Christianity
What's the difference between this and Christianity? Or any other religion for that matter?
shareWhat's the difference between this and Christianity? Or any other religion for that matter?
shareLet's say for the sake of argument there is no difference. So what is your opinion of Scientology?
shareChristianity is based on the teachings of Jesus Christ, who was the Son of God. His teachings are of love and helping others through His etwrnal love and sacrifice.
Scientology is a fictional belief that was created by a science fiction writer, and isbased on brainwashing and bullying. The two are as different as it gets.
Well, the two big things - Christianity worships Jesus Christ - a man who actually lived, performed miracles, and rose from the dead. And before anyone gets it into their head to argue this, don't. You'll make yourself look foolish. There are many atheists who have tried to disprove these facts and can't. It's been proven.
Scientology worships an alien created by a science fiction author who only wanted his creation to become a religion for tax purposes.
And the second - Christians don't force you to study the bible for more and more money per book. They don't have a PR department to spread lies. They don't separate parents from children and demand you disconnect from anyone who doesn't believe in God. They don't send out teams to follow people in dark SUVs and harass them on the streets. And they don't extort every penny they can from you.
I guarantee you, if I walked in to my church on Sunday and announced that I was leaving, I would have people wish me luck on my next step. How do I know? Because I've had friends who have done this and the reaction they got was nothing but supportive. Try that in Scientology and see where it gets you.
It's been proven that Jesus did exist, performed miracles, and was resurrected? Scientifically proven beyond a shadow of a doubt? Wow, I must've missed that memo. Where can I read about this proof?
"Two gin and Frescas"
"Shaken, not ridiculed"
It's been proven that Jesus did exist, performed miracles, and was resurrected? Scientifically proven beyond a shadow of a doubt? Wow, I must've missed that memo. Where can I read about this proof?
My friend, if there were proof the Jesus Christ really existed and truly was the son of god then believing in him wouldn't require any faith. Religion is all about one single thing Faith. You are required to believe it something WITHOUT any proof. It's just something you feel and know inside you. If it could be proven or would that be called faith, it'd be called fact. Now I'm now saying that just because I don't believe in Christ that he isn't real, all I'm saying is its funny how most people look at scientologists as being insane but then turn around and worship their own far fetched thing
shareMy friend, if there were proof the Jesus Christ really existed and truly was the son of god then believing in him wouldn't require any faith.
I'm saying is its funny how most people look at scientologists as being insane but then turn around and worship their own far fetched thing
The people that made it up (IF it is actually made up) gained plenty. Christian morality, whether you believe in it or not, undoubtedly favors the weak by holding back the strong. It gives the weak, poor and unhealthy and seat at the table and a piece of the pie that they otherwise wouldn't be able to get on their own without convincing the strong that their selfish actions are not only bad they're "Evil". There's always something to be gained by inventing rules, morals, ethics and values and trying to push them onto other people and using fear to convince them
shareThere's always something to be gained by inventing rules, morals, ethics and values and trying to push them onto other people and using fear to convince them
So, exactly what did they gain? The got not power. They didn't rule any lands or people. They didn't collect taxes. They didn't dictate policy. They didn't declare war. They didn't become wealthy by selling short on their stocks.
convincing the strong that their selfish actions are not only bad they're "Evil".
They "gained" the ability to manipulate people into behaving the way the want. They lie to people to get them to walk in a nice near little heard. They teach people that there is a universal Right Way, which is incorrect. There is no Right Way, there is only Your Way
shareThey lie to people to get them to walk in a nice near (neat?) little heard.
They teach people that there is a universal Right Way, which is incorrect. There is no Right Way, there is only Your Way
That's not true at all. Republican Christian conservatives constantly push their Christian conservative values, morals and ethics onto people. Democrats have been guilty of it too through the history. That's because this country was founded on Christian values and morals so it's in and around everything in our society. Also Idk where you get the idea that it's "up to you" to follow Christ's ways. They make it very clear that you either obey the rules and regulations of the church at the teachings of Christ or they'll be hell to pay, literally
shareThey make it very clear that you either obey the rules and regulations of the church at the teachings of Christ or they'll be hell to pay, literally
So you're really going to tell me that obedience isn't a core element in all religions, specifically Christianity?
shareYou are trying to make "obedience" the equivalent of being "dominated." That is a incorrect, especially when there are so many different versions of Christianity (and other religions)
Some say prayers are enough, others say prayers AND deeds are what it takes.
