Minors in Scientology
I kno that children are seen as adults but what if a family leaves and a child say 10 ish wants to stay can this happen?
shareI kno that children are seen as adults but what if a family leaves and a child say 10 ish wants to stay can this happen?
shareIf they are "public" scientologists (i.e. not the Sea Org) then just like any kid, they have to go with their parents.
But parents of minors who are recruited into the Sea Org are pressured to essentially surrender their parental rights by signing certain documents. That would not be a ten-year-old, though. They say on their website that the youngest age for the Sea Org is the age that they can legally be permitted to work. That varies according to country and type of work, but I have no doubt that Scientology plays by its own rules as much as it can get away with. I think generally the youngest they take is high school age.
Leah was in Sea Org at 12 or 13. She said she was in charge of a cleaning crew of a hotel at 13. The kids in sea org don't have to go to school. They work it seemed like 15 hours a day. For like $15 a week. It's scary crazy what abuses they can get away with.
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The woman who was interviewed said that she had two children, one was a Scuentologist and one wasn't. How is that possible? What's the policy of a Public Scientologist (like this woman) and you have children and they decide not to be Scientologists and what about their non Scientologist members (parents, spouce, children, siblings, etc.)
I wish that they had spoken to the other son to get his perspective on what it was like growing up being the Non Scientologist in a family of Scientologists, if the son who has "disconnected" from his parents is allowed to speak to his brother since he was never a Scientologist in the first place, and what it's like for him not being allowed to see or have any communication with his brother.
I thought she meant they were all Scientologists just the one son joined the Sea Org. When they decided to get out Mom, Dad & non Sea Org son split and the Sea Org son stayed and disconnected from them.
The one I would like to know more about was the crazy eyed lady during the Reddit ep. She said her underage son - who they signed over to the Sea Org - was having sex with a 40 year old. WHAT?!
Over the past few years I've read a lot about this cult and viewed many YouTube videos of ex-members telling their stories.
Jeff Hawkins states that his mother never cared for Scientology, but he was able to maintain a relationship with her because they simply didn't discuss it. She knew that if she criticized Scientology, it meant trouble.
So how would Scientology know if your family member is being critical? How would they know about a private discussion between you and, say, your non-Scientologist mother/father/brother/sister?
Ah, the "sec checks". That's when they have you on the e-meter, which acts as a lie detector along with withering questioning. Even public scientologists are subject to these sec checks, once you get to a certain level. And even without a sec check, you will be asked if anyone you know is being critical of your choice to be a Scientologist. You may even innocently disclose such information not realizing the consequences, such as telling someone at the "church", "Wow, my family doesn't get it, they think I'm making a mistake."
These are some very good questions here. Too bad Leah is not still around to answer them.
As far as the family member who does not like Scientology or is not involved, this does not mean this person doesn't know anything about it or hasn't taken a course at sometime. The person may have been a child and have taken a few courses but said then they didn't want to do it anymore. Similar to your child who doesn't want to go to the Baptist Church anymore, you raise them with the rest of your family and involve them in things that don't have withto do with the church.
In regards to the question about how does the church know that your family member does not like Scientology, the church has many ways of checking this out in addition to security checking. Sometimes the parishioner will ask a person in the church, a minister or whatever what they should do about this family member who doesn't understand their love of Scientology. Sometimes family members will contact the church and try to get their family member out. In any case, the church usually find out what is going on in these family situations,( and work situations, romantic relationships) and keep tabs on all those types of connectionsbecause they can cause trouble for the church.
Kids leave families even younger. I read David's nieces book and she was separated from her parents as young as 2 or 3. She saw her parents once a week if even that. At age 5 her and her brother were moved to like a ranch or something. They were worked nonstop. It sounds horrible and she even tried to run away a few times. She even broke a bone and neglected. Families are often kept apart. Even husbands and wives. Your work for the cult is more important than family. Or so they believe.
shareThe leaders of the "church" deliberately keep the families apart (even very young children from their parents/mother) so they can't plan to leave. If one person (as they have shown) wants to leave, they don't have the ability to leave with the rest of their family. Many family members of the person who does leave the "church/cult" will be punished for the member that left. They will even go as far to follow and harass the person that was able to leave, to try to get them to get depressed and paranoid where many have killed (or tried to kill) themselves. The CULT has connections with their reach in many places, sometimes making it impossible for a defector to find gainful employment. They will have people in the cult follow those who have left - like they are paparazzi - and record everything the now free person is doing. The cult then tries to threaten family in and out of the cult, as well as never making the person who left feel safe. It is so horrible.
shareThe scenarios above can happen and have happened but this is mainly in the sea organization which is the highest organization in the church. Members join the Sea Organizations as a family and work for the various sections of this higher organization. This would be similar to the Vatican. Normal parishioners who attend smaller churches in major cities would not have this type of scrutiny or duress. They would not be working for the church but would be merely attending the church, like your family attending the local Methodist Church.
shareHow is this not abuse and illegal? I don't get it. Why is this "church" not being disbarred and brought down and these "leaders" not being arrested??? This is nuts!
shareI know, it's insane. I knew Scientology was ridiculous and Scientologists could be unstable and maybe even dangerous, but I had no idea the extent. These people are not just zealots; they're psychotic.
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I am asking myself the same question,,how the heck do they get away with taking minors into this "labor camp" Do they follow state rules? Do parents legally sign over custody? and if so to whom? All this just seems so illegal and where is our government to protect these children, or at least does the organization have licensing checks, permit checks?
I think it is disgraceful that just because something is a church they do not have to ever abide by the law, especially when it comes to children. Scientology and its forced labor, or the Catholic church with abusive priests who never go to jail, it is abhorrent.
Religions, more than normal people, use manipulation and a kind of social mind control to abuse people, who normally are very vulnerable because they are "looking for something" or are born into it. Churches of all religions are highly dangerous and should be treated as such