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not really much better then the first


just watched this,

unnecessary gore, unnecessary childish jokes, awkward team but no real wow moments, big cast of stars but none of them really stood out, too long.

It was a simple story, high budget, decent CGI but even though it had everything thrown in ti, but felt kinda bland and boring.

I'd give it 5.75/10

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Were you 13 when you saw the first one?

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why do you ask?

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I thought the first one was one of the worst comic book movies of the last decade.

Some of the jokes fell flat and it did have a few pacing issues but overall I loved this movie and I’m glad it was R-rated with all the gore, it was a breath of fresh air for the genre.

It was so annoying when Venom was a PG-13, I’m glad Warner Bros. didn’t mandate that rating for this film.

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i have no issues with a movie being r-rated and having jokes that are right for the mood.

The first movie overall was bad but even then it had memorable moments in it.

This had pretty much nothing in it -the gore was added for the sake of gore, the jokes were added for the sake of jokes - rather then being part of the movie its like i need to put 1 joke in there every 5 minutes to make sure it seems like a comedy, the tone wasn't consistent form being jokey to all serious there was no transitions or even a real good story.

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Yup, agreed.

Also the only decent action sequence (given to Harley, of course) had no reason to be there. It was just kind of thrown in to give Harley a moment. But in the grand scheme of things it meant so little to what they were doing it was also quickly forgotten.

I didn't like the first Suicide Squad either, but I did enjoy the end part where Diablo fought the other creature. At least that was a character pay-off arc that was kind of cool and didn't completely undermine the character.

Captain Boomerang and a bunch of others died off in spectacularly lame ways and brushed over kind of stupidly to the point where it made it hard to care about the others. Too much plot armor, too.

Some people died pretty quick and others were able to withstand all sorts of punishment and over-the-top circumstances. While the first Suicide Squad was stupid and badly made, at least it was a bit more consistent than this film.

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I presume you mean the breakout scene - that moment was so cheesy and over the top and pretty much non-stop - its like she turned into a super soldier ninja or something.

before then she didn't really do much apart from being the flowery, rainbow and unicorns woman.

least she was kinda sexy and badass human in the first movie.

the first one there was more slow buildup and character building - even though it turned into a mess but you could see what they aimed for but didn't hit it all.

This was a simple movie that tried hard to be everything for everyone.

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I presume you mean the breakout scene - that moment was so cheesy and over the top and pretty much non-stop - its like she turned into a super soldier ninja or something.


Yeah exactly. I was a little distracted and didn't properly clarify my point, but you understood exactly what I was talking about despite my completely vague description (in some ways it's kind of indicative of how few notable action sequences were actually in the film).

least she was kinda sexy and badass human in the first movie.


Yeah, she was still the most useless character on the team next to Captain Boomerang, but you could absolutely understand WHY you would have someone like that as an expendable member on the team. And yeah, she was 100% sexy in the first film. In this film she had no real sex appeal and her usefulness to the team was even less so than the first film (especially considering that Polka Dot Man literally could have killed the star fish on his own along with the help of Ratcatcher 2).

This was a simple movie that tried hard to be everything for everyone.


Yup. It definitely reminded me of Guardians of the Galaxy 2; there was too much going on and not enough worth caring about.

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literally that scene and the bloodsport/peacemaker are the only real action scenes in the movie that stand out (harley one for wrong reason) - with another 1 or 2 half assed scenes which is the problem - with a big cast of characters you expect a few good quality action scenes and save the best fight for the end.

I was so looking forward to at least Polka Dot Man unleashing his fury at the end but they turned it into a quick childish joke death for him and also would have love to seen a better take on rats but it kinda ended without a big spectacle.

Harley didn't even need to be in the movie and wouldn't made a difference if she wasn't.

The one GOTG link i noticed was King shark was pretty much just a silly copy version of Groot but not the cute way he was done just a dumbed down version and all the way through he was suppose to be super tough and pretty much by the end he just another add on character to make the numbers.

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I was so looking forward to at least Polka Dot Man unleashing his fury at the end but they turned it into a quick childish joke death for him and also would have love to seen a better take on rats but it kinda ended without a big spectacle.


Yep, I was desperately waiting for this as well, but it never happened. He just cut off part of the star fish's leg but they acted like it didn't matter. Then they killed him off like it really didn't matter.


Harley didn't even need to be in the movie and wouldn't made a difference if she wasn't.