Either way, it is between you and God as to how much is enough.
Oh sure, you only have to be obedient if you don't want your soul to burn for all eternity, right? If you don't mind that then you're free to do as you please with this life.....?
shareLike I said, it is between you and God.
I'm sorry you have such hatred in your heart that you are unwilling to have any kind of open mind or understanding of what it is all about. You simply want to spread lies and claim your opinions are the rules.
Exactly. Religion, faith and belief should be a personal thing. That's the problem with all organized religion. It takes a personal idea and tries to make it a universal law
shareSo, exactly what did they gain when they told people to get rid of everything and follow us? What tangible thing did they get from that?
shareAll of us have The Will to Power within us. When the weak can't beat the strong they instead choose to change the game. They hold back the strong willed to keep them on the same mediocre level as the people who are too weak to follow their own will. Religion breeds mediocrity. It not only haults evolution, it sets it in reverse
shareSo nothing tangible was gained then.
Religion breeds mediocrity. It not only haults evolution, it sets it in reverse
Again, helping the weak and holding back the strong could be looked at as going against the natural law of things. All I'm saying is you don't see benevolence in nature or in the universe in general. Teaching people that we're all equal and that everyone should love everyone is nonsense. Non of us would exist today if mother nature had a heart
shareAgain, helping the weak and holding back the strong could be looked at as going against the natural law of things.
All I'm saying is you don't see benevolence in nature or in the universe in general.
Teaching people that we're all equal and that everyone should love everyone is nonsense.
Not a KKK member, I actually voted for Clinton.....Anyway whether you "believe" it or not the idea that we're all created equal is untrue. There are some people who have more ability and drive and ambition and desire than others and what Christianity does is hold them back. Also as far as animals in nature I'm not talking about a dog rescuing it's owner from a river, I'm talking more in a general sense. If everytime a bird wasn't strong enough to fly up to reach a piece of fruit mother nature intervened and helped the bird out evolution wouldn't occur and we wouldn't exist, it's a fact. Mother nature is cruel and malicious. If that same dog that rescued it's owner from the river was stuck in a house with that owner for weeks after the owner died and the dog had no food, the dog would eat the owner, as it should to survive. We're all only as "good" as the situation allows us to be
shareNot a KKK member, I actually voted for Clinton
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It's been proven? I'm afraid to tell you that there's absolutely no proof of the existence of ANY god. You're just as brainwashed as the people in Scientology
shareOr any other religion for that matter?
If you look at conventional religions, they have a supernatural being that is worshiped- one definition of religion I read said it involved a supernatural being. Christians have God, Muslims have Allah, Buddhists have Buddha, Hindus have several deities. The Greeks and Romans had several gods. $cientology involves man as god, which is contrary to most historical worship.
Most definitely. In Scientology, the concept of God is expressed as the Eighth Dynamic—the urge toward existence as infinity. This is also identified as the Supreme Being. As the Eighth Dynamic, the Scientology concept of God rests at the very apex of universal survival. As L. Ron Hubbard wrote in Science of Survival:
“No culture in the history of the world, save the thoroughly depraved and expiring ones, has failed to affirm the existence of a Supreme Being. It is an empirical observation that men without a strong and lasting faith in a Supreme Being are less capable, less ethical and less valuable to themselves and society....A man without an abiding faith is, by observation alone, more of a thing than a man.”
Unlike religions with Judeo-Christian origins, the Church of Scientology has no set dogma concerning God that it imposes on its members. As with all its tenets, Scientology does not ask individuals to accept anything on faith alone. Rather, as one’s level of spiritual awareness increases through participation in Scientology auditing and training, one attains his own certainty of every dynamic. Accordingly, only when the Seventh Dynamic (spiritual) is reached in its entirety will one discover and come to a full understanding of the Eighth Dynamic (infinity) and one’s relationship to the Supreme Being.
