global home entertainment revenues are poised to gross a combined $146M encompassing streaming, SVOD, PVOD and OTT. Warner Bros has some of the best international TV deals on the planet, near or behind Disney’s. Why is that? Because it provides a steady supply of premium product, particularly DC stuff, and foreign TV buyers are willing to pay top dollar for that to play on their shelf space. Hence, sources say Joker‘s foreign TV monies are at an estimated $124M net. Combined global video costs, plus talent participations and residuals, are set to amount to $97M. In terms of participations, sources tell me that Phillips is apt to reap the most.

These figures (see the full breakdown above) do not come from Warner Bros, Village Roadshow or Bron Studios directly, rather Deadline’s die-hard, reliable finance sources. Warners reduced its risk on the movie with Village Roadshow at 25%, and Bron Studios at 25%.
As you noted in another posting WB feared a loss and only financed 50% so they will only net 50% of some level of income or revenue (I guess) from the final total.

It was as if WB was trying to put a good face on a stupid investment. Let's hype up how The Joker did compared (relatively but not exactly) to Avengers:Infinity War and see if it gooses the box office. Conjecture, conjecture, conjecture, speculation on my part for that.

Also streaming is JUST around the corner and continued hype must be there for every product to drive subscriptions and tout Streaming strength and potential for every product.

I am curious as to what you think.

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marvel tards are in damage control big time...

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[–] JoWilli (554) 23 minutes ago
marvel tards are in damage control big time...
What is a marvel tard or maybe better stated who are the marvel tards that you are referring to? How would we know one when we read a post and finally, what do you mean by "Damage Control"?

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you are i are both aware that you know what I am talking about but are playing dumb, this is a typical move by a marvel tard. sounds like you are in damage control about the the success of another DC hit, more than likely DC movies from now on will make in the range of one billion dollars, marvel tards are sad to hear this as their franchise is failing as we speak. more than likely they will spin all the damage control terminology to justify why their franchise is on the downfall. in conclusion marvel tards are very sad and will be into 2020.

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Whats this conversation got to do with Marvel? This is a discussion about Jokers box office profit with a troll named QFUSA?

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its amazing how the marvel tards come out of the woods when someone says marvel tard...

btw QFUSA is not a troll, his predictions are pretty accurate...

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Hahahaha , hahahaha , hahaha funniest thing ive heard in a long time, like how he predicted captain marvel wouldnt beat wonder woman? Or how end game wouldn't beat avatar? The list is endless, i can only assume this is a sock account of queensfanusa, haha

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Scorsese and Coppola both confirmed that marvel movies are not real movies. thats pretty embarrassing I think.

people were led to believe that CM was required viewing before watching Endgame, which it wasn't. CM had like 3 minutes of screen time anyways. people like WW better as you can see below, stupendous scores from critics and audience...

WW - 93%
TOMATOMETER
Total Count: 438
88%
AUDIENCE SCORE


CM - 78%
TOMATOMETER
Total Count: 497
53%
AUDIENCE SCORE


Endgame was re-released again with a whopping 30 seconds of extra footage which drew in marvel tards to pay another 15 bucks to see the same movie again. pretty good ploy in my books, Avatar was released to less theaters as well, all in all Avatar is a higher grossing movie than endgame, this is based on real science...

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The fact that you use the term Marveltard in your post , im going to assume you're one of those angry butthurt DCEU teenage fanboys that cant wait to be an adult.

As for Scorsese , his words have been taken out of context , he sais Marvel movies are well made but are saturating and dominating the market , these are popcorn movies ones that are highly entertaining and successful, we had westerns in the 50s, sci fi in the 70s/80s now we have CBMs with Marvel leading the way.

And whilst WW scores are higher than CM, it still couldnt beat CM BO

Endgame is the highest grossing movie ever, that is fact , nothing you spin will change that, DC on the streets, Marvel in the sheets, game set match.

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