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The flawed basic premise


These creatures react to artificial or man made noise, but are blind. I think I would have been able to kill them in a week, maybe two tops.

We see the adults use an alarm clock and rockets to draw them off. At no point, did it not occur to them: "Hey, let's use noise to draw these things into a barn / bottom of a well / lake and then kill them with guns / arrows / gasoline / electricity!"

If there were thousands of these creatures, it might have been a problem. But there were only three in the immediate vicinity. It would have been easy to kill all three at once.

You could have used this concept on a bigger scale to kill hundreds or thousands. Draw them to an open field, drop a big ass bomb on them, rinse and repeat...

I can already anticipate the counter-argument that someone will bring up so I'll wait here til it comes and then punch a big hole through it too.

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1) The creatures have bulletproof armour. The mother kills one at the end because they frequency of the hearing-aid disrupts the creature's ability to keep its armour up.
2) Gunfire or noise would just attract even more creatures to the area
3) Regarding military response, we have to assume that the reason the creatures took over is because they reproduce extremely quickly, not just because they are bulletproof, fast and strong.

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1) dig a hole.
2) make a noise to get a creature in it.
3) set the hole on fire.
4) the noise of the fire attracts other creatures in, resulting in all creatures in the area burning.
5) you got some alien barbeque.

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I've read creator John Krasinski's comments on the backstory for this film. It goes something like this:

A decent sized asteroid impacts in Mexico. It destroys everything for hundreds of miles in every direction. That asteroid turns out to be a fragment of a distant extrasolar planet that was torn apart, perhaps by a black hole or collision with a rogue planet. These creatures were intelligent but pretechnological apex predators on their homeworld. Their armor is resilient enough to have protected them from the explosion of their planet, the journey through space, re-entry, and a high velocity impact. So yeah - it's incredibly tough. We don't know if they reproduce quickly or there were simply a lot of eggs delivered by that asteroid which were scattered about during atmospheric entry and then hatched.

Whatever the case, they overran the Earth very quickly. Cities became all-you-can-eat buffets for the creatures. Something like a MOAB - or of course a nuke - might kill them at very close range but small arms, .50 caliber rounds, even grenades and missiles, are useless. As Krasinski put it, until they expose themselves they're practically invulnerable. We've seen how fast they are when they move quickly. You can imagine hundreds or thousands of those things being drawn to the sound of the guns, tearing soldiers apart, ripping open tanks like tin cans (remember how the claws on one of them sliced right through that thick steel silo door?).

As we saw when people turned on their lights in a nightly show of solidarity, more survivors are out there than it appears at first. The smart and resourceful ones who came up with a system of doing what they need to do silently have survived. Probably 95% of the world's population, or more, are gone though. Government and military leaders may still be around, taking refuge in underground facilities like Cheyenne Mountain, but they're not going to be much help to the people outside.

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There are definitely questionable elements to the story though. It seems a little silly that they had to walk around barefoot all the time - sneakers aren't any noisier. And when human beings first determined these creatures used sonar to see, you'd think someone would've thought of high intensity sound as a way to "blind" or even incapacitate them. Just as animals like dogs with extremely sensitive hearing are vulnerable to high volume, high frequency sound. I would have expected the army to try that. Also when they open their mouths to eat you, how about firing your gun down their throat? That ought to work. And they do unfold some of their armor plates to expose the hearing organs while hunting. A sniper should be able to take them out from a safe distance.

Groups of people, both civilian and military, would develop tactics of diversionary noisemaking to cover the shooter's gunshot (on top of their using a silencer). As they got better they'd feel comfortable enough to move from defensive killings to going on the hunt themselves. Of course the aliens, being intelligent, communicate with each other and would be trying to figure out what you were doing. In other words you'd have to vary your tactics. They wouldn't keep falling for the same simple trap over and over again, and might even turn the tables if you weren't careful. Clever girl!

Another thing hinted at by John Krasinski was that the father was studying the aliens' vocalizations with his equipment, trying to learn their language. That could make for some interesting plot developments going forward. They've already got a sequel planned. It seems likely mother and daughter can handle the two creatures coming for them. But what will they do then? Abandon their home and go looking for other people? They can't be the only ones who have figured out how to kill the aliens. Maybe folks in other places have established an uneasy truce of sorts by killing enough of the creatures that they won't come too close to town anymore. Or the magnetic field they generate (which interferes with electronics) could be used by simple detectors to trigger ultrasonic shriekers that would drive them away. Set up a perimeter and as long as you had electricity they couldn't get past it.

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Yeah. Everyone in this world would be coming up with concepts based around sound making devices

* Bring some noise making toys with you at all times. In case you happen to make a noise that draws the monsters to you, just throw one of these toys as a "sound grenade" to divert the monster's attention.

* Place remote triggered sound devices everywhere in the area around your home, for the same purpose.

* Attract monsters to certain areas to attempt to destroy them, or just to study them. Use a drone, a kite with a speaker or whatever.
Being able to stand around silently and control a noise-making device would be very easy. And everyone would wanna study these monsters in order to figure out how they work, and what their weaknesses might be.

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I concur with all of this.

Another option that hasn't been mentioned here to get past their armour is poison, i.e. poison their food or water (if they drink it) supply. Or, possibly gas them somehow? Draw them into a cave/ enclosed area rigged with ammonia and bleach to create lethal chlorine gas.