What an absolutely stupid question. You are watching the show, right. Otherwise why would you come here to comment? You know the differences already you are just trolling!
shareWhile Christianity does encourage the members to give a tithe to the church (usually 10% of their income if they can) or a mission, they don't force it nor do they keep track and pester you to. They don't force you to pay to play in other words. They wont kick you out if you refuse to donate, they wont encourage or force you to disconnect with your family if they leave the church nor will they force your family to disconnect from you if you leave, most will say their door is open for when you want to come back. They are also very open, at least the churches I've been to, to open discussion, debate and criticism about the bible. That's what a lot of Bible studies are, to discuss what you and others think certain passages mean and how it can be used in your life. Yes there's a huge business involved, yes there's a lot of books, classes and other things you can get to help further your education or faith but it's not required. They wont turn someone away for lack of money, they are probably much more involved in actually helping the poor than Scientology. I can think of quite a few Christian and Catholic charities that do locally but never heard of a Scientology one. Another huge difference is that Scientology seems to have a very relaxed and accepting view of divorce and abortion. Christians openly oppose abortion and while they don't condemn someone for getting a divorce it's not something that's openly supported unless it's extreme like abuse. If I had to sum it up I'd say a Christians main goal is to serve God, a Scientologist main goal is to serve the church.
shareRight, but both are all about believing in something that can't be proven. That's my point. People like to look at scientology and other ideologies like their insane yet they all turn around a worship a cross with a possibly fictitious man on it...
shareI don't know enough about Scientology to state the difference between it and my religion. I can see how someone without faith would look at others and question the validity. My being a Christian doesn't hurt you or others so I should be free to believe what I believe. I think Scientologists should be allowed to believe what they believe.
To me this isn't about the religion - its about people being taken advantage of. People being held against their will and abused is wrong for any group.
People want to hand over all their money or - if they're an adult - sign over their life to a religion who are we to say they can't?
Well I mean I'm not attacking faith in general, because faith is a personal thing and who am I try and disprove a feeling (which you can't) My whole point is that everyone watching this show is just amazed at all the atrocities done by the church of scientology but then these sane people are probably wearing crosses around their necks...
shareScientology, however, was flat out admitted as being created by a science fiction author with the intent of avoiding paying taxes. If you believe what was said in this show, the founder died before he had it all made up so the guy after him had to make it up on his own. Unless you are one of the uber-wealthy celebrities, you have to give it all up to the church, you are restricted as to what you can do, say, learn, talk to and are not free to leave.
In addition, don't they claim that Xenu is here on earth? If so, and if he really wants people to reach a higher level, then he should be willing to show himself. I mean, I get the faith point, but a god who only reveals himself to a few thousand people out of 7 billion people isn't a god who is worthy of being loved.
I know it took hundreds of years for Christ's message to be spread across the globe, but that was before most people could read, the printing press, radio, movies, TV, internet....
I think Scientologists should be allowed to believe what they believe.
People want to hand over all their money or - if they're an adult - sign over their life to a religion who are we to say they can't?
Truth and Belief have absolutely NOTHING to do with each other...and btw who's to say the original author(s) of the Bible weren't just science fiction writers of their time?
shareTruth and Belief have absolutely NOTHING to do with each other
and btw who's to say the original author(s) of the Bible weren't just science fiction writers of their time?
Christianity is a religion based on Catholocism with a holy text called The Bible that was designed to be initially confusing.
For example holy texts are often confusing but on certain aspects a clear message is easily conveyed. For example "think with a pure heart". Some things in the second part that Jesus said in a time and place for a specific reason may make even that thought initially confusing.
So because it's confusing extra compared to most religions (because they would be confusing too, but then you stumble on gold) there is a lot of information to be conveyed by the Catholic Church to explain why Jesus said that from a particular saint that beared certain weight and the thoughts and information that was conveyed on this saint can be checked by many people studying the information.
So there is an entry point through a saint for example that is dead and presumed to be good or a hero, something like that, to explain.
If someone was a child molester, they would be slowed down and drawn away from it by giving them all that information but at least you can get away from a specific person.
In a Protestant church anyone can go up there and say anything but the guy that wants it most is the child molester, so he's more likely to have an even bigger influence on the collective mind... if he was involved in a Catholic church though, he would still have to spend all this time learning all this stuff that gets checked against many others, and at least that would slow him down for what could be prevented given the initial belief system... Better trade.... someone could win at least individually.
