SeaOrg under LRH and DM, differences?


I can't remember which episode it was (hubby accidentally deleted the last 3) but on that episode there seemed to be a huge difference in the way LRH ran the SeaOrg and the way DM runs it.

Under LRH: Members could see their non COS family members, get married and transfer out of the SeaOrg, have children and leave without having to escape.

Under DM: None of the above with the exception of getting married. In fact, you are basically forced to get an abortion if you got pregnant and you are locked in for life.

Am I correct in this or did I misinterpret this?

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Go to YouTube and search for 'Hana Whitfield Hubbard' to see that Hubbard was the inventor of Sea Org cruelty. He invented the RPF (Rehabilitation Project Force). He had a 4 or 5 year old locked in the ship's (the Apollo) anchor locker which was dark, wet, cold, and potentially dangerous, because the child disturbed some of his papers while playing. He had people thrown off the side of the ship (while in port), at least a 30' drop, sometimes blindfolded. He was a monster, though like any sociopath could be charming when it suited his purposes.

Hubbard invented disconnection and fair game. According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_and_abortion Hubbard strongly condemned abortion; however, it was still encouraged or required when it suited him, such as when he was at sea on the Apollo and didn't want babies on his ship.

I don't think it has ever been the case that you can't see non-COS family members, as long as the family member doesn't bad mouth Scientology or interfere with your Sea Org duties.

As to transferring out of the Sea Org (but staying a member of the church in good standing), I don't think that has ever been easy.

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Thank you.

I got confused when the woman said she and her husband left the SeaOrg in the early 80's to start a family.

I couldn't imagine being stuck on a a ship/yacht/boat and getting into trouble with a psycho that makes you eat left oververs from a bucket (slop) with your hands.

When she said they are as if they were starving, that brought tears to my eyes.

Then for it to happen to her? I just can't imagine the terror she or any of these people felt.

The pushing people off of the ship onto land blindfolded (a 30 foot drop) I do find hard to believe.
It's not that it happened that I have a hard time believing but the length of the drop.

I was in emergency medicine for 30 years and can tell you one of the first things you are taught is: anything over a 12-15 foot ladder, you will get some type of injury unless you land on soft ground, land "correctly" or just get lucky.

If these people are blindfolded and shoved off into a dry dock, they will NOT know how fast the ground is coming up and will not be able to get into a position to take the brunt of the impact to save their head, neck, back or extremities.

They *may fall in to the lucky category but not all of them.

In other words, there would be quite a few deaths from head injuries, along with paralysis and broken bones.

To put this drop into perspective: 10 feet is approximately 1 story, so 30 feet is approximately 3 stories.

Again, not saying the incidents did not happen but it was more like a drop from 8-16 feet (not any better and just as terrifying) or if it was a 30 foot drop, it was onto a sandbar (again, still terrifying).

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Sorry for the misspellings. I am on my phone and spellcheck didn't catch a few and changed a few.

Plus, for some reason I cannot edit my comment.

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They were tossed into the water, not the ground. Then they would be "rescued".

If you google it you will see what I mean.

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Thank you for putting me straight nyctc7 :)

I must have read that whole section wrong, so I am sorry about that.
No excuse for it except that when I read the response it was 1:30 am my time and I finished reading her story around 2:00-2:30 am (I have a sick cat that I kept having to stop reading and tend to).

I'm going to re read her story again to make sure I didn't misunderstand anything else.

While reading the undercover work done by Ebner, he mentioned her. I did not read her story at the time but in HIS, he stated that the COS accused (and attempted to have her arrested for) of murder. I didn't see her talk about that. Do you you know anything about the COS doing that to her?

Thank you again. 30 feet into water blindfolded is still terrifying and tantamount to torture. I just feel for these people!

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The murder accusation was one that I hadn't heard--so here is a post that I trust that mentions it, but the story will I guess be revealed in her book. http://tonyortega.org/2015/03/22/going-clear-subject-hana-eltringham-whitfield-fills-us-in-on-a-scientology-secret-or-two/

But I wanted to touch on perhaps an aspect of your original post--Was Scientology alright but David Miscavige ruined it?

There was a period when some thought so. An independent movement sprang up sometime in the 1980s, notably by David Mayo, who was considered the foremost authority on auditing but was a threat to Miscavige's rise to power and ousted. The idea was to use Scientology "technology" independently, outside of the confines of the church. This continued into the 1990s and early 2000s and you can imagine Scientology's reaction. But I think it was the exposure on the internet of Scientology in general that caused this movement to mostly, if not completely, fizzle out.

I've heard some ex-scientologists who were not Sea Org or Staff, wax nostalgic about the 1960s and 1970s, when Scientology was "fun". But they don't regret getting out! I think the craziness, the lies, the abuse, and endless badgering for donations got worse under Miscavige, but it took a little while for some to realize that it wasn't just Miscavige, but Hubbard, Scientology, the whole project.

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Thank you for the link :)

I wonder when her book will be out and the name of it. Looked for it on Amazon to order/pre-order it but her name didn't show up.

Being DM's roommate must have been horrible!

I heard that he was just as bad (abuse wise) then as he is now.

There was someone Leah interviewed (the one that reached OT VIII twice) say that she enjoyed it Under LRH but likened going for OT VIII the 2nd time to torture.

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