You're actually 100% right about that. In fact, the runtime that went to her pointless subplot and escape could have been used to flesh out the other characters, the story, or just cut the runtime down and add a better action sequence.



The one GOTG link i noticed was King shark was pretty much just a silly copy version of Groot but not the cute way he was done just a dumbed down version


Also, his damage capacity was inconsistent, and he acted like he was added as a meme character.

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Not much, a LOT better.

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For you maybe for me, for me it wasn't not much at all.

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And that is the joy of having a different opinion

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i never said anyone shouldn't, I'm just putting my view out there.

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Not just for me but for most people, and reviewers.. let’s look at the RT ratings: 29/59 vs 94/89.

I would say that’s a BIG improvement. You can check the IMDb score as well for both movies …

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so i should check what other people think to see if i liked it or not?

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Nope, but you should check that before saying “not much better”. Or at least add “in my opinion” to make it clear that you are not making an absolute statement.

For me (sic!) there is a huge difference between “it’s not better” and “I didn’t like it” … the former tries to be objective …

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seriously are you dense or something?

I don't need to put anything in my thread, normal people can tell its opinion.

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You're a dumbass

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I watched it, haven't watched the 2016 version. This one is one long borefest of scenes that try to be cool/interesting/anything and fail to succeed. The gore was randomly inserted, grotesque and completely out of place. And there's no redeeming sexuality AT ALL.

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Redeeming sexuality? Not sure what that even means.

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In the first Suicide Squad, Harley had some pretty bodacious scenes where she looked hot and provided eye-candy. In this film, we had a weasel wiener on display, a fat guy with his penis hanging out, and another male character whose bare bottom was briefly put on screen after he sleeps with Harley.

Yet other than a blink-and-you-missed it scene where they were exiting the strip club (where surprisingly no women were actually stripping) and one woman was barely topless for half a second, almost all the nudity and sex-appeal was focused on the male characters.

But of course, in today's society, feminists would never allow a significant female character be portrayed on-screen for her sex appeal, but we have to see male butt and dangling testicles all day long in [current year] mainstream movies.

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exactly i agree James gunn was trying to make it over the top cool, over the top gore and really really comedic rather then putting natural comedic events into the script, plus the story was pretty much basic overall.

i wasn't expecting any sexuality as none in any current superhero movie genre, but maybe if you wanted to watch alit more skin and as shots of Margot then they are in the first SS movie.

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I agree, specially when you say it's too long.
I still have 46 minutes to go and I came to see if anybody else found this movie kinda boring and way, way, wayyyyyy too long.

Thanks!

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For such a simple story it didn't need the 135min length, this could been easily done in 90/100 mins. which might made it better with the less over the top filler scenes.

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Movies like this are not elevated in home viewings.

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I really liked Margot Robbie's Harley Quinn in the first Suicide Squad. I found her kind of boring in this one. And her scenes in that Embassy wasn't even that great and felt too long. Her escape scene was visually nice, but also kind of ridiculous.

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The first one was horrible, this one just seems better because of the far too easy comparison, but I agree, it's not.

The fact that people love the gratuitous gore in this movie says a lot about the times we are living in. And it's nothing good.

Yes, the jokes are very juvenile and fall flat every single time. Gunn is a weird one. He hides tender and deep moments (far and in between I must admit) under a thick crust of crudeness. It's like he's afraid to show himself anf that goes to the detriment of his movies (GOTG2 suffered even more from this).

And it was boring too. Also, while admittedly this one was the best adaptation so far (because the others were abysmal), I can't stand Robbie's Harley Quinn. She doesen't possess the quality to make sympathetic an unsimpathetic character. Look at Emily Blunt in Jungle Cruise. Lily is an insufferable character and yet Blunt played her with intelligence and charm, making her tolerable. Robbie just can't, as an actress she lacks this particular skill.

Having said that I probably have outgrown the superhero genre and I admit I'm biased that way.

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I agree, guardians of the galaxy 1 and deadpool 1 were similar - the first movies did the gags, music, and gore for DP in a way that added to the movies enjoyment, but then they tried to replicate that in the sequels and they were notches down because they added those things just to add them to the movies rather then being naturally part of the movie.

Just by putting dick jokes doesn't make it funny, just by cutting loads of heads off with gore doesn't make it better and adding unnecessary music that distracts rather then pulls you into the scene and the annoying one was the regular updates in headline wording - all these things would have been great if they added value to the scene, but in this case they just made them longer and not better for it.