But that's just fluff. The defining aspect is that Christianity like Islam has the Old Testament in front of it. It is a ten commandments based faith.
It is based on the teachings of a Masonic Jew, a Jewish guy that thought of himself as a servant of the god of the Jews, an Egyptian Warlord, that could rise through a single jew at any time... A lot of Jews were slaves in Egyptian times but since their god was the other guy's god of war, the other guy knew they could still get from the slaves if their lord of war was to rise through the slaves.... so that was the flavor of this Jewish East African slavery system.
Jesus was a masonic Jew. There is a god to the jews within me that exists across the universe, he would be in me too, but not my god, more of him in the North Star for example, more of him in Palestine for example, and the Jews had complicated practices of worship.
Jesus believed that the easiest way to reach real jew status was the 10 commandments. The ten commandments is a system of ten things to uphold and if you break one then try to save the other... so someone born gay that engages in homosexuality, or the thoughts of homosexuality, now he has a sin that gives him a power to uphold something else.
Since it is so easy peasy to gain understanding and worship the egyptian warlord that I can say but won't cuz I'm not trying to turn people away from Islam, Judaism, and Catholicism (only Protestantism so I could say his name, but I'm not sure it's the best political play to get my way attacking only Protestantism... Since I can say his name now he has someone that can convey his greatness and only NOW can he have glory... So I don't feel bad not making him my God.
Because people have to not make him God to sing praises of his name and glorify him, so I feel safe not making him my god but now out of respect he can't be my personal God.
10 commandments since there is so much to run to is the easiest way of worship.
Now someone that worships this deity could worship any deity as a god, L Ron. But then they are only worshipping the real god within L ron, the Egyptian warlord, and you know what, I changed my mind. I will say his name because I already declared my intentions and why I can say it, Jehova.
But then they only REALLY believe that that specific Egyptian Warlord within L Ron is God.
L Ron is god of many but on earth he was primarily trying to be God of people and fish. He is a space traveler as a deity but he figured out that the nicest way that people can be to fish is to check the prayer. His defining characteristic as a God is that he checks the prayer of what the worshipper is praying for against the worshipper's internal standard, to make sure that worshipper is praying for the right thing. He gives warning but he would even attack the worshipper before he helped in a harmful way, at least relatively. Since no God was around that checks the prayer, the mind programming the first thing, among other things he tried to do, he tried to create a God that checks a prayer.
So there are many shades of this L Ron as a space traveler. He could be a cheat. He could be a charleton. He could be within the ten commandments. As a space traveler he only explores the agreed to spaces as a deity but that means there are many ranges of the man.
You try to pass a lie detector test. He has a lot of external force which means he was quite sickly. He took a bunch of schizo pills to have super anxiety but if the E Meter according to Leah is a lie detector, he turned it around, and that poisonous medication was giving him a way to pass a lie detector in a way that has emotional control.
There's a controversy regarding what he may have done in his lifetime but since he is a god of ranges, the question would be is he trying to uphold something good? What was the eternal effect? The question is since he checks the prayer regardless of whatever he did to uphold good values, is that a more important eternal effect as a deity?
Scientology as a church appears to be highly organized and not freely taught because they can only teach a few people relative to the desirable capacity. So self learning from books and stuff like this over time of L Ron is one thing, but the church has standard organized religion issue (systematically there may be reasonings to limit corruption but it's still a lot of people) but because of the limited relative capacity it's probably going to cost a fortune, time and/or money, to get more hands on with it in modern times.
By books, learning with others, I guess there's a way to do it, but officially, time or money, because of the limited relative capacity, it's going to cost a fortune.
I might be wrong about some stuff but I'm pretty sure this is fairly accurate, except for minor things that might not be precise on the button.
Now beyond this, I personally believe he had an idea that you can't make Noah's Ark because then it would be twisted but it's an idea that by working on relationships between humans and fish on earth, he does most to help the earth.
So he came up with this revolutionary idea to audit the prayer as a deity, and we worship today and for all times on earth beings from other dimensions or places or imbued in the nature of creation, and none of these creatures that we currently worship audit the prayer.