Alternately, maybe car exhaust? (Although the noise of a running engine could be an issue by drawing more.)

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I think we should give the movie some benefit of the doubt here.
We can assume that biological warfare has already been attempted (it would not be that far of a step for the military to take. When they realized that bullets did not work on the monster's hard shells, they would have tried using some kind of small scale bio weapons)

> " Draw them into a cave/ enclosed area"
Yeah, just put a toy rocket inside a bomb shelter, let them walk in, close the door on them.

We know the monsters are quite powerful and can cut right through thin sheets of steel.
But the film didn't make it seem like they were so overpowered that they could smash through anything.
A huge ass bomb shelter door might stop them.

And even if you couldn't kill them, just being able to trap one would be a huge success.

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Yeah I'm sure those things probably couldn't get into a doomsday prepper style bunker. Anything that solidly built is also likely to be soundproof just by virtue of all the metal and thick concrete that goes into them. We can assume secure military installations like Cheyenne Mountain are still up and running, actively engaged in efforts to study the aliens and develop new weapons and tactics to kill them. Perhaps they figured out how to trap one of the creatures and have it prisoner down there for experimentation. If you restrained it properly (limbs and head pinned down) it wouldn't be able to bring its claws or teeth to bear and escape.

It's a safe bet this family isn't the only group of people out there who have hit upon the right sonic frequency range to taser the aliens. But watching the movie we only know as much as they know. And they haven't wandered far from home, because of the danger.

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> "We can assume secure military installations like Cheyenne Mountain are still up and running, actively engaged in efforts to study the aliens "

That's one thing I like about the film's premise. The fact that it takes place just a few years after the monster invasion started means that there could still be lots of organizations alive, who are working on a solution, but just are not there yet and/or can't communicate with the outside world. Just like in the Walking Dead.

In theory, maybe the world isn't even completely destroyed. Maybe it's just that the part where this family lives was hit extra hard, and aren't the top priority in terms of areas to rescue.

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I'm pretty sure most of the world is in bad shape and the majority of the population is dead. But even where they are, when you see those lights go on at sunset in a show of unity you realize there are more survivors around than the Walking Dead emptiness makes it seem. The ones who remain have routines like this family's, whatever works for them, and are able to do what they need to do silently.

This one mother and her kids can't be the luckiest people on the planet, to have discovered a logical line of attack that hurts the creatures. There may be whole towns and cities that are more or less intact, which have sonic perimeters installed to keep the nasty aliens out. That slight flickering of the power when they're nearby (a magnetic induction effect maybe) would allow simple electronic sensors to detect their approach and automatically trigger the nearby shriekers. These guys are smart. Like the movie's creator - the same guy who plays the father - said in an interview, they're sentient but at a pretechnological tribal level. So they don't understand how we do our black magic. Devices and machines are foreign to their way of thinking. But after a while they'd realize they couldn't get into a protected area and stop trying.

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The creature has problem damaging a pickup truck. Any military personnel in even a light armored vehicle would be imperviuos to the creatures and could easily trap them with that.

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We see the adults use an alarm clock and rockets to draw them off. At no point, did it not occur to them: "Hey, let's use noise to draw these things into a barn / bottom of a well / lake and then kill them with guns / arrows / gasoline / electricity!"


That would have done nothing besides move the aliens from location A to location B (which is what they did in the film, using the fireworks).

The movie clearly showed that only the particular frequency emitted by the hearing aid could paralyze the aliens and get them to open their impervious armour.

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No, we only saw that their armour was impervious to bullets. Armour resists kinetic energy to a point, but there's a limit to that. If it were infinitely impervious, it would have to be so thick as to be impossible for them to be built as they were.

It can't resist heat transfer. Fire, for example, might not burn them externally, but it would cook them internally THROUGH their armour. Similar to men inside a tank, the tank can stop bullets, but set it on fire and you cook the crew inside. Gasoline, jet fuels and similar burn at extremely high temps.

Do they breathe? If so they, can be asphyxiated or poisoned.

I could go on, but my bigger point is the plot flaw of the human group not using noise or sounds to their advantage. It's used as a plot device when it's convenient, but otherwise ignored when it's not. That's the sign of a script that needed more work.

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WTF are you even talking about?

The armour is shown as impervious during the film. The film's writer has described the alien's biological armour as harder than diamond, and that they arrived on Earth in asteroid, thus they didn't need to consume oxygen like human beings. It's why humans are living in fear of them...

Did you need some sort of expository scene from an extraterrestrial biologist (living on the farm? LOL) to spell out the strengths and weaknesses of the aliens?

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"WTF are you even talking about?"

Do people realize that on the Internet, this is the equivalent of screaming hysterically like a little girl?

It seems very important to you to be right about this... so fine, yes, you are right.

Now go outside and get some fresh air.

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Do people realize that on the Internet, this is the equivalent of screaming hysterically like a little girl?


No, that would be ignoring someone's point in favor of attempting an ad-hominem insult, like you just did.

Then again, if I failed to understand a basic B-grade sci-fi film, I'd probably be as embarrassed as you are, too...

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>The armour is shown as impervious during the film.

Actually it was not. There was not a single attempted attack on the armour in the movie.

>The film's writer has described the alien's biological armour as harder than diamond

We have bullets that can shatter diamonds.

>It's why humans are living in fear of them...

No, stupidity is why humans are living in fear of them.

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