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And it was boring too. Also, while admittedly this one was the best adaptation so far (because the others were abysmal), I can't stand Robbie's Harley Quinn. She doesen't possess the quality to make sympathetic an unsimpathetic character. Look at Emily Blunt in Jungle Cruise. Lily is an insufferable character and yet Blunt played her with intelligence and charm, making her tolerable. Robbie just can't, as an actress she lacks this particular skill.


That's an interesting comparison, and the Lily character was definitely more likeable.

I will say, I think Robbie can do better, but ever since Birds of Prey, they really dumbed down her character. The first Suicide Squad wasn't that great, but I thought her Harley was very different and more enjoyable to watch. She was actually getting a chance to act and express more complex thoughts/feelings, and her lines weren't all quippy airhead one-liners as they were in The Suicide Squad/Birds of Prey. Seems like someone over at WB decided to turn her into a Marilyn Monroe ditz who never says more than 1-2 sentences as a punchline.

Maybe others like Harley being a crazy airhead the whole time, but I find her less interesting to watch when this happens. And I also find it a waste of Margot Robbie's potential.

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Having said that I probably have outgrown the superhero genre and I admit I'm biased that way.


I don't know... you and I seem to have the exact same feelings about this film but I'm still willing to sit through super hero flicks that are at least interesting or entertaining.

I can't say that this film wasn't entertaining to a degree, because it was, but you pointed out everything I felt about this film: it was too long, too gratuitous (without the offset of likable characters to make you care) and too crude to stand up and cheer at the end. I was more-so just glad it was over rather than thinking about anything significant that happened over the course of the film.

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"The fact that people love the gratuitous gore in this movie says a lot about the times we are living in. And it's nothing good."

Just because people enjoy gore in a movie doesn't mean they're becoming sadists and that they'd enjoy seeing it happen to someone in real life. People have a desire to see their perchance for violence released in a fictional setting where they don't have to deal with the empathy of real people getting hurt. This desire has existed well before movies even existed. It isn't some something recent, and it's only a problem if you like to act like right wing grifters who talk a lot but say nothing.

Grab a psychiatry book or take some time off your high horse to actually get to know people, because your comprehension of human nature is literally below kindergarden.

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How dare you give this move 5.75/10????????????????????

It deserves 1/10.

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Well it did have a simple story, CGI was good, good cast, few decent scenes in there and even a few laughs in there, so i give it what i thought it deserved.

overall it was average to me.

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I agreed CGI was good, but "few laughs"? I didn't laugh once.

For comparison, Jungle Cruise is a boring and formulaic movie too, but I laugh few times to the puns.

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not seen jungle cruise yet - but i think this movie actually could been alot better with a few tweaks - normally i don't like too serious tone movies but in this case the movie probably would been better being consistent and kept the serious tone with some minor comedy in there and plus a better villain in the end - with some reduction in runtime.

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I’d have to agree. While the story for the most part flowed better, the humor was somewhat funnier, and the characters worked off each other somewhat better, it still wasn’t that good of a film overall. I didn’t really care about what was going on, Amanda Waller is an even bigger idiot in this movie than the last one when she’s supposed to be intelligent and cunning, and several times I checked my watch because I was bored.
The trailers didn’t impress me in the first place, so I already had low expectations for it.

If many people end up liking this film, then great, I guess. The DCEU need more wins, but has the bar been set so low that The Suicide Squad might be the considered genuinely good by the masses? I know the MCU is showing signs of decline after its 11-year reign and something needs to fill the void, but still, let’s not compromise our standards.

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I agree the bar is so low now that anything that has a coherent story and is just average seems like its a masterpiece now for DC at the moment.

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The trailers didn’t impress me in the first place, so I already had low expectations for it.


Same.


If many people end up liking this film, then great, I guess. The DCEU need more wins, but has the bar been set so low that The Suicide Squad might be the considered genuinely good by the masses? I know the MCU is showing signs of decline after its 11-year reign and something needs to fill the void, but still, let’s not compromise our standards.


Perfectly well said.

I personally feel this film is getting a lot of undue praise, mostly by the hype machine and critics and social media. But it's not that enjoyable a film. It's not something you could sit down, eat some popcorn, and watch to enjoy. It's too comedic to be emotionally invested in the characters, too dark and gory to be view on a Saturday afternoon, and too ill-paced and long to be something you watch when you need to burn an hour and a half of time.

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