I don't know if he ever found of a dead deity that tried to do this, audit the prayer, and he became an avatar, or a human representation for it, but if he ever did it, he would become that... but did that deity reach earth before this?
But that was his idea and that is why he's roaming the galaxy for God.... but whatever fact or fiction was before a certain point, I tried to keep it relatively factual but a little imprecise to not get carried away... but that's my personal thought, how he in an immortal state is trying to get a following... go to planets, and try to work on relationships between the two prevailing species that he deems is the most good to save that planet... and maybe he is worshiped in other parts of the galaxy or other dimensions for this revolutionary idea that in modern times has not been reached by humanity at large (audit the prayer) by a deity. And working on relations between the two species that improving relations will improve that planet is how he's trying to gain a universal/multi-dimensional following.
Public service announcement.
Just keep in mind that I am neither a Christian or a Scientologist so this post will be off in small ways but might give a seeker knowledge to ask the source the right questions.
I'm a Hindu and like I said ten commandments is not my system but this is important.
I looked up the ten commandments earlier on my cell phone and homosexuality is technically not even one of the sins. It's technically falling under adultery.
Now if I was going to justify it, I could easily justify it with the same logic. If someone committed adultery through homosexuality but that kept them off the opposite sex and it cut down, then they could still be trying to uphold the ten commandments. If someone is committing homosexuality to sleep with more people of the opposite sex then they are not upholding the ten commandments.
If someone committed adultery but tried to cut back by their desires by paying a fortune, so they would be less capable of committing it in the future, they are trying to uphold the ten commandments.
The ten commandments are a system of worship for an entity or presence that exists within many.
The prophet Mohammed put it before his own testament, but he was recording information for this entity, and as a servant of this entity, he may have made up rules like a man can marry more than one woman, but it would barely happen and arguably cut down a lot on adultery.
But he tried to come up with a 'next god' that would not be as good as the god he chose, but if someone saw that as the real god, then it would be no big deal.
The Jesus story in Christianity is designed to PROVE the point that ten commandments are designed to be used loosely, just do what you can to hold onto it... if you break one try to save another, so that a PARTICULAR GOD may rise.
This God cannot be pictured because he exists in everything.
So if someone was committing 'false worship' of Jesus, he could realize that the real God exists within him.
There may be a day of rest but it's a different day.
The Jesus story is not like Mohammed's account. It pressurizes interpretation of the ten commandments, and trying to make semblance of it.
I think people have a hard time understanding it because they want god to be all inclusive. But if we are supposed to serve the collective, we have to be discretionary in evoking what serves the most good.
This god is a jealous god and gave an account to the Jewish people to whom he was the ONLY god, and if they started picturing this god, in a sense, as the record keepers, being the body of this god, and I believe (could be wrong) Mohammed at some time stated that everything he saw and witnessed, for that to be true, for their to be a connection, that means his god in some form reached new places.... by his account.
But to picture this god and not remember he exists within due to the nature of worship could lead to a huge ego... to say his praises too highly and be a follower, it could cause issues.
To try to make the ten commandments so strict and throw them out when they are not strictly adhered to would limit the scope for a certain god to reach the outside...
So the Jesus story, as preposterous as it is, how close he could be to being a false god, how close it could be to all being a lie, and how strongly he may be championing the ten commandments when analyzed in that mode, after all that, it pretty strongly implies just do what you can to hold on, and that may be one of the best forms of worship for the entity to rise.
When we think about how many people could be openly breaking this commandments, but by logical tricks are not, and why, it implies that we should be taking these commandments with us (if we are followers of this entity).
Now I am not a follower of this entity and that's why I can sing his praises and I have no doubts that that is OK because if not, he would be lonely.
So anyway, I think if you read these posts, it'll give big picture answers but be more discerning about zoning in.
For example I've heard that Scientology is a 'fishy' religion but if there was even a Scientologist to talk to and ask questions and let us know, then it would be better for them to elaborate on it.
But anyway about the ten commandments, and my implication that the system is meant to be held onto and understood, but don't limit the scope because that's going to be too limiting and it's the easiest way to make the body suitable for worship of this entity, it's not going to be wrong in a big way but fill in the details elsewhere.
I think the main confusing issue is that too many people want this god or deity to be all inclusive but he is not and that would be harmful when harmful things would have gotten included....
