"This is a movie for people who like to blame their problems on others."
Or so I've heard.
Is that an apt description, or not?
So politicians?
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Yes and no for some depending on their mindset, either Joker is like he is because he slipped through the cracks and was let down by society (others fault), or Joker is like he is because instead of picking himself up and making his life work he decided to play the victim and act out on it (personal choice).
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Arthur was insane, either due to a defect or brain damage caused by physical abuse...
Certainly some bad people, but did his neighbor deserve to die?
Did his workmate deserve to be butchered for being a casual asshole?
Did he have to chase down the 3rd guy in the subway?
His lack of meds let his true self come out completely, at which point everything was a joke.
Life, death. existence, the point of it, the lack of it... everything was a comedy to him at that point.
Yep and that is where those chats come in on here that I mentioned and why it works both ways.
If the clinic wasn't closed and he still got his meds equals society letting him slip through the cracks while also equally being said is that others have gone through similar and turned out okay so he could have as well.
In the end what Joker said in Killing Joke talking to Batman sums it up perfectly:
But my point is... My point is, I went crazy. When I saw what a black, awful joke the world was, I went crazy as a coot! I admit it!
In some ways Jokers story is a lot like Walter White's in Breaking Bad (if the story is as told by Joker), Walter ends up where he is because he can't afford the medical treatment, Joker ends up where he is because he will no longer be able to get his meds. While along the line both would have had a choice in some way to not end up on the path they did, however the insanity of the world they were caught up in drove them to become what they became (granted Walter went mad with power but still it's a madness). share
Avery large portion of the fan base is, indeed, that. Misplaced psychological entitlement bait. However, Phoenix does a pretty good job in this. People complain that it starts slow but gets good. IMO, the best stuff is early and then it gets ridiculous near the end and slightly eye-rolling. It is good but not great. I don't like it as a Joker movie but it is a serviceable film.
C+ (but A grade for Phoenix's acting)
It's one way to see it, but I think it's a wrong angle that misses the point of the movie completely.
The point of the movie is far more provocative than the question who is to blame. It actually just says that there is liberation in violence, period. Or perhaps, even more radical than this. You can interpret it as saying that every social norm is just a bullshit narrative and that violence is the only thing that is real.
The saying "No man is an island" is turn. It means that no person is self-made because we're connected to others.
In our culture, when someone is really depressed, flips out, etc they are expected to be an island though. That's just a way to blame the victim when in reality his support system should be blamed too.
That's what this movie is about. He never had support, tried hard to be nice, got kicked around too much, started seeing life as a sick joke, then went crazy.
That's real.
That would be an anti-Joker description.
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That being said, its all their fault!!