But the moral is if you want the ten commandments to protect you, it's OK to be creative trying to understand them MORE BETTER WITH TIME, and even understand them as they are being broken, etc. because that's the only way you're going to make sense of it after hearing the account of Jesus.... at the end of the day it pressurizes a loose interpretation as acceptable for that entity to have a path to gaining power and control to help the collective.
Now my assumption is that at the time many scoffed at the idea and Jesus championed for its reasonability compared to stuff like 'say your prayers', why couldn't it evoke the spirit of his god? But because of what I presume his intentions to be, and his specific concerns that may not bear weight to others, etc., if someone tried to make him god by another system, it would be strange, and even compared to his own ten commandments system there is a mystery to presuming this specific man God.
Hubbard is thinking along the normal lines about being a god and when people do this and get big, they are generally trying to help others in bigger ways.
Also being from a different religion, some parts are confusing and some are not, I guess thinking back the place where we get the best idea of how this god works (who would be more of a halfer anyway, he would rather have half than it all or something like that) the ten commandments are one of the best places to get an idea of what kind of God this deity is, and what he is going for.
And if anyone doubts his goodness, they can weigh evoking these principles ideally at all times, or making the attempt to evoke the spirit of this deity, there's a way people would know that over many devotees, we're talking presumably about half the world's population but the Protestants are liars about being liars about being jews too frequently, and to those that are not Protestant, this is the worst lie of all, but they are really proud of it cuz no one told them and that is their system, make sure no one can tell people stuff or else people will find out they are Jews through the ten commandments....
but anyway, in strictly logical terms, it would make it easy to evoke this entity's spirit, give mind to how this entity functions and what it is and why it may rise through another that didn't evoke, but the evoker is trying to evoke it, so it can't be pictured, and compared to prayer, it creates less waste for this entity to funnel through to give a better answer...
It sounds ridiculous but keep in mind that it is to evoke the entity of a certain spirit, that you know what, exists within L Ron too, but as a space traveler he would prefer then that someone just concentrated on that version upholding all 10 commandments best at all times, then just go to that range....
But the nature of the ten commandments means there could be Jews everywhere, even at other Eastern religion temples, conveying false worship. It bothers the Protestants but their lack of understanding before pushing all that stuff out bothers the rest of humanity including Atheists as well.
Because honestly, what about Atheists? If they could just get one particular religious group to up their game, wouldn't Protestants getting smarter do the most best for the rest of us?
And Atheists, before you say Satanism, keep in mind that Satan is connected to many religions and some of them or Islamic or Judaic but not me as a Hindu (we would have different names for equivilants of many forms of Satan) and there are several churches of Satanism for the various forms of Satan, but before you say Satan which could refer to various thought forms, I will suggest that Protestants are also the worst Satanists because they don't want us to know stuff and I'm pissed off at all the stuff I don't know as a Hindu because of too many Protestants around.
In large numbers they may be so insensible that they fight to make Satan go away completely which would mean that their religion would go away but then they fight to make their religion more which is paradoxical...
Atheists, before you make up your mind, that is why they are the most dumb... they protest knowledge as a unit and throw us all of. If you couldn't eliminate every religion but had to win sway and work which others, which one would you want to go away? One that the entire theology could technically make it go away in minutes and the longer you keep it up the easier it is to accept that even something that simple is better than being dumb, and then automatically they could at least technically reject it within but they are protesting that.
Just admit that if you had to team up with others they would be the best ones to go away completely because they high jacked a religious book from Catholics to make it extra molestery with less knowledge, because they don't like that if you're trying to control a child molester, it wouldn't be a bad idea to get the church to try and control him at a young age. Stuff like that, so then they just help molesters out as a unit trying to keep information away from us as a team.
It would do the most good to help us inform them because that would be enough to make them go away if they could learn.
With Catholicism there is control so it's not the end of the world... someone might tap into something else or have a means to leave with time if it really was not for them... but Protestantism I would never get there as a Hindu in a Protestant society but I bet my parents know because they are from a good part of the world where they wouldn't really exist in large numbers because then they would be Catholic and it wouldn't be them now or if there was, at least there would be a target to talk to and work out differences with to contain the damage.
Jesus Christ that was a long post lol
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